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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:25 PM
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Giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States:
Article 3, Section 3 of the United States Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.


Since we are currently and actively at war against Muslim terrorists and insurgents (a small percentage of those who are Muslim) do not those who speak out against all Muslims, as well as belittling their religion give aid and comfort to those same terrorists and insurgents who hold up those people as examples of how America hates Islam? Is that not then used to recruit more terrorists and insurgents who not only kill more Americans and innocent civilians?

Might not such actions be considered to be treason? It is something that would certainly put the freepers and the teabaggers on the defensive and that would be nice for a change. As such it might be worth tossing out their into the national debate.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:27 PM
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1. They are doing exactly what Bin Ladin wanted them to do.
Excellent point!
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Lurks Often Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:28 PM
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2. Pathetic
So quick to be willing to violate the 1st Amendment rights of people you don't like and don't agree with.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:29 PM
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3. I do not recall that Congress has declared war on anyone
Bush did, and Obama kept up Bush's wars, but I don't recall that Congress declared war on anyone, and as I read the Constitution it doesn't say anywhere they have the power to delegate the authority to go to war to anyone.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:34 PM
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4. No - it is not treason
The reason treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution is that in England and other European countries of that period, "treason" was a flexible word that in essence meant "words or ideas the ruling class disagree with." The crime of treason was a tool to repress and punish unpopular ideas or beliefs.

That is why America has such a clear and limited definition of Treason. Your tortured reasoning is clearly against the spirit and intention of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.

Besides, can you imagine what Bush would have done with a flexible and loose definition of treason?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:38 PM
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6. Have to agree with that.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:36 PM
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5. The terrorists are winning
Look around and see how this country has changed since 9/11.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:41 PM
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7. Yup, our response has been straight out of 'A Brave New World' with a heaping helping of Big Brother
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:24 PM
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11. I think you used the wrong tense. Like the billionaires, they got everything they wanted. n/t
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:49 PM
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8. You pervert the Constitution
with such reasoning.

The Constitution is to protect the rights of the weak, the unpopular, the minority from the government. You want to turn it into a weapon used by the government against the unpopular few. Don't you realize the incredible damage you would do to individual rights if you were to succeed?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:12 PM
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9. please provide a link the declaration of war passed by congress. w/out it there is NO war therefore
article 3, section 3 does not apply.

Msongs
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:22 PM
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10. We don't do treason. The only criteria for "American justice" left is how much you can afford to buy
I mean really, when a blatantly criminal administration is let off simply because prosecuting their crimes would be reveal too many inconvenient truths, how can anyone take the idea of justice in America seriously?

When billionaires literally get away with mass-murder and theft on a previously unimagined scale that literally wrecks the global economy, what is left to debate?


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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 10:33 PM
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12. Right on!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:07 AM
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13. We are not at war with any person organization or nation anywhere.
And until Congress, the sole constitutional authority permitted to declare war does so, we continue to be not at war.
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