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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 07:18 PM
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Dan Webster’s Religious “Family Values” – Disguised Misogyny: Former Gothard devotee speaks out
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 08:03 PM by Shallah Kali
Webster is NOT a Victim ~ Let’s Keep it That Way
http://godsownparty.com/blog/2010/09/christian-dominionist-candidate-webster

Women are conditioned to be submissive to their husbands, discouraged from using birth control, and prohibited from working outside the home. Gothard-style worldview and lifestyle overburdens women, enslaves the daughters and destroys families.
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Vyckie Garrison was involved with Webster ally, Bill Gothard’s teachings for 14 years; after following the fundamentalist teachings of the ‘Quiverfull’ movement, Garrison was subjected to mental abuse and told to ignore medical advice not to have more children because her job as a woman was to obey God by submitting to her husband – an act that allegedly afforded her physical and spiritual protection.
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“On the surface, Bill Gothard’s wholesome message seems to promote happy family life, but in actual practice, the lifestyle perpetuates heavy burdens and unrealistic standards for women.
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“Gothard’s teachings stress that safe and proper, ‘godly’ living comes from submission to authority.A woman must submit to any and all whims of her husband, including all types of domestic abuse,” said Garrison. “Anyone concerned about women’s equality and empowerment should be alarmed by this religious movement.”



More on Webster and gothard here:

'Gothard even advises a wife whose husband chastises her to say, "God, thank you for this beating.'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9227063

Vyckie's blog w/other women who have left, or escaped, quiverful and similar opressive religious teachings:
http://nolongerquivering.com/

Razing Ruth, a blog by a young woman who escape her gothard following parent's attempts to force her to marry: http://razingruth.blogspot.com/
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 07:24 PM
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1. Webster will regret making this an issue!
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 07:42 PM
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2. Grayson got it right
"Taliban Dan" indeed. :eyes:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 07:51 PM
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4. Grayson got it REALLY right, and Jon Stewart is wrong on this, sorry, reading all the SHIT that
Taliban Dan advocates, he deserves to be called that - his belief system is no different in many regards to that of the actual Taliban.


Three Cheers for the wonderful Congressman from the great state of Florida!

:applause:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 07:51 PM
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3. this guy is a pervert
honestly, how freaking sick is it to tell women to put up with physical abuse?

I feel really, really sorry for any girl who has to have the misfortune of knowing him or being a part of his church. In fact, I think that parents who teach these things to their children are abusive and are not worthy of the children they have.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 08:20 PM
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5. I have ONE question
where in the hell did all these type of people who are tea bags and republicans come from. What are they --aliens? Exiled to this planet because other worlds would have nothing to do with them.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 08:36 PM
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6. Dominionists are a far greater threat to U.S. democracy than the Taliban/al-Qaeda
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 08:39 PM
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7. the Gothard movement
I became aware of Bill Gothard and his followers and creed about 30 years ago, actually went to one of his seminars with some friends. The whole belief system "seems" good and wholesome, but when carefully examined, is truly frightning to me, because it encourages "cultish" fundamentalism. Some of my friends left their church and joined another one which taught his teachings. Another one who attended the seminar eventually became a religious right-winger, politically. Most of us were not convinced. I hadn't heard of Gothard, thought he might have died. Just guessed from reading posts that Grayson's opponent is one of these Gothard types, correct? He's got a fight on his hands. Those people are not rational.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 08:42 PM
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8. The Duggars and Andrea Yates both belonged to this movement.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 08:59 PM
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9. whoops, extra post
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 09:04 PM by Shallah Kali
got an error message, reposted it so sorry...
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:03 PM
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10. church shooter Matthew Murry was trained up Gothard: The Nightmare of Christianity by Max Blumenthal
Duggars definitely are, don't know about Yates tho...



Matthew Murry was trained up Gothard: The Nightmare of Christianity by Max Blumenthal

http://www.thenation.com/article/nightmare-christianity

A few miles down the road from Colorado Springs , in the quiet bedroom community of Eldredge, a deeply disturbed young man named Matthew Murray followed the unfolding debacle at New Life Church with an interest that bordered on obsession. Murray, a sallow-faced, bespectacled 24-year-old, had been indelibly scarred by a lifetime of psychological abuse at the hands of his charismatic Pentecostal parents. Murray's mind became crowded with thoughts of death, destruction, and the killings he would soon carry out in the name of avenging what he called his "nightmare of Christianity."

On an online chat room for former Pentecostals, Murray heaped contempt on his mother, Loretta, a physical therapist who homeschooled him to ensure that his contact with the outside world was severely limited. "My 'mother,'" Murray wrote, "is just a brainswashed church agent cun,t . The only reason she had me was because she wanted a body/soul she could train into being the next Billy Graham..."

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...my mother was into all the charismatic "fanatical evangelical" insanity. Her and her church believed that Satan and demons were everywhere in everything. The rules were VERY strict all the time. We couldn't have ANY christian or non-christian music at all except for a few charismatic worship CDs. There was physical abuse in my home. My mother although used psychotropic drugs because she somehow thought it would make it easier to control me (I've never been diagnosed with any mental illness either). Pastors would always come and interrogate me over video games or TV watching or other things. There were NO FRIENDS outside the church and family and even then only family members who were in the church. You could not trust anyone at all because anyone might be a spy.

An authoritarian Christian-right self-help guru named Bill Gothard created the home-schooling regimen implemented by Murray's parents. Like his ally James Dobson, Gothard first grew popular during the 1960s by marketing his program to worried evangelical parents as anti-hippie insurance for adolescent children. Based on the theocratic teachings of R. J. Rushdoony, who devised Christian schools and home-schooling as the foundation of his Dominionist empire, Gothard's Basic Life Principles outlined an all-consuming environment that followers could embrace for the whole of their lives. According to Ron Henzel, a one-time Gothard follower who co-authored a devastating exposé about his former guru called A Matter of Basic Principles, under the rules, "large homeschooling families abstain from television, midwives are more important than doctors, traditional dating is forbidden, unmarried adults are 'under the authority of their parents' and live with them, divorced people can't remarry under any circumstance, and music has hardly changed at all since the late nineteenth century."
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:23 PM
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11. Grayson was very correct, Jon Stewart has no context for
what he said at all. In fact, he should do some reading and report on the woman hating lunatics he seemed to defend and dismiss in his gusto to go after Grayson.
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