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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:21 PM
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"Go Veg, Young Man!"
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 02:22 PM by Vehl



Go Veg, Young Man! -- Eating Through India

"Veg or non-veg?"

I beg your pardon? Come again? One more time?

Acquaint yourself, dear reader, with this query should you be fortunate enough to find yourself on a plane to India one day. For India, encompassing all of its dozens of "countries within a country," is home to the world's largest vegetarian population, and that is a very, very good thing for you. This inquiry is one you will receive on a regular basis.

I've come a long way, baby. Raised in a primarily carnivorous family where roast beef, shepherd's pie, and other English gastronomic delights were the norm, I consider myself today a "quasi-vegetarian." This quasi-vegetarian consumes chicken or fish perhaps once (or occasionally twice!) a week, generally in social situations where it's somewhat awkward or impractical to go "veg." (Before I both horrify and alienate my vegan readership, know this: I'm desperately trying to ween myself off such indulgences, but occasionally the appeal of all-you-can-eat sushi is too much to bear. This probably isn't helping my case much, is it? But now I'm getting off topic.)

Indian cuisine is, without question, the most sensually pleasurable dining experience on the planet. I do not, indeed can not conflate "Indian food" into one general category, as the food varies so much from south to north, east to west. However I can say this: I never had a bad meal in my eight months there. Combine intoxicating aromas, sublime textures, and the tastes -- ye gads, dear reader, the tastes! -- with oven fresh rice and/or naan and there can be little doubt that if there is indeed a culinary God, he/she is from Mumbai ... or Jodhpur ... or Kolkata... or...

India is the easiest country for the indoctrinated carnivore to eat vegetarian. Restaurants will advertise various curries under the simple headings of "veg" or "non-veg," (or rather, "meat.") Simply put, India always affords one the option to eat vegetarian, and I almost immediately noticed the improvements in energy level and health -- physical, sexual, spiritual, etc. -- upon consuming a purely vegetarian diet.

I am often asked by friends and family at home why I no longer choose to consume "red meat," that slightly more pleasant term for "cow flesh." Estranged now are the gracious aunts, uncles, grandmothers (never grandfathers -- need I explain the generational divide?), and parents for whom the preparation of a healthy steak or hearty chili was once a rite of passage when cooking for yours truly. No more. I simply can no longer bring myself to eat beef after spending so much time, and planning on a great deal more in the near future, in a nation that venerates cattle so. You'll guess that I am far from Hindu. However, I feel like I "get it," in my own limited way, when it comes to the Hindu's reverence for the cow.

Walking through the crowded streets, dodging rickshaws and chai wallahs, vendors and Volkswagons, the cow takes it all in stride -- pausing to consume some garbage here, be blessed by a holy man there. The Indian cow lets nothing faze it, which is at various moments bemusing and bewildering to the foreigner experiencing these same anarchic streets for the first time. The cow's gentle presence became a great comfort to me in moments of exhaustion, peril, or frustration, and for this reason, it shall never end up on the wrong end of my fork again.

So when (you'll notice I no longer bother to add "if") you experience India, go veg. Your insides, environment, and gentle bovine companions will no doubt thank you for it.


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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:28 PM
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1. Nom.
:popcorn:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:29 PM
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2. Beat me to it -- pass the salt
:popcorn:
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:35 PM
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3. Just had a snack, tempted me to post this article :D
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 02:52 PM by Vehl
Didn't have a Vadai for near on a month(a snack made out of black gram flour)....had some today :D.. i thought ill share my good fortune today by posting an article on a related topic

:popcorn:
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:47 PM
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4. Yum....
I can't believe it's not buttered.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:24 PM
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7. And another for "hide thread."
I'm enjoying my Saturday afternoon far too much.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:10 PM
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19. Hiding the truth doesn't make it less true. nt
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:14 PM
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20. Couldn't resist.
I'm vegan, and the reason I hide these threads, is because I don't feel like seeing the usual monkeys throwing their "Hitler was a vegetarian"-esque poo.

Wasn't trying to knock the OP.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 12:20 AM
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25. Hide thread and pass the meatballs.
:yum:
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 11:04 AM
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26. That kind of nonsense is exactly why I originally hid the thread. n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 10:41 PM
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27. lmao
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:21 PM
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5. I haven't eaten mammals in 16 years, but I finally went fully veg in the past
ten months. I feel SO MUCH BETTER now! My health has improved greatly, my skin is clear and wrinkle free (I'm 45), and I'm so happy to have reduced my carbon footprint by going veg. All of my family members except for my father have given up meat. My dad never went a dad without eating beef and bacon, and he has the diabetes, high blood pressure, pacemaker, kidney stones and extra 200 pounds to prove it. Even he is starting to think about going veg now that his girlfriend has done it. I hope that the trend continues...if not the human race won't have much of a future in front of it.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:06 PM
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12. thats great to hear!. :)
I eat seafood(but never tried meat) and am trying to be fully vegetarian ..its hard but im almost there. The documentary "food.inc" played a huge part in my new found enthusiasm.

i'm really glad that you have succeeded in your quest!. gives me hope:)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:23 PM
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6. Oh, here we go.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:26 PM
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8. It's on like a pot of neckbones!
:popcorn:

Don't disappoint me now.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:42 PM
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10. Oh come on. It's not like this a circumcision or breastfeeding thread
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:18 PM
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13. Ok, it's only on like a pot of free range, organic soy cubes then.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:33 PM
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9. Being a vegetarian is certainly working well for Sir Paul McCartney
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 03:38 PM by Divernan
I had the pleasure of seeing him perform live this week in Pittsburgh. At age 68, he looks very much the same as he did in his early 40's. His voice is similarly youthful and strong, and he has maintained that fantastic range from the very deep notes to the high notes of Hey, Jude!

Plus, he was on stage for nearly 3 hours without a break.
An amazing man.

Some think there's a portrait (as in Portrait of Dorian Gray) in his attic.

On Edit Paul McCartney has become the subject of a new PETA advert, where he explains what made him become a vegetarian in the first place. Turns out it was all because of a fish. The Press Association reports:

The ex-Beatle, 65, poses next to the words "I Am Paul McCartney, And I Am A Vegetarian" in an advert for animal rights group Peta. He is quoted as saying: "Many years ago, I was fishing, and as I was reeling in the poor fish, I realised, 'I am killing him – all for the passing pleasure it brings me'. Something inside me clicked. I realised as I watched him fight for breath that his life was as important to him as mine is to me."

The PETA advert also reveals Paul McCartney's belief that there would be no more famine if everyone turned vegetarian. And he might have a point – there'd be more cereals to go around if the majority of it didn't become cattle feed.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:03 PM
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11. Dorian gray reminds me of the movie "the league of extraordinary gentleman"


McCartney makes a real good point regarding fishing...its the same reason ive never gone fishing...i just cannot imagine killing/hurting an animal for fun.

however, i understand if some people fish to eat...even though its not optimal..its way better than fishing for fun.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:09 PM
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18. He does have a point re: famine:
FACT SHEET: GLOBAL HUNGER AND POVERTY
THE REAL COSTS OF BEEF:
GLOBAL HUNGER AND
POVERTY

Beef production causes human hunger and poverty by diverting grain and cropland to support livestock instead of people. In developing countries, beef production perpetuates and intensifies poverty and injustice, particularly if beef or livestock feed is produced for export.

* Seventy percent of all U.S. grain -- and one third of the world's total grain harvest -- is fed to cattle and other livestock. At the same time, between 40 and 60 million people die each year from hunger and diseases related to hunger. As many as one billion suffer from chronic hunger and malnourishment.1
* U.S. livestock -- mostly cattle -- consumes almost twice as much grain as is eaten by the entire American population. Globally, about 600 million tons of grain are fed to livestock, much of it to cattle.2
* Two-thirds of all U.S. grain exports foes to feed cattle and other livestock rather than hungry people.3
* In Africa, nearly one in three people is undernourished. In Latin America, nearly one out of every seven people goes to bed hungry each night. In Asia and the Pacific, 22 percent of the people live at the edge of starvation. In the Near East, one in nine is underfed.4
* Chronic hunger and related disease affect more than 1.3 billion people, according to the World Health Organization. Never before in human history has such a large percentage of our species -- more than 20 percent -- been undernourished.5
* Undernutrition affects nearly 40 percent of all children in developing nations and contributes directly to an estimated 60 percent of all childhood deaths, according to the U.S. Agency for International Development. More than 15 million children die every year from diseases resulting from, or complicated by, undernourishment.6
* If worldwide agricultural production were shifted fron? livestock feed to food grains for direct human consumption, more than a billion people could be fed -- the precise number which currently suffer from hunger and malnourishment.8
* Feeding grain to livestock is an extremely wasteful method of producing protein. Feedlot cattle require nine pounds of feed to make one pound of gain. Only 11 percent of the feed goes to produce the beef itself. The rest is burned off as energy in the conversion process, used to maintain normal body functions, absorbed into parts of the cattle that are not eaten -- such as hair or bones -- or excreted.8
* Cattle have a feed protein conversion efficiency of only 6 percent, producing less than 50 kg of flesh protein from more than 790 kg of plant protein. A feedlot steer consumes 2,700 pounds of grain by the time it is ready for slaughter.9
* Asian adults consume between 300 and 400 pounds of grain a year; three-fourths or more of the diet of the average Asian is composed of grain. A middle-class American, by contrast, consumes over a ton of grain each year, 80 percent of it through eating cattle and other grain-fed livestock.10
* Two out of every three people around the world consume a primarily vegetarian diet. With one-third of global grain output now going to cattle and other livestock, and with the human population growing by almost 20 percent in the next decade, a worldwide food crisis is imminent.11
* Three quaners of America's public western land -- covering 40 percent of the eleven western statss -- is leased to cattlemen at prices far below market value.12
* Nearly half of the earth's landmass is used as pasture for cattle and other livestock. On very rich grasslands, two and a half acres can support a cow for a year. On marginal grazing land, 50 or more acres may be required.13
* In the 1960s, with the help of loans from the World Bank and the Inter- American Development Bank, many Central and South America governments began converting millions of acres of tropical rain forest and cropland to pastureland for the international beef market. Between 1971 and 1977, more than $3.5 billion in loans and technical assistance went to Latin America for cattle production.14
* Many major U.S. corporations invested heavily in beef production throughout Central America in the 1970s and 80s, including Borden, United Brands, and International Foods. Other American multinational companies such as Cargill, Ralston Purina, W.R. Grace, Weyerhauser-, Crown Zellerbach, and Fort Dodge Labs, provided most of the technological support for the Central American beef industry, from frozen semen to refrigeration equipment, grass seeds, feed, and medicine. 15
* The beef industry in Central America has enriched the lives of a select few, pauperized much of the rural peasantry, and spawned widespread social unrest and political upheaval. More than half the rural families in Central America -- 35 million people -- are now landless or own too little land to support themselves, while powerful ranchers and large corporations continue to acquire more land for pasture.16
* In Costa Rica, cattle interests cleared 80 percent of the tropical forests in just 20 years, turning half the arable land into cattle pastures. Today, just 2,000 powerful ranchincg families own over half the productive land in Costa Rica, grazing 2 million cattle most of whose meat is exported to the United States.17
* In Guatemala, less than 3 percent of the population owns 70 percent of the agriculitural land, much of it used for raising cattle. Nearly one third of Guatemala's beef production was exported to the U.S. in 1990.18
* In Honduras, land used for cattle pasture increased from just over 40 percent in 1952 to more than 60 percent in 1974. Total beef production tripled between 1960 and 1980 to over 62,000 metric tons annually. In 1990, more than 30 percent of the beef produced in Honduras was exported to the United States.19
* In Nicaragua, beef production increased threefold and beef exports increased five and a half times between 1960 and 1980.20
* By the mid 1980s, Central America had 80 percent more cattle than 20 years before, and produced 170 percent more beef.21
* In Brazil, 4.5 percent of the landowners own 81 percent of the farmland, while 70 percent of the rural households are landless. Between 1966 and 1983, nearly 40,000 square miles of Amazon forest were cleared for commercial development. The Brazilian government estimated that 38 percent of all the rain forest destroyed during that period was attributable to large-scale cattle development benefiting only a few wealthy ranchers.22
* In developing countries, the poor receive no benefit from cattle ranching. Modern beef production is capital intensive but not labor intensive. The average rain forest cattle ranch employs one person per 2,000 head of cattle, or about one person per twelve square miles. By contrast, peasant agriculture can often sustain a hundred people per square mile.23
* Latin American countries are using more of their land to graze cattle, and to grow feed crops. In Mexico, where millions of people are malnourished, one-third of the grain produced is being fed to livestock. Twenty-five years ago, livestock consumed less than 6 percent of Mexico's grain.24
* When land in developing countries is used to produce livestock feed, much of it for export, less land is available to peasant farmers to grow their own food, and so less food is available. As a result, staple food prices rise, and the impact is mostly felt by the poor. In Brazil, black beans, long a staple food for the poor, are becoming more expensive as farmers have switched to growing soybeans for the more lucrative international feed market.

http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/reports/beyond.html#5
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:25 PM
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14. All worship and bow to the carrot!
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:30 PM
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15. sure, as long as there is no stick involved :P nt
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:48 PM
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17. Oh' you like it!
:spank:
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:32 PM
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16. double post
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 04:32 PM by Vehl
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:19 PM
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21. "However I can say this: I never had a bad meal in my eight months there."
oh, i've definitely eaten bad food in India. even had the amoebas to prove it. unless you eat in really nice restaurants, there is plenty of bad food consumption there like anywhere else.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:42 PM
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22. The main concern is the water.
Its better to buy bottled water and using it if eating in some tiny hole in the wall kinda place.

most of the hotels/restaurants in the bigger towns/cities are fine though

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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:01 PM
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23. have to be careful with bottled water too, though
a lot of it is really tap water in disguise
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:19 PM
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24. yeah, thats another one of the worries :(
I dont rem, but there was an article which compared diff brands of bottled water and their origins(tap water/purified/etc etc)
I forgot to bookmark that site :(. It sure was an aye opener...to see what we consider to be reputable brands, just filling their bottles with tap water
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 10:43 PM
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28. Thanks for the post, Veal! I mean....Vehl...DAMMIT, now I want some veal!!
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