The Terrorist Geology of Impact

[HysteryDiagnosis]

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=8p6ud5jc&keywords=olympus%20mons#dest

"I don't like the 'terrorist geology of impact', which is not the same thing as saying that no impacts have ever occurred."
—V. Axel Firsoff.



The pictures of Victoria crater expose the feebleness of the official "explanation." The crater "has a distinctive scalloped shape to its rim, caused by erosion and downhill movement of crater wall material." The crater actually looks quite fresh, with very little debris and no sign of the large heaps of rubble to be expected at the bases of the large scallops. If the rubble has been covered by wind blown sand, we have two problems. First, there is practically no air on Mars to shift sand grains. And second, there is a radial pattern on the floor of the crater that is inexplicable by wind-blown dust or sand.

So what does that make of the floor of the crater "occupied by a striking field of sand dunes?" They look like no field of dunes on Earth. Dunes have a difference of slope across their ridges. And to form "network dunes" requires episodes of winds blowing steadily from different directions. They resemble instead shallow intersecting bowl-shaped depressions.

[MineralMan]

1. A rather weak argument on his part.

Especially the sand dunes part. We have no sand dunes inside a crater here on Earth. Mars does have winds, and dust storms are commonplace there. The wind swirling around in a crater will not produce the same sand dune structures as the winds do here on Earth.

This bizarre "electrical" theory seems to me to be little more than speculative thinking, since there are simple explanations for the appearance of Victoria Crater. Occam's Razor applies, unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Such evidence does not exist here.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Point taken.... the scallops intrigue me and the photos of the

edge... you have to ask yourself what would be happening here if those "magnetic ropes" weren't deflected by our atmosphere/magnetic field. Then there's this:





Victoria crater appears to be a short-duration anode scar, or "spark" crater, where melting is insignificant. In laboratory experiments it is found that the anode spark scar on a "contaminated" surface develops many arc "spots" at the center of a roughly circular scar. In a very short time the central arc spots move out to form a ring. The spots enlarge and join into a ring. For a time the entire arc current passes through the annular ring. If it were to continue, melting would occur, obliterating the fine scalloped structure of the crater wall. In experiments there may be a hundred or more spots.

I would suggest that the "sand dunes" are the result of the central arc spots, forming overlapping circular depressions (see diagram above). Certainly, the orthogonal ridges have more in common with a corona discharge pattern than they do with sand dunes. They may therefore be solid, glassified sand, rather like that found in dry soil following a lightning strike. Such glassified sand is known as a "fulgurite." It is noteworthy that the Apollo astronauts found clumps of glass-crusted soil near the centers of small (1 to 5 foot) craters on the lunar surface. It raised a stir because the glass was a surprise. In addition, orthogonal lineaments in the lunar soil were reported. They cannot have been there for long.

The blast effect of the cosmic "spark" together with the electrical stripping of ionized surface matter, produced the clean crater and surrounds. The sudden outward movement of the arc spots may have formed the radial pattern on the crater floor. The scalloped crater wall is simply the erosion signature of the irregular ring of enlarged anode spots.

The dark material on the crater floor may be from an exposed strata and/or the arc may have modified the lighter material. It may be rich in Martian hematite "blueberries." The somewhat curved dark streaks beyond the crater wall are to be expected from an electric discharge because of the rotating winds it generates.

I wish the Mars Rover, Opportunity, every success in exploring Victoria crater. It may at last be able to provide confirmation of the electrical model of planetary cratering. Of course, that does not guarantee acceptance by planetary scientists. That requires giving up strong beliefs imbibed with mother's milk.

[MineralMan]

2. Here. Look at this aerial photo of the dunes of the Nebraska Sand Hills.

You'll notice a similar cellular appearance, so the author is incorrect in his statement that such dunes don't occur on Earth:

[ProdigalJunkMail]

4. Hollow Science is more like it...

good lord. do you just gravitate (and yes, i chose that word on purpose just for you) to these crackpot ideas? no air on Mars to shift sand grains??? HAHAHAHAHA...

sP

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Yes I gravitate on crackpot ideas, now that we've gotten past

that is there anything you would like to discuss? Dark energy? Dark matter? Redshift anomalies? There is a list but then I'm sure you already knew that.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

8. when you post something with scientific merit...maybe

but this stuff is flat-earth-men-never-walked-on-the-moon-the-sun-is-the-center-of-the-universe stuff...

sP

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. Tell me about the air on Mars again and tell me how the dust

devils are driven by updrafts, I like that story.

http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=164.0
How to ignore what you can see

Martian Dust Devils are amazingly electrical. Look at any image of the base of Mars Dust Devils and you will see blinding white flashing light like an arc welder gives off when it is discharging.



Martian Dust Devils also leave a black burnt trail after them, like the ground has been burnt or transformed. In the image below the swirling black marks are created by Dust Devils. But in this image you can also see very puzzling black streak marks going up or down the sides of the sand dunes.


http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14063

NASA and university researchers discovered dust devils on Earth have unexpectedly large electric fields, in excess of 4,000 volts per meter, and can generate magnetic fields as well. Like detectives chasing down a suspect, the scientists attached instruments to a truck and raced across deserts in Nevada (2000) and Arizona (2001). They drove through dust devils to get measurements as part of the Martian Atmosphere and Dust in the Optical and Radio (MATADOR) activity. The Arizona observations included a fixed base camp with a full suite of meteorological instruments.

Dust devils are like miniature tornadoes. They are about 10- to-100 meters wide with 20-to- 60 mph (32-to-96 kph) winds swirling around a hot column of rising air. "Dust devils are common on Mars, and NASA is interested in them as well as other phenomena as a possible nuisance or hazard to future human explorers," said Dr. William Farrell of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) in Greenbelt, Md.

"If martian dust devils are highly electrified, as our research suggests, they might give rise to increased discharging or arcing in the low-pressure martian atmosphere, increased dust adhesion to space suits and equipment, and interference with radio communications," Farrell said. He is the lead author of the paper about this research published today in the Journal of Geophysical Research. "Complex tracks, generated by the large martian dust devils, are commonly found in many regions of Mars, and several dust devils have been photographed in the act of scouring the surface," said MATADOR Principal Investigator Dr. Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson, Ariz.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. Nope, no air on Mars, now go do your homework.

January 31, 2001 -- If it were possible to magically transport a cup of water from Earth to the surface of Mars, the liquid would instantly vaporize. Mars's atmosphere is so vacuous (it's less than 1% as dense as Earth's) that liquid water simply can't exist for very long on the Red Planet.
That's a puzzle to planetary scientists, because Mars's surface is littered with signs of liquid water. Dried up valley networks, sedimentary deposits, and chaotic flood plains hint that billions of years ago Martian water flowed freely and that the atmosphere there must have been substantially thicker than it is now. But where did it all that Martian air go?
New evidence from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft supports a long-held suspicion that much of the Red Planet's atmosphere was simply blown away -- by the solar wind.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

11. yeah...those sandstorms exist in a vacuum and there is NO

atmosphere on mars...right.

sP

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. If one percent of our atmosphere works for you then run with

it.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

13. as will anyone with any scientific training or knowlegdge

of the Martian atmosphere...

your readings and postings of their content are at best a joke...

bye bye flat-earther...

sP

For those who MIGHT be believing the posted bullshit :

Martian Atmospheric Composition
Carbon dioxide 95.32%
Nitrogen 2.7%
Argon 1.6%
Oxygen 0.13%
Carbon monoxide 0.07%
Water vapor 0.03%
Nitric oxide 0.013%

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. One percent of our atmospheric density. Now look at this picture

and you will see a "dust devil" travelling over solid rock... see any tracks? These rilles are supposed to be "sand" and other eroded materials, that is what the accepted theory states.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. I got a rec btw.. and here is the one percent thingy. Now go stand

in the corner.


http://www.universetoday.com/14872/air-on-mars/
There's very little of it, and you wouldn't want to breathe it anyway.Compared to Earth, the atmosphere on Mars barely exists. The average air pressure on the surface of Mars is about 600 pascals (0.6 kilopascals). That sounds like a big number, but it's actually less than 1% the atmospheric density of Earth. So there's very little air pressure.

[Occulus]

16. I took your precious rec away for your "no atmosphere" comment

and your thinly-veiled allusions to the crackpot "electric universe" theory unsupported speculation.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. Damn you. What am I gonna tell the kids?? n/t

[ProdigalJunkMail]

17. and yet you act as if this could not support sandstorms

and dust devils...

i will gladly come here and bow to your incredible intelligence when any of this shit about martian dust storms you are posting is true. they exist in a thin atmosphere...where there is measurable wind...and visible movement of dust carried by those winds. your bizarre suggestion that they are somehow electrical in their creation is a complete fallacy. electricity in sandstorms and dust devils? you bet...driven by particles moving against each other and creating static. but electricity is not the genesis of these storms...wind is.

woo-woo at best... ( a joke would be funny... this is just sad)

sP

[HysteryDiagnosis]

19. I see, the wind makes the lectric.... roight. 'Splain this to me if

you will.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/071107dustbraids.htm

"Ponytails" of dust stuck on the wall of Melas Chasma. Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

>>The larger braids appear to have been "parted" and then twisted like thick locks of hair. They then fall away into thinner and thinner strands until they become branching terminations like lightning bolts. The lightning bolt channels - Lichtenberg figures - merge into the black ripples of stone further down and away from the braids. The Lichtenberg figures are the key to how these braided ropes of iron oxide were formed: they are the trackways of electric discharges that gathered the dust and stones into alignment with their magnetic fields and glassified them permanently into place on the wall of the chasm.

Scientists have been calling the ripples that form below the fingers of the Lichtenberg figures "dunes" and see their formation on Mars to be much the same as on Earth. Mountains wear down into sands that are then blown around by winds until they accumulate into deposits that bear distinctive characteristics. One of the biggest problems with the "dune" theory in this case is that the bottom of Melas Chasma is solid rock - the black ripples are not sand deposits at all.

There is a "dust devil" blowing through Melas Chasma in the large MOC image. The mushroom-shaped, glowing top is well contrasted with the dark background, so we can say for certain that it is what NASA scientists have called a "dust devil" and not a cloud of some kind. Also, its shadow is visible to the left of the glowing puff. If this is a rapidly rotating windstorm, hundreds of meters high, traveling through a field of dunes made up of sand and dust, then why is it leaving no track as it goes? There is no trace of its path visible anywhere. The explanation must be that the "dunes" are not sand and dust and the "dust devil" is not a whirling wind, but is an ion storm - a rotating electrical vortex. If electricity is considered a viable option for explaining the features on Mars rather than wind and water, then more sense will be made of the "mysteries" that defy convention.<<

[lunatica]

6. Mars has huge planetwide sandstorms doesn't it?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Yes it does, but what causes them should be the question don't

you think??

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast31jan_1/

January 31, 2001 -- If it were possible to magically transport a cup of water from Earth to the surface of Mars, the liquid would instantly vaporize. Mars's atmosphere is so vacuous (it's less than 1% as dense as Earth's) that liquid water simply can't exist for very long on the Red Planet.
That's a puzzle to planetary scientists, because Mars's surface is littered with signs of liquid water. Dried up valley networks, sedimentary deposits, and chaotic flood plains hint that billions of years ago Martian water flowed freely and that the atmosphere there must have been substantially thicker than it is now. But where did it all that Martian air go?
New evidence from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft supports a long-held suspicion that much of the Red Planet's atmosphere was simply blown away -- by the solar wind.

[Posteritatis]

20. So we add to denial of fusion the denial of meteors and the claim that Mars has no atmosphere.

Awesome!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

21. Locking.

[Posteritatis]

25. Locking what, exactly? (nt)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

You know.... locking. n/t

[HysteryDiagnosis]

30. Dupe dupe.

[Odin2005]

22. LOLOLOLOL!!!

Learn some atmospheric physics before you post such nonsense. Mars' thin atmosphere is perfectly capable of sustaining sandstorms. That's because they are not "sand" storms, technically, but DUSTstorms, the particles are extremely fine, which is why they can be suspended in the thin atmosphere.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

23. Ehhhhhh so what. Air on mars capable of sustaining a dust storm

is not even one percent of issue here. If you want to focus on it play through... meanwhile all the really cool stuff goes right over your head.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

24. Locking Again.

[Confusious]

26. Crackpot website. Crackpot speculation.

and everyone wonders why the United States is falling behind in math and science.

Believers in crackpot effluent.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. It's because I go to sleep every night with a picture of Benoit Mandelbrot taped to my head.

Voila. Fractal shapes in nature, everywhere you look.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Bump

[ProdigalJunkMail]

29. because it is just too 'woo-woo' to let die naturally... n/t

[HysteryDiagnosis]

31. ...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. bump

[HysteryDiagnosis]

33. I thought sex threads were banned. n/t