If We as a Nation Block the Islamic Cultural Center from Opening, What Message are We Sending?

[ShamelessHussy]

Poll question: If We as a Nation Block the Islamic Cultural Center from Opening, What Message are We Sending?

If we as a nation block this effort, I have to wonder what's next? Banning of muslim dress, books, religion, etc?

Where will this lead us?

:shrug:

[mmonk]

1. Other.

We are the Saudi Arabia of the west.

[saltshaker]

12. Significance of Cordoba

Not sure what that means. I am dense; please explain.   FYI -
Cordoba is a city in Spain that was conquered by Muslims in
711 AD who then built a mosque on the site of the Cordoba
christian church. It was considered a "victory"
mosque. This was also done in Turkey and Jeruselum. The Muslim
world knows full well the significance of building a mosque as
close to Grond Zero as possible. Q: How close to Mecca can one
build a synagogue or church?

[Caliman73]

16. Cordoba was the city in Spain where diversity flourished an religious freedom was modeled

The land where the Grand Mosque was built was purchased from the Christians despite the fact the they had been conquered. The Moors allowed the Christians to worship and actually allowed Jews to be full members of society unlike the Christians of that time and place. Cordoba was the height of Islamic culture. Christians and the secular United States are not in any position to comment on the actions of colonization and conquest either. The "we're better" crap is just that, crap.

The "Muslim world" probably gives a rat's ass about an Islamic center in the US. That statement sounds like the fevered rantings of a scared little mind. I am sure that the entire world is just waiting with baited breath on every little thing that the US does because we are SO important. Just an ignorant and arrogant statement. :banghead:

We do not base our laws and behaviors on what other countries do. We are not a Christian nation nor a Jewish one and there is no tit for tat on the building of religious buildings. We have the enumerated right to worship, including the construction of buildings for said worship, as long as local jurisdictions grant the sale, and permits to do the construction. All of that seems to be in place. Objections based solely on emotion and prejudice.

[austin_democrat]

2. That we are ignorant and can't live up to our own stated values

[Luciferous]

21. +1 Welcome to DU :)

[msongs]

3. 'we as a nation" are doing no such thing, only individuals want to block anything nt

[metapunditedgy]

4. Just what I was going to say. n/t

[ShamelessHussy]

5. a nation is made up of it's individuals, thats why i said nation, not gov.

politicians, media, religion, personalities, individuals, are all having an impact on this debate.

[mmonk]

7. You are right because the outcome will be us as a nation.

[Tesha]

11. Just everyone who holds power or wants to hold power in this country.

Politicians have been lining up to take a stand
somewhere between "This is an outrage" and "Oh
how insensitive those Muslims are!"

Essentially no one in power is taking the actual
American Constitutionally-correct position that
this is precisely the sort of thing we support,
defend, and celebrate as American plurality.

I'm disgusted.

Tesha

[haele]

6. It's not about the "what we are label", it's about "what they are label"

Very simplistic, very knee jerk. And a very manufactured opinion.
Just finished reading (again) Democracy in America by Alexis De Tocqueville. He did comment that despite the fact that average Americans in the 1820s/30s prided themselves as being independent and self-reliant folks, they as a group tended to put more value in manufactured opinions - quick opinions derived from "common knowledge" or communal consensus than they did from opinions derived from actual study of the subject or situation.

"In America the majority raises formidable barriers around the liberty of opinion; within these barriers an author may write what he pleases, but woe to him if he goes beyond them."
"In the United States, the majority undertakes to supply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own."

Guess we haven't changed very much in almost 190 years.

Haele

[madrchsod]

8. some of us are really fucking stupid

as for the other that won`t happen.

[Bitwit1234]

9. I think it really proves that the longer they are allowed to spew

the more ignorant and violent they get. Republicans are stupid, ignorant, racist, prejudiced and hate everything. And thats a fact.

[Tesha]

10. "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others".

Orwell got it right in oh-so-many ways.

Tesha

[uppityperson]

13. Betcha I can name the 2 who voted last choice

[mmonk]

14. 3 now. I guess the Muslim victims of 9/11 don't count with them.

[Caliman73]

17. Just clarifying

The premise about sensitivity to the victims of 9/11 whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Atheist, etc...is a false premise. It links the people wanting to build the center with the terrorists when there is no link. I made an analogy the other day about women. If one woman that I am having a relationship betrays and hurts me, does that mean that it is okay for me to equate all women as being deceitful and evil? Does it justify poor treatment of the women who may come after that one perpetrator. That is what is being done to the group that wants to build the center. They are being held to account for people who they have no relationship to.

[mmonk]

18. You are correct. It is a false premise.

One is not responsible in any way for the actions of another nor should be made to feel that way to satisfy someone's improper linkage.

[Caliman73]

19. I haven't been able to fully keep up with the media, but what I have seen shows

that this argument has not been made strongly enough. The continuing reference to the proposed site as the "Ground Zero Mosque" shows that logic is getting its ass handed to it right now. The sad thing is that even if you talk about the grief process in psychological terms, the worst thing you can do to a proper healing process is try to shield people from unpleasant stimulus. To successfully resolve grief, fear, or other negative emotions you have to identify and confront the emotions and challenge maladaptive thought patterns. That is from a CBT perspective of course. However there is not one psychological framework that would suggests that running away from unpleasant emotions or thoughts leads to healing.

[mmonk]

20. I wasn't a psychology major but it seems running away

reinforces instead of heals.

[TheKentuckian]

15. How does one get to believing shitting on our most basic values is a tribute to our honored dead?

I literally don't understand what looking glass you can go through that gets you to such a place without excluding some victims and responders from "grace" and martyrdom and making all that share a cultural bond second class citizens based on the actions of a very few that aren't even citizens.

Are you folks gearing up for a Crusade?
Do you think Islam is at war with you?
What translates the attack on the World Trade Center to this particular group?