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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 07:23 AM
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was a pretty doggone powerful rifle that took the two officers
http://kcaw.org/modules/local_news/index.php?op=sideBlock&syndicated=true&ID=1354

Updated: Gunman kills two Hoonah policemen
Casey Kelly, KTOO, and Ed Schoenfeld, CoastAlaska

SITKA, ALASKA (2010-08-29) The waiting continues in Hoonah, where a 45-year-old man has barricaded himself inside his home after allegedly shooting and killing two police officers Saturday night.

Alaska State Troopers say John Marvin Jr. shot and killed 32-year-old Hoonah Police Sergeant Tony Wallace and 39-year-old patrolman Matt Tokuoka shortly after 10:30 p.m. Saturday.

The incident is being described as an ambush, witnessed by the officers’ families. Hoonah Mayor Windy Skaflestad says his son Arlen -- a reserve officer -- was one of the first on the scene. snip

“They can’t see him. All his windows are blocked off and they can’t see what he’s doing. And I don’t blame them for not going. It looks like there was a pretty doggone powerful rifle that took the two officers.”

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 07:35 AM
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1. Something forgotten in the screeching about Waco was
the killing of federal agents (by Koresh or his people) shortly before the surrounding of Koresh's compound.

Lots of Reichies try to claim that our soldiers' hands are tied, trying not to kill innocent bystanders in Iraq & Afghanistan, because the "I.B.s" are "human shields" for the insurgents.

So, if this guy, barricaded in his home, is killed in a shootout, are the Reichies going to blame Obama for it?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 07:41 AM
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2. President Obama will be blamed no matter what
Thats a given
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 07:43 AM
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3. no doubt ...
if the guy is not arrested, or is not executed for killing a police officer, Obama will be blamed for the "lax" enforcement of the laws.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:26 AM
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9. Where were those Federal Agents and what were they doing?
Did Koresh go into their homes and shoot them down in cold blood?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:37 AM
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11. They were lawfully serving search warrants.
So not only where the Davidians child molesters, they were cop killers.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 07:52 AM
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4. Recommend
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 08:00 AM
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5. Not quite feelin' ya here
cant quite make out how this fits or why this is posted here?? 'Alaskan rifles' are by definition big bore rifles used for taking down big animals. 45-70 rifles with 350 grain bullets or 50 cal with similar weight slugs are not uncommon.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 08:07 AM
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6. Most rifles can pierce a bullet proof vest.
Vests mainly protect against handgun fire. In this case, the large rifle is probably a hunting round designed to bring down large game and used for a different sad purpose.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 09:01 AM
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7. guns don't kill cops, RKBA advocates do nt
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:37 AM
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12. And you would take hunting rifles away from Alaskans?
Edited on Mon Aug-30-10 10:37 AM by RamboLiberal
They'd secede first.

If you want to change the law pass a constitutional amendment nullifying the 2nd amendment!

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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 09:50 AM
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8. I'm sure that a rifle that can kill a 1500 lb bear would have no problems killing a 200lb person.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:32 AM
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10. Hoonah is a small Indian Village about thirty miles west of Juneau
Edited on Mon Aug-30-10 10:32 AM by Winterblues
Juneau immediately sent out ten members of it's SWAT team and Anchorage also sent some SWAT members. I believe other small towns throughout Southeast Alaska are sending in police to help in some manner as well..This is a sad case...Hoonah is one of those towns where everybody knows everybody and all their business. People there are still in shock..
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:39 AM
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13. What kind of rifle was it?
Doesn't say in your article.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:46 AM
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14. Morbid curiosity.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 02:30 PM
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16. It was a pretty doggone powerful rifle
I don't think they have smoked this nut out of his house to find out the brand yet.

Don
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 02:43 PM
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17. They have in fact done that..He surrendered without firing another shot.
:shrug:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 02:56 PM
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18. How do you know how powerful it was if you don't know what kind it was?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:56 AM
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15. Any rifle designed to kill anything larger than a woodchuck..
.. can tear through standard police issue protection. Normal police protection is designed to stop handgun rounds, since they represent the most common threat, by an order of magnitude. SWAT uses thicker protection that will stop many rifle rounds, but some of Alaska's large game require even larger rounds that may penetrate SWAT armor.
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