Massive fish kills in Gulf as government opens areas to fishing---Obama admin. appears incompetent

[wordpix]

While on vacation in another state on Aug. 7, I accidentally found Fox News, which had this story on about a massive fish kill off the Miss. coast:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4304862/bp-may-drill-again-at-oil-spill-site

I tried to find more information on better MSM news stations whenever I was in my room, but there was NOTHING. I have not even seen this story on MSNBC.

Now that I'm back home, I've found this other recent story:

Mass Fish Kill in Fourchon, LA http://bpoilslick.blogspot.com/2010/08/mass-fish-kill-in-fourchon-louisiana.html

and here is a good site, too: Oil Spill Citizen Report http://drlatulane.org/community/groups/gulf-oil-spill/dashboard/1/2/++contextportlets++collage.portletmanager/onshore-oil-reports-tulane-labb-spill-ushahidi/full_feed

The question is: We can see the ongoing environmental damage with these fish kills and damaged crabs, so why is the Obama Admin. opening more areas to fishing? :shrug: :banghead: THIS is one reason this Obama supporter will be supporting any good progressive challenger in the 2012 primary, unless this admin gets its act together. :grr:

My bro, a staunch Repub, recently called Obama "incompetent." Normally I would have argued with him, but I just remained silent when he said it. Although I recognize O is better than Bush, I am starting to agree.

[tabatha]

1. Obama never said that the oil has all gone.

There is still a percentage left in some areas.
Possibly, the opened areas are places where the oil is not present.

Some places are still closed.

http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/deepwater_horizon_oil_spill.htm

Don't know about you, but for the most part I have found NOAA to be competent.

Accidentally found Fox News?
You are doing what the right always does - paint all with the brush of a few.
I.E. not ALL areas have been opened.

[wordpix]

10. self-delete

[wordpix]

11. and I never posted that O said that but keep up your knee jerking to stay uninformed

Yes, I was on vacation in another state not knowing what cable channel is what, and happened on the Fox fish kill story complete with video. It was actually a good story, not insHannity or Glenn Beck but a real reporter out on the Gulf in a boat filming thousands of fish belly up.

But keep up your knee jerk rxn so you don't get informed, that's the Amerikan way.

[tabatha]

2. Map of closed areas.

Since it is apparent that you are too lazy to get the facts, and just jump aboard the damning train, here in as large a version as possible, the closed areas. I would say that the closed area is far larger than the opened areas. As far as that competent thing goes, I think people in glass houses should not throw stones. You did not even know what was still closed and what was open.

[wordpix]

6. and apparently you don't know that fish migrate and move around

Why don't you read the information I posted and then you might not be so high and mighty. BTW, I have supported O all the way although I disagreed with bailing out the banks, having no public option, keeping Geithner in, keeping Salazar in, and approving Corexit. But opening these areas of the Gulf up when it's clear fish are dying in large numbers and crabs are turning up with blackened shells with holes in them is moving me to the last straw.

Too bad you're defending O at all costs when even he says we should hold his admin. accountable.

[sinkingfeeling]

3. So you think President Obama spends all his time analyzing the situtation for NOAA?

[DevonRex]

4. Tabatha just ate your lunch, Mr. Accidental Fox News Watcher and Linker.

:rofl:

[wordpix]

5. no one here knows fish migrate? I am not eating fish from the Gulf but you go ahead

[tabatha]

8. I would not eat it either. But that is just me.

But that was not the topic.

The topic of the post was Obama opening everything to fishing.

However, some people are happy to eat the fish --- which are being carefully inspected, btw.

Also, note the areas opened have been restricted to fin fishing.

Does that mean that scientists are basing their opinions on years of study (done under Republican and Democratic presidents) to restrict even the fishing in the opened areas? Does that not imply some sort of factual basis for decision making, and once again competence?

[wordpix]

9. did I say O opened "everything" to fishing? No, I didn't

I was pointing out the accumulating evidence of massive fish kills, crab damage and oil/Corexit rising from the depths in recent days. Since fish travel, it seems absurd to me to open up any affected area along the Gulf coast to fishing. But you go ahead and have a nice crab dinner.

[tabatha]

12. So in reply to my saying I would not eat it

you state "have a nice crab dinner"? :banghead:

And please note, that the fish may have died because of excessive heat, as one poster pointed out. No-one knows the cause, but some people are ready to make a diagnosis from pictures.

We have had fish die-outs here in a local lake, and there was no oil involved. At all.

[Usrename]

34. I must have missed it.

Where did anyone say that Obama was opening everything up to fishing?

Or is that your strawman response to the OP?

What exactly do think is the point of opening ANY of the closed areas to commercial fishing? Do you honestly think the ecology has recovered to the point where we can begin exploiting the bounty there?

Really?

Is anyone that stupid?

[jpak]

7. Oh please - summer jubilees are common along the gulf coast - especially Mobile Bay

and other small embayments. As the Fourchon blogger stated....

"I don't know the depth, but I'm presuming that with restricted flow that the die off is likely caused by low oxygen in the water from the extreme heat that the region has been experiencing over the past week."

It has nothing to do with Obama.

Obama did not cause the spill.

Obama has not been blowing up dead whales.

Obama is not covering up for BP

Obama held BP's feet to the fire to plug that well and pay for the damages.

Obama is conducting a criminal investigation of BP - they will be put n trial.

Obama is not incompetent - he's one of the best presidents we have had in our history.

wake up

[wordpix]

13. I agree with most of what you write here but I never posted 99% of it

only questioning the competence, and saying I'd like to see more.

As for the O2 depletion in the Gulf, there's been a huge dead zone for many years and the oil spew is not going to help as oil-depleting bacteria grow in numbers. All the more reason to keep the Gulf closed to fishing until the fish kills stop and the crabs look healthy.

Boy, people on this board are loving to put words into my post that I never wrote :shrug:

[jpak]

14. There is no evidence that the fish kill reported in that blog was caused by oil

and the oil plumes that are responsible for lower dissolved oxygen concentrations is the Gulf are located at depths around ~1000 meters near the well head - not Port Fourchon.

The most oxygen depleted areas of the Dead Zone are along the 20 meter isobath - and not on the surface or onshore.

What IS evident is anti-Obama hysteria.

yup

[BeFree]

15. Cool

You know where all that oil is? And so many have been searching high and low.

You can, of course provide some links, eh?

***************

Like wordpix, I too came across the fox news story. Yeah, I know, burn me at the stake, too.

I thought it rather interesting that fox did that. Made me wonder what they have against BP. Maybe BP owes them some money? Or maybe Exxon is tired of competing?

[jpak]

16. You can go on the NOAA website and download the CTD CDOM depth profiles

and see where the subsurface plumes are located.

You can google up the press releases of the scientists that confirmed the presence and location of the subsrface hydrocarbon plumes.

You can go to Mandy Joye's blog and see her data too.

or

you can believe FAUX News

yup

[BeFree]

19. You don't get it, do you?

NOAA is not being forthright.

And you don't really know where all that oil really is.
Everyone has opinion, just like they have....

If the day ever comes that NOAA decides to come clean, then the scientists will be satisfied, eh?

[jpak]

20. I get it and you don't - "Researchers link undersea oil plumes to BP spill"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-bp-oil-plumes,0,2578252.story

Through a chemical fingerprinting process, University of South Florida researchers say they have definitively linked clouds of underwater oil in the northern Gulf of Mexico to BP's runaway Deepwater Horizon well -- the first direct scientific link between the subsurface oil clouds commonly known as "plumes" and the BP oil spill, USF officials said Friday.

Until now, scientists had circumstantial evidence, but lacked that definitive scientific link.

The announcement came on the same day that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that its researchers have confirmed the existence of the subsea plumes at depths of 3,300 to 4,300 feet below the surface of the Gulf. NOAA said its detection equipment also implicated the BP well in the plumes' creation.

Together, the two studies confirm what in the early days of the spill was denied by BP and viewed skeptically by NOAA's chief -- that much of the crude that gushed from the Deepwater Horizon well stayed beneath the surface of the water.

<more>

[BeFree]

21. What?

The oil plumes were from BP DWH busted well? No shit.

You do know blue crabs are swimmers, right? That they don't live real deep, right? So how come the crab larvae are showing oil? Blue crabs live near the surface down to maybe 200 feet, yet they are oiled? That means the oil is near the surface, right?

[jpak]

23. Blue crabs do not spawn at 1000+ meters in the central Gulf of Mexico where the plumes are located

Those crab larvae probably got oiled near or on the surface and close to shore (the exact loaction of where they were collected has not been reported)

No one denies this

not even the Evil Lying Incompetent Obama who is Worse than Bush

[BeFree]

26. Yes, that's right

The plumes back in June were concentrated near 3,000 feet. Are they still there? Or are they floating to the surface and oiling the blue crabs there?

Are they even concentrated into plumes still, or greatly dispersed through the water column?

Problem is, as the scientist are stating, the science is being withheld.

[jpak]

27. The science is not being withheld

Federal scientists working for NOAA or EPA or NRL or whatever have to submit their data sets for rigorous quality control before they can even think about publishing it...and their manuscripts undergo rigorous external and internal peer review - more so than a university scientist.

They have to make sure the data is sound before it is released for publication in the media or in scientific journals.

If data are embargoed - it is not because the Evil Obama is covering BP's ass, it's to make sure it will hold up in court...

when the Evil Incompetent Obama sues BP for the damage it caused in the Gulf.

and wins

yup

[wordpix]

30. quite a few fishermen have skimmed the bottom and found oil there

there are videos, and the Fox video shows one such effort.

But I know, it's a Faux report so EVERYTHING is false---the belly up fish, the oil dredged from the bottom of the bay, the video itself---EVERYTHING.

[Greyhound]

17. It depends on how you define competence.

If you're a billionaire thief (I know, that's redundant), he is much more competent than the Idiot Frat Boy they installed before him.

[wordpix]

18. I don't really think he's incompetent but he should fight for us & the environment

and stop opening up questionable areas to fishing. That could get him in trouble if people get sick.

[sinkingfeeling]

22. Obama isn't making the decision. NOAA is. I just looked all over NOAA's site and can't find

President Obama's name anywhere. His only connection is that he nominated Dr. Jane Lubchenco as the administrator. She is the first of 9 to be a marine ecologist.

It's a federal agency, part of the Dept. of Commerce, that opened up some very limited areas to fishing.

[wordpix]

28. Good point but O appointed both heads of Commerce & NOAA

so ultimately, the buck stops with Obama.

I don't expect O to be an expert in everything; OTOH, I question the decision to open any affected areas in the Gulf right now while massive fish kills are ongoing and crabs appear damaged. There are also plenty of reports of thick oil on the bottom of the Gulf in places like Barataria Bay and also reports of oil rising to the surface.

[Name removed]

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[Ikonoklast]

25. Another 'concerned' post from you.

Unrec.

[wordpix]

29. have a nice fish dinner c/o the "now clean" Gulf & our gov.

[Ikonoklast]

31. Thanks, I will.

[amborin]

32. K&R

[pnorman]

33. MISS ME YET?

[Poboy]

35. rec,

[maryf]

36. K&Rnt