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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:57 PM
Original message
I have voted every election since 1978 when I turned 18...
I have voted a straight Democratic ticket every time. I have worked and contributed time and money to get Democrats elected. For 34 years I have hoped and dreamed of a day when we would get a Democratic majority big enough to get things done...

I was so excited 2 years ago...

Now....


I don't give a damn anymore.


I'm tired.

I can't keep doing this.

I'm going back to sleep, and hope that the recurring nightmare is better than the reality we are now living in.

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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:58 PM
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1. There is no way in HELL I am going to let that damn carnie
Linda McSteroids represent Connecticut!
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:59 PM
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2. Good for you. I have a blue dog representative. Won't be voting this time.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:05 PM
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5. You're no help at all, are you?
You just lay down and quit when you don't like the outcome, do you?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:18 PM
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16. I lay down and quit after I've been beaten.
I've been playing the game for a long time. For me, the game is over. The score has been recorded in the books. Game.Set.Match. The corporatists have won.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #16
31. Oh, you'll be back. It's simply a matter of time.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:40 PM by BzaDem
There's only so much political pain you can inflict upon yourself before your survival instinct takes over. You will be running to the polls to vote Democratic -- it's just a matter of when the survival instinct kicks in. Perhaps it won't kick in when Republicans end unemployment insurance, cut Medicaid, and make the tax code more regressive. Perhaps it will take them voucherizing Medicare. But at some point, you won't be able to take it anymore. It's just a matter of time.

If you think it is bad now, you don't have a clue. Not a clue.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. I have a clue.
Democrats won't stop any of that.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:48 PM
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41. My point is that you DON'T have a clue, your assertion to the contrary notwithstanding.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:49 PM by BzaDem
Democrats HAVE stopped ALL OF THAT while they have been in office. The only way they wouldn't stop that is if they didn't have the votes to stop that, which is EXACTLY what you want to happen.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:22 PM
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18. Don't vote, don't complain. nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:01 PM
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3. My first vote was
for JFK. Always straight D - until now.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:04 PM
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4. are you waiting for someone to play a violin for you?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:08 PM
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7. No.
I'm way beyond feeling sorry for myself, and even the country. I really don't give a damn.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:06 PM
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6. I think wearing down the base is what the party wants
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:06 PM by DJ13
They would prefer to see a GOP revival because the party is controlled by the corporate wing (DLC/New Dems), and they wanted to shift right after the election.

The base just gets in their way.

My idea is to vote (straight ticket Dem) out of spite, dont let them wear you down.

The greatest revenge is to keep the Democrats in control of both houses of Congress, which will slow them from moving right.

I guarantee THAT would piss off our party leadership more than not voting and seeing the GOP take control of one (or both) houses of Congress.

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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:08 PM
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8. That would piss off the DLC gang.
No question.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:13 PM
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11. It would piss off the DLC gang, but we'd still be stuck with a DLC controlled party.
It's a lose/lose situation.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:11 PM
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10. I really don't care about pissing them off. i don't care about anything
it doesn't matter who is elected. We live in an oligarchy and it's not going to change. I used to believe a revolution was going to happen in this country. I don't believe it anymore.

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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:35 PM
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26. I agree with you. I will vote, but mainly to not listen to others complain.
I do not think there are any non-violent solutions, but I am not violent.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:43 PM
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35. That's it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Wow, such cynicism
But I can't argue with you. Their tactics make it hard to believe otherwise.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:10 PM
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9. You wouldn't have posted here if you didn't give a damn.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:11 PM by Dawgs
I feel sorry for you.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Save your pity.
It's a waste of emotion.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:15 PM
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14. If you started voting in 1978...
...then you were voting in 1980 when Reagan beat Carter....

...and in 1994 when the Newt Gingrich took over the House of Representatives....

...and in 2000 when GWB beat Al Gore.....

You can argue that you're unhappy, you can argue that changes haven't been fast enough, but you cannot argue that Republicans coming to power won't be profoundly worse.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:21 PM
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17. It will be worse. No doubt.
And, I still don't give a damn.

Regardless of who wins...the poor are going to get screwed, because the rich will be in control.

Doesn't matter which party screws us....we're still screwed.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:18 PM
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15. No vote, no voice.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:23 PM
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19. yeah, i used to say that, too. Now, I say
vote or no vote....no voice. Where was my voice during the health care negotiations? Obama? No. Democrats in Congress? No. Democratic Senators? No.

We voted them in....still didn't get a voice.


To hell with them.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Your choice.
But you've lost the right to bitch, remember that.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Not going to
bitch. I don't give a damn.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:37 PM
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28. When was the first amendment abolished?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Just because you have the right to speak does NOT mean you have the right to be taken seriously.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:42 PM by BzaDem
It also doesn't mean you have the right not to be mocked and laughed at when you feel the consequences of your own actions.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
47. Hasn't been.
But I'll turn away when he says something. If he doesn't care and won't fight, then nothing he says matters.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:26 PM
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21. So you're not going to vote?
and you're promoting that here at DU?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:28 PM
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22. I'm not promoting it. I'm not telling you not to vote.
I'm just telling you why I'm not voting.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:36 PM
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27. What a cheap shot!
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 10:00 PM by Individualist
If you've read his posts, you know very well he's talking about his vote, not encouraging others to not vote.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
69. Maybe your tears will heal his wounds
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:28 PM
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23. Surprised you werent more upset a few years ago during the Bush/Cheney regime.
I sure was. Now I feel incredibly relieved except that now I am beginning to become worried that we could easily fall back into an even worse Republican nightmare especially when people even in my own party have such short memories.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:33 PM
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25. I get it, I understand it
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:34 PM by nadinbrzezinski
but I still cannot join you and trust me I am the worst cynic ever.

I still see this as a duty... so I will vote. What I will not do is work for anybody...

Oh and as to the Revolution it is happening. It started in 1948, the counter revolution to the New Deal... I don't know what it will take for that counter revolution to this one to start. But that is the rhythm of US History.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:37 PM
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29. Glad you understand.
Glad you are voting.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:37 PM
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30. Are there no
State or local issues that are important to you? None? Even our local city council election will get me to the polls.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:40 PM
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32. i would ALMOST go to the polls to vote for Roy Barnes...
...because of his stance on education. But, as long as Arne Duncan is Ed. Secy. there's nothing much he can do.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:41 PM
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34. What was the last straw?
if there was one?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Arne Duncan and Race to the Top...
on top of all the other capitulation of Democrats.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:46 PM
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38. If you think Arne Duncan and Race to the Top are bad, you should just wait until you are forced to
reap what you sow, and Republicans take power. Not Bush style Republicans, who will enact No Child Left Behind and then stop. Republicans who cut funding by orders of magnitude more than funding is getting cut in the current Recession. Republicans who institute voucher programs that ACTUALLY end public schools as we know it (as opposed to the nonsense claims that this is happening now).
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. i'm a school teacher.
It's happening now. And, Obama is for it.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:50 PM
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44. Again, the mere fact that you are SAYING it is happening it now is proof that you have no clue
If you think that it is NEARLY as bad now as it will be under the next Republican, you do not have a clue by definition. Whether or not you are a school teacher or a cop or a firefighter does not change that.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. All your bashing will not get that poster to the polls
in her view things ARE THAT BAD and are being enabled by Democrats in power.

She is correct by the way... they are being enabled by the conservadems...

But hell, whatever.

This public shaming ain't helping. Instead you should ask the question you will not... WHY? After all our wonderful voting ratios are the lowest in Western Democracies. Have you ever asked WHY?

You just got an answer, but go ahead... demean and make fun.

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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:00 PM
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54. Oh, I don't suspect it will. Only one Palin enactment after another will do that.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 10:01 PM by BzaDem
I do ask why, but for a different question. Why do we continue to coddle posters like the OP? They openly admit they want to take an action that aides and enables Republicans. So why don't we simply say "don't let the door hit your *%$ on the way out?"

I don't see people here defending Republicans. Why defend Republican enablers? How are they ANY different than Republicans, in terms of damage to our country?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:04 PM
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59. I ain't coddling anybody, except in your imagination
Chew on this, cause you ain't helping



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For the record, I don't expect you to see in the OP the immense cynicism that is now part and parcel of the US political system... that is of interest to Political Scientists, not partisans.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #36
48. So sad that the people who've been in it the longest
or working the hardest are falling by the wayside. Active and caring citizens are burning out one by one.

I still have some fight left, but I can't say I blame you. In the back of my mind, I'm wondering what's going to happen to make me say "fuck it".
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:46 PM
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37. Order two Feingold bumper stickers and call us
in the morning.

His state or your state -- makes no difference.

Some of us would urge you to give a damn.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:47 PM
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40. Why do you try to coddle or pamper people who openly admit they will aide and enable Republicans?
I never got that. People who will withhold their vote (aiding and enabling Republicans) should be treated no differently than people who aide and enable Republicans from the right. They are doing the EXACT SAME damage to the country.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Yet, when Obama enables Republicans by caving in to them??
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. The problem is that what you just said is completely false.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:54 PM by BzaDem
Every major bill passed the Senate with the minimum number of votes required, and not a vote more.

But don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit narrative.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. And, yet, he kept giving away stuff to try and make the bills bipartisan...
but, don't let the facts get in the way of a good narrative.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:02 PM
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56. Except, as usual, your post is the exact opposite of the truth.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 10:04 PM by BzaDem
He "gave away stuff" to get enough DEMOCRATS to vote for it for till to pass.

The idea that he gave away stuff to make the bill bipartisan is just as much of a falsehood as the idea that Obama was born in Kenya.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. And, that is bullshit. He had the votes for the public option in reconciliation...
he had promised it away at the beginning of the negotiations. Again, check your facts.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. The public option would not have passed the HOUSE the second time around, let alone the Senate.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 10:12 PM by BzaDem
Too many house members who originally supported the House bill with the PO voted against the bill, and not enough PO supporters made up for their defections. The House made the Senate promise IN WRITING not to add any provisions to the reconciliation bill.

And in any event, the PO would have been whittled down to nothing once the Republicans challenged provisions of it with the Byrd rule.

But of course, looking at these nuances requires actual thinking and analysis (as opposed to you just peddling a false narrative).
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. Oh, and I suppose it was Republicans who came up with that winner
of an idea of making states compete for education funds.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Oh, today's Republicans would have just turned off federal education funding entirely. n/t
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 10:13 PM by BzaDem
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #40
51. Uh, I agree.
Who is it you think I'm coddling?

I've put up one or two posts on this site in fairly strong support of Democrats and am not especially known for my love of the GOP.

I simply called on the OP to give a damn.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Sorry, my bad.
Replied to wrong post.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. We're cool, BzaDem. We live far away from each other
but I hope you'll let me buy you a figuartive cold beer this election night in November.

And here's hoping we have a huge turnout, too!

:thumbup:
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:04 PM
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58. Here's hoping. :) n/t
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:48 PM
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42. i have a similar record, and ive never been so sickened with my party.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:49 PM by meow mix
this whitehouse is shit.

regardless i guess im voting, i suppose...
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:50 PM
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45. As tired as you may be, you've got to keep pressing on.
Trust me, as an educator, I may be school reformed out of my own job by the leadership of my own political party.

That's a really depressing thought.

However, I still have a civic responsibility to elect the best possible candidates out of the options presented. It's bad now, but it can and will be worse if we sit back and do nothing.

We should still work for change... starting at the local level and working our way up.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. As a 7th grade school teacher, I feel your pain.
I've worked for change. Was promised change we can believe in.

Got shit.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. Hey, we still have to fight.
I fight for my kids -- and to preserve a system that gives them a shot to make something of themselves.

We can't just throw in the towel and give up. That's not an option. That's what the other side is counting on. Teachers unions across this country, AFT and NEA along with other organizations are going to have to unite to elect more progressive candidates and beat back privitization attempts.

We can do this. We just have our work cut out for us. I always try to remind myself that there really are more of us than them. We just have to mobilize.

:grouphug:
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:06 PM
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61. I respect your decision
I'll vote, but haven't decided if I'll vote in every race.
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Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. I will be voting in Novembeer for sure
and I will vote a straight Dem ticket. There is no way in hell that I will allow giving a vote for a repuke.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:43 PM
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67. Yes, I understand this sentiment
and decline to elaborate for fear I'll say something I'll regret.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:51 PM
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68. 1978 and 1992 were big majorities
Maybe even bigger. Why does it disappoint you now and not then?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:23 PM
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70. Are you leaving DU or
will you stick around to spread pessimism? Oh, and it's funny how so many "democrats" who have been democrats their "entire life" are having a change of heart now that Obama's in office.
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