I'll say it one more time Republicans, there have been 2 Mosques near the WTC since the 1980s

[Rosa Luxemburg]

How many more do we have to spell it out to the Republicans. THERE ARE 2 MOSQUES in the vicinity and the RW and their media have chosen to ignore it. Will someone tell them on cable news! Aaaargh!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/nyregion/14mosque.html?src=mv

[AlabamaLibrul]

1. Some on DU still take issue with it, not just Republicans. But it's a great wedge issue. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. The GOP are trying to milk it but they should be careful what they say

they don't do their homework

[dkf]

6. No we are the ones not doing our homework.

All we need is for one person who was in that basement to talk about the huge explosion they heard that morning as the fuselage from a 9/11 plane came crashing into the roof of the building they were in and went through two floors. Then they can talk about how the electricity went out and how scary it was getting out of the building. Then they can talk about the nightmares they still have of that day and how everyone employed there lost their jobs.

Yeah good luck to us telling the people it had nothing to do with 9/11.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. you mean

the underground explosion not the impact of the planes?

[uppityperson]

31. I agree that you are the ones not doing your homework."we are the ones not doing our homework."

Every place that has anyone that had any impact from 9/11 attacks means that place was connected with 9/11 and therefor a community center espousing peace should not be built anywhere near that.

[seabeyond]

44. you look for excuses to hate. use others to validate your hate.

you limited thinking and living within a box allows you to blindly turn away form yourself as you hate.

what you have promoted in this thread, is hate. that simple. you are willing to lie and decieve and not respond to those that call you on it, so you can fester in hate and contaminate others. and you use the victims of 911 to springboard your hate

[WillParkinson]

3. Rosa please stop...

Logic won't win this fight. People refuse to think that because a handful of people did something horrific the entire group is not to blame. And many in the media are chumming the waters.

All you're going to do is give yourself a tension headache and you seem to smart for that. Instead of trying to appeal to their rational side try something a bit easier. Like moving that mountain over there.

:hug:

But thank you for trying. I truly hope that someone listens. (Especially those on DU who surprised me with some of the invectives they're spewing.)

[6000eliot]

11. Does it occur to anyone to ask whether or not Muslims also died in the attacks?

Along with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and even atheists? We are a culture of religious pluralism. It is written into our Constitution. That is all that need be said on this "issue."

[wishlist]

25. ABC interviewed woman who talked about Muslim Americans killed 9/11

After days of letting loud Repub politicians dominate airwaves attempting to inflame voters against Obama, ABC finally showed a Muslim American NY woman who talked about Muslim Americans being some of the victims of the 9/11 tragedy. Until then ABC's coverage of the issue was totally slanted favoring the anti-Muslim angle of right wingers.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. The Republicans aren't interested in that or that there were mosques to begin with

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. I know

However, it doesn't do any harm to vent!

[dkf]

4. They chose the location specifically because it was connected to 9/11.

Not every building within two blocks had parts of a hijacked 9/11 plane go through the roof and two floors. People who don't understand the difference are clueless.

[ConsAreLiars]

5. I hope that is parody of some dumbfuckery nonsense you saw on FOX.

If you actually believe what you posted, well, sign yourself up as an easily manipulated fanboy at drudge 0r FR.

[dkf]

7. Nope. Read it in the NYT.

"The location was precisely a key selling point for the group of Muslims who bought the building in July. A presence so close to the world trade center "where a piece of the wreckage fell" said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric heading the project "sends the opposite message of 9/11".

www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

[ConsAreLiars]

9. Wow. You can read that and still post that garbage?

OK, bigotry trumps reading scores.

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. yes, let's just read what that article in the NYT actually says

The location was precisely a key selling point for the group of Muslims who bought the building in July. A presence so close to the World Trade Center, “where a piece of the wreckage fell,” said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric leading the project, “sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11.”

“We want to push back against the extremists,” added Imam Feisal,

snip:

Those who have worked with him say if anyone could pull off what many regard to be a delicate project, it would be Imam Feisal, whom they described as having built a career preaching tolerance and interfaith understanding.

“He subscribes to my credo: ‘Live and let live,’ ” said Rabbi Arthur Schneier, spiritual leader of Park East Synagogue on East 67th Street.

As a Sufi, Imam Feisal follows a path of Islam focused more on spiritual wisdom than on strict ritual, and as a bridge builder, he is sometimes focused more on cultivating relations with those outside his faith than within it.

snip:

“Building so close is owning the tragedy. It’s a way of saying: ‘This is something done by people who call themselves Muslims. We want to be here to repair the breach, as the Bible says.’ ”

The F.B.I. said Imam Feisal had helped agents reach out to the Muslim population after Sept. 11. “We’ve had positive interactions with him in the past,” said an agency spokesman, Richard Kolk. Alice Hoagland of Las Gatos, Calif., whose son, Mark Bingham, was killed in the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, said, “It’s quite a bold step buying a piece of land adjacent to ground zero,” but she said she considered plans for the site “a noble effort.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

23. Are they fund-raising for this?

I'm a Lutheran, and I swear I'll kick in a few bucks to help them out. Building mosque at this location would be a powerful symbol of peace and healing.

[Douglas Carpenter]

26. yes I believe they are - here is the website for the Cordoba Initiative including info. on donating

here the link:

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/


.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

41. Thanks!

But this is going to cost me more than I had expected, because NOW in addition to a donation, I also want to subscribe to Sojourners (linked from the Cordoba Website).

Happens every time!

[LostinVA]

18. The Iman is talking about peace and tolerance

How in the world do you get something nefarious from what he said???

[seabeyond]

21. i want this poster to tell us how they arrived at this accusation. i want to know how a mind

works this way, and has the guts to post something totally opposite of what is.

i get so pissed with this dishonesty

[LostinVA]

22. Yeah, I would like to know, too

Because this really is like pointing at the sky and asking why it's yellow.

[seabeyond]

24. ya. grrrrrr. lol

just blatant lying

[Douglas Carpenter]

27. that is truly awsone

but he or she did direct people to an excellent article that was written before the bigots turned this initiative for peace and renewal into a hate campaign - EVERYONE should read this article since it predates the hate campaign:



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

The location was precisely a key selling point for the group of Muslims who bought the building in July. A presence so close to the World Trade Center, “where a piece of the wreckage fell,” said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric leading the project, “sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11.”

“We want to push back against the extremists,” added Imam Feisal,


snip:

Those who have worked with him say if anyone could pull off what many regard to be a delicate project, it would be Imam Feisal, whom they described as having built a career preaching tolerance and interfaith understanding.

“He subscribes to my credo: ‘Live and let live,’ ” said Rabbi Arthur Schneier, spiritual leader of Park East Synagogue on East 67th Street.

As a Sufi, Imam Feisal follows a path of Islam focused more on spiritual wisdom than on strict ritual, and as a bridge builder, he is sometimes focused more on cultivating relations with those outside his faith than within it.

snip:

“Building so close is owning the tragedy. It’s a way of saying: ‘This is something done by people who call themselves Muslims. We want to be here to repair the breach, as the Bible says.’ ”

The F.B.I. said Imam Feisal had helped agents reach out to the Muslim population after Sept. 11. “We’ve had positive interactions with him in the past,” said an agency spokesman, Richard Kolk. Alice Hoagland of Las Gatos, Calif., whose son, Mark Bingham, was killed in the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, said, “It’s quite a bold step buying a piece of land adjacent to ground zero,” but she said she considered plans for the site “a noble effort.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

link to the cordoba intiative:

http://www.cordobainitiative.org /

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. well there you go! Even Rabbis are supporting it

[seabeyond]

19. why... would you purposely create an argument the opposite of the intent. that is like bart doing

to sherrod. saying she is a racist, when it was completely opposite.

why

would you do that.

i want an answer. you come on du, you make an accusation. it is obviously the exact opposite of what you suggest

what kind of person does this

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. People post here who

well you know

[seabeyond]

43. this blind, illinformed hate. i cannot stand it. i see it all over the place anymore. this is the

world we are creating for our children to live and then we bitch why people are not compassionate, understanding, caring.

we are doing this with every group of people. the hate adn denigration, the disrespect. and we make whiney, weak excuses for our behavior

ahte it hate it hate it

(venting. i dont often have to go to venting and throwing tantrums. just all the time anymore with women, blacks, muslims, gays, christians)

so fuckin fed up and tired of it

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. and you know Republicans have now given Al Queada center stage again

can you imagine how this will rally their troops. The Republicans should be ashamed of themselves!

[seabeyond]

47. i jsut saw something about hamas. and here they play. now everyone can get really really angry

fuck the fuckin haters playing this game and making all of us being participants in it

[Rosa Luxemburg]

52. but the Rabbis have rallied at the WTC and supported it!

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/rabbis-rally-in-support-of-ground-zero-mosque/19582704

[seabeyond]

53. i am so so happy to hear this. thank you. maybe they can teach our fundamental christians

a thing or two in bravery and not see their own religion and faith as so weak and susceptible to any other religion.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

54. fundies give Christianity a bad name

[Rosa Luxemburg]

39. ??

[aquart]

8. For some reason you think that makes a difference. Why would it?

Your premise is false is all. The objection to the mosque ...to the 13-17 story "cultural center" with gym, pool, cooking school....is NOT based on a hatred of all Muslims or a wish to purge them from the neighborhood. Which is why the mosques already in place are not relevant to the argument except maybe to ask why the need for more?

Well, the premise is true with the Republicans but they've been lost since the communists became capitalists. However, to extend a Republican mindset to everyone else who disagrees with the wonderfulness of a mosque in the debris field is as bigoted and narrow-minded as their perception. It lops off every honest objection with a simplistic smear and an insult.

Frankly, the pro-mosque hysteria reminds me way too much of the anti-ACORN hysteria on DU. Which few were willing to own at the end of it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. Why the objection? Is it really any of your business? No, it isn't.

They've owned the land for decades. So it's not really up to you whether they build on it or not. And 'why the need for more?' is a fucking stupid question, as well; you might as well ask the same of any Christian church or Jewish synagogue. Aren't there enough of those, too?

[uppityperson]

34. being open minded ="pro-mosque hysteria"?

Being open to promoting peace and tolerance rather than bigotry = "hysteria"? Good grief.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

35. ??

[LanternWaste]

45. Which honest objections?

"It lops off every honest objection with a simplistic smear and an insult..."

Which honest objections? Haven't seen any to date...

[seabeyond]

48. +1. none. not a single one. but i do see people making these comments to validate their hate

glorify their hate.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. "Here, read this sad story of a person who was traumatized by 9/11.

Ergo, the mosque should not be built!"

[snagglepuss]

55. It hardly is worth posting if you're not prepared to be a cheerleader. Posts like yours become

feeding frenzies after which the thread simply becomes an echo chamber.

[Alameda]

10. I am amazed at the bigotry shown even here....

Here is their website with a video of Imam Feisal, who I have met numerous times.I have found him to be a very compassionate human being. http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

[seabeyond]

20. i think the poster that implies there is evil intent needs to validate coming onto du

and posting as he/she did.

i agree with you

disgusting

[midnight]

13. Thanks for sharing.

[madrchsod]

14. in the 80`s islam was`t the new christ killers.

i have no recollection of any mass hysteria about islam during the 80`s.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. The RW had to find a replacement

in the 80s they were still winding up the cold war. I guess they had to find a new enemy?

[Odin2005]

16. The MSM is manufacturing "reality", as usual.

If it is not reported it does not "exist".

[Rosa Luxemburg]

37. I guess I'm too used to watching the BBC

[Erose999]

17. The RW also won't acknowledge that there were Muslim victims who died in 9/11, and that there were

surely Muslims among the 9/11 responders as well. The RW does not want to face up to the fact that Muslims are just as much Americans and New Yorkers as anyone else.

Its all part of the "US v/s THEM" mentality they try to frame 9/11 with in order to sell their hate as some kind of "culture war".

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. The Republicans are behaving like the British National Party

They have the same manifesto. God help us if they get into power again.

[Erose999]

49. You mean the National Front? I'm not too familiar with British politics other than what I pick up

from music like The Clash, The Jam, and Gang of Four.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. tis called the BNP

[piratefish08]

40. our fake war on terror is evolving into a very real religious war.

which god will prevail? who can blow more shit up?

is this a good time for Thor to throw in as a third-party god?? or would this be like throwing away votes to the scary muslims?

it's all getting so confusing.

as an atheist can I choose to not participate?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. If there wasn't MSM you wouldn't hear about it

you might get a flyer through your door with a very scary picture of a mosque and an Arab and some rabid Repuublican spewing Nationalist hate on your doorstep.