Taliban publicly flog, then executes a pregnant woman in Afghanistan

[cynatnite]

HERAT, Afghanistan — The Taliban publicly flogged and then executed a pregnant Afghan widow by firing three shots into her head for alleged adultery, police said on Monday.

Bibi Sanubar, 35, was kept in captivity for three days before she was shot dead in a public trial on Sunday by a local Taliban commander in the Qadis district of the rural western province Badghis.

The Taliban accused Sanubar of having an "illicit affair" that left her pregnant. She was first punished with 200 lashes in public before being shot, deputy provincial police chief Ghulam Mohammad Sayeedi told AFP.

"She was shot in the head in public while she was still pregnant," Sayeedi said.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0809/taliban-publicly-flog-execute-pregnant-woman-afghanistan/

[proteus_lives]

1. Another day in Afghanistan. The happiest place on earth.

Man, I wish we could air-lift every woman out of there and into the 21th century.

[Sherman A1]

2. +1000

[Blue Owl]

3. We've been there 9 years and this shit is still going on

Our presence there will not stop this violence.

[cliffordu]

4. I can't wait till we leave and they can start killing women

in the sports stadium again.

man that rawked.

:headbang:


And for the stupider out there:

:sarcasm:

[GSLevel9]

5. of course... it's gone on for hundreds of years

and will continue for hundreds more. They're barbarians and the presence of US cannon-fodder, errr.... I mean soldiers won't do much to stop it.

[cynatnite]

8. Yeah, you're right...killing women is not a big deal. n/t

[GSLevel9]

20. of COURSE it's a big deal...

but what do you propose? Possibly killing every Afghan who mistreats a woman, erasing their religion and culture and putting them in re-education camps?

hmmm... I never thought of that.

[cynatnite]

25. Are you fucking serious?

This isn't mistreating women either. This is the torture and murder of a woman. I do what a lot of people here do...post news and information.

Don't you have any sensibilities about what happened to this woman? Doesn't that bother you that the Taliban tortures and murders women?

I am honestly shocked at the lack of caring and nonchalance about this. Gay men being oppressed here in the US gets more outrage than the torture and murder of woman.

[GSLevel9]

27. seriously...

let's pry the sarcasm and frustration out of our posts.

Yes, I'm disgusted by this headline. Yes, I'm disgusted by the teenager who had her nose and ears cut off and is now in a SoCal hospital. Yes, that particular cesspool and the handful of OTHER cesspools in that part of the world disgusts me.

However... we CAN'T stop it. Period, end of story. You have a billion people who share a different moral view of life, in contrast to ours. Some are extremists, not allowing their women to drive, leave the house without escort, covering their face... to the others who believe in honor killing, female mutilation, stoning and such... and the far side of them who are murderous vicious thugs.

Honestly... the ONLY way to change these things would be to forcibly change them. And guess what? That would cost trillions of $$ and millions of lives. AND be morally wrong.

So tell me... WHAT can be done to change this culture?

[4lbs]

35. So, you're labeling all Muslims by the actions of less than 1% of the group?

So, is it OK if I state that the actions of the KKK and Aryan Brotherhood are representative of all Christians?

Is it OK if I state that the molestation of young boys by a few hundred Catholic priests means that all of Catholicism and all Catholics are vile?

[GSLevel9]

38. unfair comparisons...

there are maybe 5000 KKK members today out of 330million people, a hundred priests out of tens of thousands...

Many would argue that the core values of a certain minority of Muslims (10%?) represent this kinda' stuff...

Go to Pakistan, go to Afghanistan, to Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc... and take a poll on how many feel this sorta' punishment is appropriate. I think the polling results would be horrific.

I'm 100% sure you're aware of Sharia law?

[cynatnite]

40. And there are A LOT of interpretations of sharia law...

It varies from country to country and person to person.

[oldhippie]

81. That would seem to make it kinda bad "law"

.... if the interpretation varies from person to person.

[Turborama]

76. I don't need to go to those places to find out, I live in the world's largest population of Muslims

I am an expat in Indonesia, population around 230,000,000.

In 5 years I have never met any Muslims who "feel this sorta' punishment is appropriate", not one. In fact, every single Muslim I have ever discussed the Taliban with are absolutely disgusted by the Taliban's behavior.

[roguevalley]

52. actually, he said only some were extremists who do this.

[4lbs]

57. He also said that all billion or so Muslims "shared the same moral view of life". That means he's

lumping all Muslims with the Taliban.

So, how is that different than lumping all Christians in with what the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood does? Are all Christians racists?

How is it different than lumping all Catholics and labeling them as child molesters because of the actions of a couple hundred priests?

[Rebubula]

68. Actually...

...he or she was very clear.

"You have a billion people who share a different moral view of life, in contrast to ours. Some are extremists, not allowing their women to drive, leave the house without escort, covering their face..."

Seems pretty dead on to me...


You are just arguing and digging a hole.

[4lbs]

71. Ok then, why don't you define what is meant by "a billion people who share a different moral view of

life" then?

To me it means that all billion have the same views. Thus, they are the same.

Are you going to blame all 1.2 billion Muslims for the actions of less than 1%?

[cynatnite]

I'm not saying we can't stop it, but we should be informed and educated about it...

Just because we are against the war doesn't mean we should stop being human when the people we're fighting commits an atrocity.

Sometimes education and information has a lot of power. Maybe there might be enough that somehow it can make a difference when the world is watching. A lot of high profile cases where women and other individuals are tortured or might be put to death have been changed and challenged because of the public.

This isn't just a culture thing here or even a religion. This is an extremist theocratic group attempting to inflict their rigid views on others by any means necessary. This isn't not letting women drive or even wearing a covering. This is torture and murder.

I do completely support hunting these bastards down and punishing them accordingly. The difference is here is we are not cops and we can't put them in jail. That should be the government's job, but they're corrupt.

I'm more frustrated at the attitudes about this. I guess I should stick with posting about gay marriage or the Tea Party.

[GSLevel9]

41. :D I can pretty much agree with that... :D

[Marr]

44. I agree with you completely.

We cannot change these cultures and what's more, we have no obligation to try. You can make an argument for humanitarian intervention sometimes, but the military is not X-Treme Peace Corps, and the fact that barbarism exists is not in itself a reason for military action.

Of course, I don't believe for a moment that we're there to protect women or change the Afghan culture. We're in Afghanistan for the same reasons we project force anywhere-- for "foreign interests" of various sorts. These kinds of stories help generate support for military action when the real reasons won't do it.

[Hannah Bell]

61. The US *gave birth* to the Taliban. It was *easy* to change the culture, 40 years of war

will do the job.

The US military has no morals and doesn't give a good goddamn about women.

[chrisa]

48. What is the US supposed to do about this? Put soldiers in every village?

We cannot be the world police. This situation, while tragic, is not in the hands of the US military to stop.

I'm sure it bothers that particular poster just as it bothers me, but I know that there is nothing our military can do to solve a cultural problem.

[Bobbieo]

7. I wish every female in Talibanland would be sterile and pretty soon no more Talibans.

I know I am weird but, GDI. Otherwise, castrate the males. The hatred I feel for those bastards knows no bounds.

[whathehell]

34. I like your second choice better. n/t

[MadMaddie]

51. And when we leave it will continue

When the next invader (China) goes to Afghanastan they will still be killing women.

[Nye Bevan]

6. PLEASE nobody post along the lines of "the RW fundies here would love to do this too"

"so the US is just as bad" blah blah blah. Which for some reason someone always seems to do in one of these threads.

You know what? It's OK, you can just condemn this despicable barbarity without any qualification. Nobody will suspect you of wanting the US to invade in retaliation.

[etherealtruth]

9. Touché

[kestrel91316]

10. We aren't "just as bad", because we DON'T do it. That doesn't change the fact

that RW extremists in the US advocate this very sort of thing, including a return to stonings.

Google: dominionism and christian reconstructionism

[whathehell]

30. Do you know

how tiny and discredited a group the Dominionist/Reconstructionists ARE?

Even and groups like Focus on the Family disavow them.

Don't even bother trying to

[kestrel91316]

50. The Dominionists have put stealth candidates in all sorts of local offices,

and their stated plan is to hide their true intentions until there are enough of them to effect their desired changes. That nut in NV, Sharon whatshername who is running against Reid, is one of them from what I've heard.

[Raksha]

89. Overt Christian Reconstructionists may be a tiny and discredited group,

but the leaders continue to work through their proxies--the New Apostolic Reformation (itself too much under the radar) and other allegedly "non-denominational" churches. www.talk2action.org/ specializes in exposing stealth theocracy. I've been following this website for a couple of years now, and it's been a real education for me.

The Christian Reconstructionists would Taliban-ize the U.S. in a heartbeat if they could. That is their goal, and they are very determined and very underhanded. Some of them like Richard Mellon Sciafe are also very rich, and they put their money where their theocratic interests are.

Edited again because my link didn't work for some unknown reason after I posted it.

[McCamy Taylor]

11. Fundies would let her give birth---then stone here. Right to life and all.

[katandmoon]

15. +1

[RedCloud]

67. And then let the baby starve to death.

[AnArmyVeteran]

84. And if the baby was sick, they would deny it health care ...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

72. Which fundies.

There may, somewhere in America, be some Christian fundamentalists who would support doing that - in a nation of 3 hundred million people, there almost certainly are.

But the fraction of American fundamentalist Christians who would is incomparably tiny compared to the fraction of Afghan fundamentalist Muslims who would.

[apocalypsehow]

21. Too late. The "we're just as bad" brigade has already deployed to the scene. n/t.

[Quantess]

29. Criticizing Muslims is politically incorrect to many DUers.

Yes, I know "politically incorrect" is a loaded term, but in this case, it fits.

[JonLP24]

33. There is a difference

of linking a group of 1 billion+ religious members with terrorist organizations who happen to share the same religion. Which I see A LOT of and is unacceptable no matter what. That is different than say criticizing the religious structure that creates these kind of laws(Which are not in every Muslim majority country). I don't like extremist no matter what.

[whathehell]

31. THANK you! n/t

[bullwinkle428]

54. Nah...they just want to do that to the gays.

For those who think I'm making a ridiculous exaggeration, check out the repeat of Rachel's show tonight, and her segment on that "Christian" group with the uber-anti-gay message that uses a heavy metal band to appeal to kids...

[Fumesucker]

66. Umm.. We have *already* invaded...

And we have killed "an amazing number of people" there.

But it's OK when we kill people, our motives are pure.

[AnArmyVeteran]

83. I'm not going along with your request. To ignore the threats opens up opportunities for fanaticism.

I don't understand why you would not want people to address the very real threat from religious fundamentalism in the US if they rose to power in the US. Instead of our laws being based on the visions of our founding fathers, we would have barbaric laws inspired from the brutal and inhuman 'eye for an eye' punishments in the Old Testament.

Places like Liberty University, started by Jerry Falwell, is a diploma mill cranking out one religious fanatic after another with a goal of having their graduates rise to powerful positions in government, like senators, representatives and judges so they could change our existing laws and replace them with Biblical law, especially from the Old Testament. Remember, Liberty University is where Glenn Beck gave a commencement address to the students there. It didn't matter to the fundamentalists in the audience that Beck makes his fortune by bearing false witness against his neighbors. Beck lies every day, but not one fundamentalist protested or left and mindlessly sat there listening to a person who violates the Ten Commandments every day he is on the air.

If successful, these religious fundamentalists would go on legislative and judicial rampages ripping out law after law and replacing them with barbaric laws and punishments inspired by their interpretation of the Bible.

This is a recipe for disaster, but it is their stated goal. Fundamentalist Christians would love to impose their distorted (and even evil) interpretations of the Bible on everyone else in America. We would have a resurgence of witch burnings, stonings, and maybe even crucifictions to right any perceived wrong. Fundamentalists live in the world of the Old Testament, and would love for old Biblical law to become the law of the land in the United States. And just like every fundamentalist I've ever met, they would cherry pick just the parts of the Bible that suits their radical agendas.

Their deluded fantasy is for the US to become a theocracy, and just as in every other theocracy on earth, fundamentalists would impose the most oppressive and barbaric punishments on others, all in the name of their 'god'.

You can say you don't want to hear about how right wing fundamentalists would be no different from fundamentalist Muslims, but you would be merely burying your head in the sand and ignoring a very real and dangerous threat to our country.

Look at how right wing fundamentalists seem to always support and even lust for violent solutions, rather than using diplomacy to resolve differences. They supported the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan, even though neither country posed any threat to the United States. Do you believe these fundamentalist Christians would have supported those wars if Iraq and Afghanistan were 'Christian' countries? Of course not, but not one person in the media or in politics even mentioned that very real truth.

If our country became a theocracy, as fundamentalists are 'praying' for, then this country's future would be in great danger. And all of the barbaric laws in the Bible would be resurrected and used against the American people.

Would you like a theocratic United States and be subject to the punishments extracted from the Old Testament by religious fanatics?

[TheKentuckian]

12. That is with Team America saving the motherfuckin day...Fuck Yeah!!!

I don't remember many lamentations for these looooooooong suffering women until there was a need to justify an pointless unwinnable and pointless war by "evolving" objectives to a humanitarian mission we aren't even actually undertaking.

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. These reports flourish whenever there is going to be an announcement

of further troop escalation. Before the war it was all about the burkas or whatever those things are.

[cynatnite]

18. RAWA has been documenting atrocities for some time now...

The soccer field killings of women stopped.

Maybe if it was something more important than women there might be a bit more outrage.

[cynatnite]

17. Yeah, those women sure are milking it, aren't they? n/t

[TheKentuckian]

64. I asserted no such thing, you are being intellectually dishonest

and/or weapons grade stupid.

[whathehell]

37. They weren't

so "loooong" suffering" until the Taliban came along and sorry, I heard news reports on the brutality of the Taliban BEFORE 9/11.

[TheKentuckian]

65. Sure

[Redstone]

14. You won't hear me say this often, but we need to kill every single

one of those Taliban THINGS. (I won't justify them with the label of "people.)

I'll volunteer for the job. Face to face, eye to eye, one round through the forehead, and I'd not feel the slightest compunction.

Redstone

[GSLevel9]

23. just the Taliban?

Most of the woman-abuse in Muslim countries aren't Taliban abusers.

Slippery meet slope.

[apocalypsehow]

16. Horrific story - and enraging. That said, moral equivalency, endless qualifications, & "yeah, but"

replies to commence in 5...4...3...2...

[Prometheus Bound]

19. Why would the Taliban say they didn't do this?

Who decides who is "Taliban" and who isn't?

[Cali_Democrat]

22. Why exactly are we in that shit hole?

:shrug:

[GSLevel9]

24. to save the world, make everyone like us... and protect the gas lines. nt

:sarcasm:

[JonLP24]

26. Here

Appeals by President Obama and Afghan Women Might Gain Traction

<snip>
Afghan women could serve as ideal messengers in humanizing the ISAF role in combating the Taliban because of women's ability to speak personally and credibly about their experiences under the Taliban, their aspirations for the future, and their fears of a Taliban victory. Outreach initiatives that create media opportunities for Afghan women to share their stories with French, German, and other European women could help to overcome pervasive skepticism among women in Western Europe toward the ISAF mission...

...Media events that feature testimonials by Afghan women would probably be most effective if broadcast on programs that have large and disproportionately female audiences.

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/cia-afghanistan.pdf

[cynatnite]

28. I posted a thread about MLK's neice and it got so much outrage...

It was about gay marriage. Got some rec's, too.

This thread's responses gets appropriate outrage from a few, but mostly it's about the war and NOT about the women who are tortured and murdered. Instead, it's said the women are mistreated and are milking their suffering. Oh, and some here at DU think that any reporting of women being tortured in Afghanistan is "propaganda".

I'm feeling sick right now.

[mod mom]

79. KO alos carried it in his worst persons segment last night.

What a difference we've made. :mad:

[whathehell]

32. Scum of the earth. n/t

[Imajika]

36. There is really not much way we can stop this...

Our presence, while maybe reducing it some in the short term, is actually probably going to prolong this thinking in the hearts of the people. It just has the effect of strengthening the hand of the radicals as they can pull the "infidel" card and many of the masses will rally around them. Cultures and societies have to learn for themselves. Sad, but true.

Just going to have to accept that for probably hundreds of millions of Muslims, woman's rights is very low on the totem poll of priorities (even among millions of Islamic women who are just used to their own submissive traditions). The real fight in this world when it comes to "terrorism" is between factions within the Islamic faith. Modernists versus the fundamentalists. The fundamentalists shout louder and tend to have more guns. The more we involve ourselves, the more we help the fundamentalists since it keeps the focus off their backward, uncompetitive and inefficient views on how to survive in the modern world.

[Rex]

39. "Winning the hearts and minds" one bullet at a time.

:eyes:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

69. It's a very effective method, sadly.

"Do what I want and I will give you some money" usually loses to "Do what I want and I will not shoot you".

[kimi]

42. Heartbreaking

I have family over there now. Working with Afghan civilians who absolutely despise the Taliban.

It's neither here nor there, but this just makes me sick.

[Junkdrawer]

43. CIA And ISI Nurtured Mujahideen And Taliban

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x490826

[cilla4progress]

45. HOPE THIS EDUCATES PEOPLE

We just hosted a young Afghan woman for a year (17 yr. old). She defected to Canada at the end of her year, rather than go home. She is a devoted, genuine, liberal, compassionate Muslim. Our "daughter" maintains strongly that these heinous acts are cultural, in genesis, not a prescript of Islam. She sees the perversion of the Koran (as the Bible is perverted by so many Christians) and its theft, really, by these murderous criminals.

Please don't assume that Islam is directing these thugs. Furthermore, this has NOT been the situation in Afghanistan for hundreds of years. At the end of the 40 rule of their last King in the 1970s, Afghan women were commonly wearing western-style clothing, were college-educated, and had many more rights than under the fundamentalists now coming back into power.

My whole family is totally relieved that our Afghan daughter took the brave step of escaping to freedom, rather than going back to that hell for women.

[Junkdrawer]

46. "Furthermore, this has NOT been the situation in Afghanistan for hundreds of years."...

I was just thinking that. All this started when Zbig decided to suck Russia into its Vietnam back in the late 70s.

Ain't the Great Game wonderful?

[renate]

75. Oh my gosh. What a brave young woman

I really hope things are going well for her. :hug:

[cilla4progress]

82. I believe they are.

Thank you so much. We are in contact with her. She is living with an uncle and her sister in Toronto. We just shipped her her things -- she defected with only her purse, backpack (containing laptop of course -- the universality of teens!), and the clothes on her back!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

47. Does anybody need to be reminded under what legal system this was done under?

[Generic Other]

49. This is a crime against women by brutal men

Such men are everywhere. And they are hate-filled monsters. One can only hope they suffer tenfold for the suffering they have caused.

[rug]

53. Therefore . . . ?

[Tsiyu]

55. I just have to say

how compelling violence against women becomes when we are discussing any culture but America's.


Our own justice system frequently looks the other way when American women are abused.

Homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women in the US. Maybe we should clean up our own bidness?

[smalll]

60. Stonings? Honor killings? Nose-Cutting-Offs? Forcing burkhas on them?

Forbidding them to drive? Or go to school?

Somehow, I get the impression those kind of things don't happen so much over here. Even in Alabama. Just my impression. :shrug:

[whathehell]

62. + 100

Attempts to conflate this barbarity with US treatment of women is a joke.

[Tsiyu]

80. Impressions

Like Machete impressions?

Man accused of machete murder due in court

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2010/august/134463/Tampa-Police:-Woman-killed-by-boyfriend-with-machete

According to the Tampa Police Department, the woman's boyfriend attacked her in front of her family.

Officials said 50-year-old Danitza Fonseca was attacked Sunday just before 9 p.m. while arguing with her boyfriend, 39-year-old Alexander Cote-Ferrer at their home on East Thrace Street in Tampa.

According to the police report, Fonseca had multiple lacerations from a machete when officers arrived. She was rushed to Tampa General Hospital, where she later died.

Officials said Fonseca's two daughters and their boyfriends witnessed the attack. Cote-Ferrer threatened the family members but they left the home and called 911.
"

Or how about the impression of dismemberment?

http://www.enterprisenews.com/breaking/x104354801/Murder-in-Randolph

"A police report on file at court said that the dismembered body of Karneetha Sanders, 28, of Randolph was found inside a bloody barrel at about 3:30 a.m. Thursday in the basement of Flora’s Braiding and Beauty Supply, 88 North Main St. in Randolph Square. "

I can find lots of these, too...

[apocalypsehow]

77. Have you seen #60? If so, where ever is your (no doubt) cogent reply & repartee?

:shrug:

[Tsiyu]

78. Because you care ? How nice of you

No repartee but a few links:




Many New or Expectant Mothers Die Violent Deaths

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10074-2004Dec18.html



Their killings produced only a few headlines, but across the country in the last decade, hundreds of pregnant women and new mothers have been slain. Even as Scott Peterson's trial became a public fascination, little was said about how often is happens, why, and whether it is a fluke or a social syndrome.


Christina Colon, 24, was fatally shot this year in Pennsylvania, where her boyfriend is awaiting trial. She was five months pregnant.



_____About This Series_____

The Toll: Researchers are just beginning to discover what has been a hidden risk of pregnancy: Pregnant women and new mothers are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any single natural cause, several statewide studies have shown.

The Victims: As public health experts focus new attention on homicide during pregnancy, the Washington region has become a focal point. Research rarely casts light on the lives of those who were slain or how violence entered their lives at such a pivotal time.



_____From The Post_____

• Violence Intersects Lives of Promise (The Washington Post, Dec 20, 2004)
• States Add Penalties For Death of Unborn (The Washington Post, Dec 20, 2004)
• Researchers Stunned By Scope of Slayings (The Washington Post, Dec 19, 2004)
• How the Series Was Reported (The Washington Post, Dec 19, 2004)

_____For Information or Help_____

• National Domestic Violence Hotline, 1-800-799-SAFE
• D.C. Coalition Against Domestic Violence, 202-299-1181
• Maryland Network Against Domestic Violence, 301-352-4574
• Virginians Against Domestic Violence, 804-377-0335



"Their deaths passed quietly. Tara Chambers, 29, was gunned down on a June morning inside her North Carolina home. Rebecca Johnson, 16, was shot in the chest as she sat in a pickup truck in Oklahoma. Ana Diaz, 28, was killed in a parking lot in Reston as she stopped to get a friend on their way to work.

They all were pregnant, with futures that seemed sure to unfold over many years. One was a nurse's assistant who planned to name her daughter T'Kaiya. Another had just bought a house. The youngest was a high school cheerleader.

Their killings produced a few local headlines, then faded, each a seeming aberration in the community where it happened"





Pregnant Women Murdered by Partners After Refusing Abortions

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/oct/06101804.html


"Dawn Tusa left her house early that morning after discovering her husband using cocaine in their bathroom. Telling him he had five minutes to decide if he wanted her and their baby or the drugs, she went out to her car. Mr. Tusa followed and fired three shots at the car as she tried to back it out of the driveway--the third shot struck her in the head.

The car ended up on a hillside, where Ms. Tusa was found by a motorist around 8:20, still breathing. She died from blood loss shortly afterward. Mr. Tusa, it was found, had apparently used a chain to try and pull the vehicle off the hillside, with his wife still alive in the car."



Pensacola Pregnant woman murdered by pro-choice boyfriend because she refused abortion

http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/pensacola-pregnant-woman-murdered-by-pro-choice-boyfriend-because-she-refused-abortion/

"As most settle in this Thanksgiving Day to watch football and pick at leftovers, Valerie Joseph will grieve.

Joseph and her family will take a cross and flowers to the shore of Bayou Grande where the body of her pregnant 25-year-old daughter, Samira Watkins, was found Nov. 3 duct taped and stuffed in luggage.


snip

Watkins’ body washed ashore Nov. 3 in a large luggage-style bag near Syrcle Drive on the west shore of Bayou Grande.

She had several layers of gray duct tape wrapped around her nose, mouth and eyes. "



Murder is #1 cause of Death for Pregnant Women



http://wjz.com/local/body.found.forestville.2.1009856.html

"He did not want her to have the baby, very adamant about. I kept telling her just leave the guy alone, but she wanted him to be part of the baby's life," said Garrett Demery.

The tragic death of this pregnant woman is not the only one. Across Maryland, pregnant women are being killed at an alarming rate. Forty-one pregnant women have been murdered in Maryland since researchers began keeping track in the 90s.

"We were completely shocked to find that homicide was the leading cause of death," said Isabelle Horon, Md. Dept. of Health and Mental Hygiene.

The majority of these victims are young, single and African-American. It's a profile that fits Valicia Demery exactly."



Abortion argument leads to murder of pregnant woman



http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=11207867


"There was a bullet wound in the side of her stomach, one in her chest, one it looked to be in the back of her head. There was so much blood you couldn't tell," he said.

snip

Witnesses told detectives that Nelson was the father of Johnson's child, and that he wanted her to have an abortion, but she refused.

Ingram says Nelson's intent to kill the child was obvious by her wounds.

"It looked like he was intent on killing both of them," he said."



Pregnant Woman Killed in Front of Kid

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/072610-Pregnant-Woman-Killed-in-Front-of-Kid







I could do this all day long if you like.

[apocalypsehow]

87. What's sad, and a bit pitiful, is that you think that any of that is somehow connected to anything

going on in Afghanistan in an organized and systematic manner as a matter of custom & law.

Your reply above is the ultimate Apples to Oranges diversion, and a rank logical fallacy in motion.

Please try again.

[Tsiyu]

88. "nothing is connected to anything...man, like....wow"

Everything is just so nebulous man, like, I can't wrap my head around it.... AhhhhhHHHH"




Sorry. Your post title just made me think of someone really unable to connect any dots.



Now, if you will go back to the original post I made in this thread, I was comparing the sudden interest in and outrage against the violence done to women somewhere far away, versus the interest in and outrage against violence done to women here in America.


This is a discussion board. Do you know what that means?


That means we discuss - sometimes if we are lucky - the various issues surrounding a topic.

I'm sorry for confusing you by adding a little deeper level to this suddden outrage over a murdered pregnant woman. To me, as a decent, caring human being, no matter how they are murdered, all pregnant women's deaths are a tragedy and they are all still dead.

I realize that dead pregnant poor white or black American women don't merit the vast concern a dead Afghani woman does (and I will withhold my opinion as to the main reason for that) but I would say there must be some cultural aberration in America to explain this tragic phenomenon.

But this Afghani woman's death, if true, is certainly no justification to wage war against another nation, unless we would like to be invaded for the treatment of citizens in our prisons, at the hands of our LEO's in many cases, and in their own homes at the hands of their spouses and ex- boyfriends when law enforcement - legally and systematically - turns a blind eye to domestic violence .


If we'd spent the money we've spent blowing up pregnant and non-pregnant Iraqis and Afghani people instead on programs to eradicate violence here at home, imagine how many lives we could save?

But no one would get rich.


Damn. I guess you win after all.


But what is sad...and pitiful... is that you could not scrape together one word of empathy for the women about whom I posted.


That's badass, there...

[Warren DeMontague]

56. Words? There are no words.

What a piece of fucking work is man. Intelligent Design, my ass.

[BurtWorm]

58. What sweethearts those Taliban are.

Teabaggers of the Muslim world.

[smalll]

59. Doesn't matter. America is more evil than anything else in the world, kind of like 2 plus 2 is 4 --

So fundy Islam is the most powerful anti-progressive, anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-learning, anti-freedom power in the world today?

Who cares!!!! They're not Repukes!!! They're not white dudes! They don't play golf in lily-white country clubs!

So they're ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!!!!

:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

73. Jesus H. Christ.

:banghead:

[apocalypsehow]

74. +1

[leeroysphitz]

63. Support for the war must be waning. n/t

[Romulox]

70. I bet a few bombs will put a final and decisive end to all of that! nt

[asdjrocky]

85. I've been lied to so much in matters of war by my government, I even find this hard to believe. nt

[mike r]

86. America cannot prevent every barbaric act on the planet

Just get the hell out of Afghanistan.