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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 12:57 PM
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What if the rich, powerful get what they WANT?? Billionaire's Tea Party today. Revolution tomorrow.
Here's the link to NYT's Frank Rich's fantastic piece about the billionaires funding the tea party and right wing agenda:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1&hp

And this "reader comment" (among several really good ones)that dares imagine where this ends (you say you want a REVOLUTION?).

21.
Suse
Florida
August 29th, 2010
9:20 am

Hypothetical questions, and no, I am not naive, I'm just posing the questions.

What do these billionaire and multi-millionaire people want to happen in this country ?

What is their vision ? How do they view this country if everything they want actually takes place ?

Let's assume that all social programs are eliminated.

No more social security or medicare, resulting in millions of seniors becoming indigent. Where do they go ? LIve on the streets and then, when they cannot do that anymore because they're too sick from old age, to some kind of euthanasia program like the death panels that some of you invented to try to kill the healthcare legislation ?

No more welfare (AFDC), which is supposed to be only for children, even if the program has been significantly abused, and no more medicaid, resulting in millions of already lower-income people becoming totally broke and unable to get any health services. Where do they live ? On the street ? And, if they get sick are they turned away from the emergency rooms at the local hospitals ?

Let's assume that there is a change in power in Congress and the new Congress, including incumbent GOP members formerly deaf, dumb and blind about the deficit, and the new Congress absolutely refuses to add to the deficit and insists on balancing the budget.

An anti-deficit platform, at the same time that fighting wars and paying, in the aggregate, trillions of dollars for drones and fighter planes and bombs and cyber-security and every possible military "necessity."

No health care reform (just repeal it). No government regulation of financial institutions (just repeal it). No government regulation of business if it means any barriers to amassing wealth. Death of unionization. No restriction on ownership of handguns, hunting guns or assault weapons. No abortions, but no aid to families with dependent children. No federal funding for any states, for any reason. If social security must survive, then privatize it, so that millions of people can be forced to make investment decisions that they have no desire or capacity to handle, and the government forces them to invest in something, even a money market fund, benefitting Wall Street?

That's what they want ? That's what will make their lives more wonderful and their bank accounts more bountiful ? That's what will make their vision of America come true ?

With all of their money, why don't they leave, instead of trying so hard to eliminate every single protection and support system that exists to maintain a system that has multiple economic classes ? Seriously. Just leave......go.......buy several islands or take over a small country that has no defenses and no working government and and build your own perfect society. Why not ? Why spend so much money trying to change an entire country when you can so easily go live elsewhere or build a country elsewhere that has the system you so desire ?

Yes, I know. Power. Not a good enough answer.

The rich have always needed the poor and powerless to help them get rich and stay rich. Be careful what you wish for, because with a true 16-20% unemployment rate, and an aging population, and absolutely no control over illegal workers, you already have poor and powerless.....and, eventually you will have poor and powerless and angry and violent. That's called a revolution. And, you will not win that war. There's too few of you, and too many of us.

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http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html
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red red red Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:03 PM
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1. Go viral on this one K & R n/t
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:05 PM
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2. "They got the guns, but. . .we got the numbers. . ."
"Gonna win, yeah, we're...taking over..."

- The Doors - Five To One


:evilfrown:
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:07 PM
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3. We also have guns....
...very few DUers, I imagine, don't.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:14 PM
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5. I have extras to hand out when needed.
I'm sure others do as well.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:17 PM
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6. I think you may be under estimating how many DU folks own
weapons. I don't own weapons but I am trained to fire weapons. I have been thinking about getting a few.

Just sayin...
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:25 PM
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10. Afraid I wasn't clear on the entry....
...very few don't own at least one firearm.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 05:56 PM
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17. Oh ha..ha..
We are on the same page.:thumbsup: :hi:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:10 PM
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4. Too few of them and too many of us, even more by the time these greedy rat bastards are done
stealing every last crumb. :mad:
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:19 PM
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7. Thanks for articulating points I've been trying to get across for years
Edited on Sun Aug-29-10 01:21 PM by Cirque du So-What
Sometimes I'm inclined to wish that the plutocrats and their minions get exactly what they desire - just to end this charade we laughingly call 'civilization.' Let the madness begin!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:21 PM
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8. They're "anti tax," and MOST taxes go for 1.) The Military and 2.) Social Security & Medicare.
No more "troops," Medicare or Social Security. (And no 'grandfathering' anybody who's on it now -- they're all on their own.)

I'm sure they'd really love that.

They have no idea, in other words, what they're talking about.

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:32 PM
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12. It's a frightening vision of America. Here's an excerpt from another comment:
1.
Sheldon Bunin
Jackson Heights, New York
August 29th, 2010
9:20 am

edit:

So what do these billionaires and multi-billionaires on the far right want. They want Freedom and Liberty; but it is more like freedom from and liberty to. They want freedom from paying taxes for anything that does not directly benefit them. They want freedom from having to pay for anyone else’s retirement, disability or health care, freedom from paying for public education or for the operation of any part of government which is not involved with protecting their physical security, freedom from minimum wage laws and wages and hours and safety laws, freedom from having to obey the same laws as everyone else. They also want liberty to do whatever they want, to treat people anyway they want, to have their own private security forces with the authority of law enforcement and arrest and deploy to protect their interests, as we see in the Gulf region and of course liberty to take and use the nation’s natural resources as their own property and to despoil the environment.

-edit-

These are the people have waged a stealth class war and won it and now are throwing it in our faces. We now read news reports the ideas of rich people with un-American ideas, now running directly for high public office and of multi-billionaires like the Koch brothers who have worked for years to undermine democratic government as most people understand it. This has happened before in other countries. The result is always despotism. If these people take power here, invest in companies who build and operate privatized internment camps.

-edit-

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:34 PM
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13. I'm glad to know there are still a number of intelligent people around!!
"If these people take power here" -- they've taken over the gullible minds of an awful lot of people. :crazy:
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:22 PM
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9. K & R
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:31 PM
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11. Dogs chasing cars
The rich in their chase of more wealth are like dogs that chase cars; once they get it, they don't know what to do with it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 01:40 PM
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14. Well, well not surprised
what is shocking is that the MEDIA is actually starting to make noise.

Oh and it is high time Obama takes them on...

Not expecting it, but it is time he does.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 02:08 PM
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15. Yes...a few more voices in the media telling the truth. Will Obama?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 04:37 PM
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16. What would happen?
Well, lets check the History Books.
"No health care reform (just repeal it). No government regulation of financial institutions (just repeal it). No government regulation of business if it means any barriers to amassing wealth. Death of unionization. No restriction on ownership of handguns, hunting guns or assault weapons. No abortions, but no aid to families with dependent children. No federal funding for any states, for any reason. If social security must survive, then privatize it, so that millions of people can be forced to make investment decisions that they have no desire or capacity to handle, and the government forces them to invest in something, even a money market fund, benefitting Wall Street?"


Yes. We have already Been There. Done That.
It was called the Gilded Age.,
and the Top 1% lived very well.
It led directly to the Great Depression.


Things will have to get much worse in this New Gilded Age before the Working Class & The Poor realize we have more in common with each other than we have in common with the Ruling Class Elites of either Political Party.

As long as "they" can keep us divided, "they" will prosper.
Glen Beck did his part this weekend,
and Gibbs did his part two weeks ago.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 11:41 PM
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19. OMG,,,how much worse?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 06:17 PM
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18. They look at Mexico and think 'Why not here?'
They really should look further south, and drag their asses out of 1980s into the present.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 11:49 PM
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20. Serfs. n/t
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