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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:30 PM
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NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll?
It must be favorable to Democrats, because some crazy wingnut Cspan caller went all unhinged about it being biased and, of course, the wingnut whine, the conspiracy theory that the media is liberal. I didn't catch what poll it was. Does anyone know?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:31 PM
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1. Wingnuts only trust Rassmusen. Interested the poll you mention. I'm going to look for it...
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:35 PM
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2. Found it, kind of..."The Optimistic Democratic Case"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/aug/13/us-midterm-elections-2010




Joel Benenson, the White House's pollster, spins the numbers in the new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. Here's the optimistic Democratic case, via Ben Smith:

Today's NBC/Wall St. Journal poll underscores the fact that with fewer than 90 days until the midterm elections, the Republican Party's standing is at one of its lowest points ever and its competitive position vs. the Democrats looks much as it did in the summers of 1998 and 2002, neither of which were "wave" elections...

...73 percent say they are not confident in Republicans in Congress while 26 percent say they are, for a net negative confidence rating of -47 points.
o Democrats in Congress are at 32 percent confident (6 points higher than the GOP) and 67 percent who say they are not confident (6 points lower than the GOP), for a net confidence rating of -35, which is 12 points better than the congressional Republicans.

When asked in the NBC/WSJ poll whether they prefer Democratic or Republican control of Congress after the November elections, 43 percent said Democrats and 42 percent said Republicans.

Okay. Then there's this:

While Democrats had a 10-point margin in 2006 when they gained 31 seats, the previous two midterms also showed a deadlocked preference in the summers of 1998 and 2002 in the NBC/WSJ polls. In both of those elections, the gains were only in single digits: 5 seats for the Democrats in 1998 and 8 seats for the Republicans in 2002.

That last thing could actually be a plausible argument that the damage might not be as bad as everyone assumes, assuming consistent methodology and so forth over those different elections.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:59 PM
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3. Look at this, the whole poll, pdf:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:12 PM
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4. Thanks for the links! nr
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 11:42 PM
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5. Thank you for finding that!
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 01:26 AM
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6. The problem is, as it has been for MONTHS, the ENTHUSIASM GAP.


Even if a minority of Republicans are nuts, that minority is going to head to the polls with pitchforks and crazed looks in their eyes while Democrats are still glum and beat up and demoralized by a Republican-lite administration. Van Hollen and Tim Kaine are milquetoasts who have no fire in their bellies to get people worked up so goopers will show up at the polls out of proportion with their numbers in the population. You can add a solid 10 points to gooper numbers in polls simply because these nuts think they are fighting to save civilization from the commie pinkos.


Take Boxer. She's running close with Carly Fiorina. Add the fanatic factor and she loses to Fiorina.

Take Connecticut. Only 23% of Democrats voted in the primary. That is a TOXIC environment for Democrats there.

Take Harry Reid in Nevada. Slightly ahead in some polls. Add the batsh*t crazy lunacy of Angle's supporters and they rush to the polls while Reid's supporters don't much and she wins.


This is a CONTAMINATED election.

CONTAMINATED by hate.
CONTAMINATED by lying.
CONTAMINATED by smears.
CONTAMINATED by GOP corporate money.
CONTAMINATED by the failure of the White House to make an issue out of the oil spill while sucking up to BP.
CONTAMINATED by the right wing corporate media.
CONTAMINATED by the fact that the GOP gets away with F*CKING MURDER with everything they do and say.


The GOP is on a JIHAD and its voters have turned into raging barbarians ready to storm the gates.


Polls don't mean crap in this environment. What matters is that the other side is going to storm the gates and we're not.



Add to this that many votes will be HACKED as usual and we are toast.


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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:56 PM
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7. I was thinking things were looking up for us
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 12:57 PM by Sugarcoated
It's seeming to me that rational, fair minded people with common sense are starting to gradually tune in and pay attention, thus, reflected in the polls.
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