nytimes reporting on beck rally / nytimes reporting on one nation rally

[spanone]

Published: August 28, 2010

At Lincoln Memorial, a Call for Religious Rebirth



WASHINGTON — An enormous and impassioned crowd rallied at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial this weekend, summoned by Glenn Beck, a conservative broadcaster who called for a religious rebirth in America at the site where the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous “I Have a Dream” speech exactly 47 years earlier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html

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Published: October 2, 2010

Liberal Groups Rally, Challenging Tea Party



WASHINGTON — Tens of thousands of union members, environmentalists and peace activists rallied at the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday, seeking to carry on the message of jobs and justice that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. trumpeted at a rally at the same site 47 years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/us/03rally.html?scp=3&sq=one%20nation%20rally&st=cse

[TexasObserver]

1. recommend

[Stuart G]

2. K and R

[spanone]

3. i suspect this was the reporting 'lean' across the country

[The Uncola]

4. Such as it always is.

Is anyone surprised?

The One Nation Rally is almost invisible if you go by the amount of media it's getting.

I'd venture to say why, but I know what (who) that would bring out...

meh.

[spanone]

6. not always. there was a time when newspapers didn't editorialize in their reporting.

that's why editorial pages were instituted

the beck story sounds like it was written by an ad agency.

the one nation story sounds like it was written by a depressed intern.

[The Uncola]

9. Just a little..

.. hyperbole, my friend. It only seems like always these days.

[spanone]

10. it sure does

:hi:

[Better Believe It]

41. 596 news articles on October 2nd march on Washington according to Google. Hardly a news blackout.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Holy shit.

This came out of the same newspaper?

[pinto]

7. Good catch. Thanks.

:thumbsup:

[spanone]

8. depressing as hell. that damned liberal new york times.

[liberal N proud]

11. It is impossible to get a fair shake in the Right Wing M$M

[spanone]

12. i see more evidence of that everyday.

[Synnical]

13. My Journalism teacher would be very, very angry.

As I am.

Thanks for this.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[HughBeaumont]

14. Well, look at that. An American Newspaper downplays and condescends a Democratic event.

A month earlier, they trumped up FailFest 2010 to be the Second Coming of the March on Washington . . . you know, except without the whole "struggle against oppression and bigotry", the tolerance, a clear message, a diverse audience, and with 1/3rd as many people.

Color me SHOCKED!

Buncha corporate PIGS is what they are.

[spanone]

15. ...and this is the liberal new york times.

[Qutzupalotl]

20. You forgot the scare quotes.

[newtothegame]

26. "seeking to carry on the message of jobs and justice that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr..."

That's downplayed and condescending? WTF?? :shrug:

[glinda]

16. MSM should be ashamed of itself for promoting hate groups.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

17. There Was An Article In The Columbus Disgrace This Morning (On Page 3)

The article never bothered to give the number of people that attended the One Nation rally, nor did it even give an estimate. It only made one allusion to the number of attendees by informing the reader that the crowd, "was not packed together as tightly as the group that attended the Glenn Beck rally." So, in essence, the Columbus Disgrace........er, Dispatch.........a well-known right-wing rag, was saying that Glenn Beck drew more people to his rally than the One Nation rally did. Funny how they never mentioned that 87,000 went to Beck's little Klan Rally while satellite estimates for the One Nation rally put the crowd at between 175,000 to 200,000. I'd be interested to hear how a crowd between 2 and 3 times LARGER than Beck's wasn't "packed together as tightly." Besides, I SAW the pictures of Beck's little shindig. Once you got to the reflecting pool, everyone there could hold their arms out straight to their sides without touching anyone else.

[Scurrilous]

18. K & R

:thumbsup:

[hfojvt]

19. I don't see a huge difference

exxept for the use of the value-laden and vague word 'enormous'. It is unfortunate if this is true "Significant areas of the National Mall that had been filled during Mr. Beck’s rally were empty."

[onpatrol98]

28. I didn't see a big difference either...

With imitation being the truest form of flattery, I was a bit surprised when I heard about the One Nation rally. I wanted any memory of Beck's rally, long gone.

We knew that crowd sizes would be compared. I was reading somewhere else where the comparison was like...average Americans making their way to Washington versus people being bused in by unions. Fair and unbiased?

Clearly an unfair meme. I think Beck's rally has rather...."tainted" a great spot. Now, the media appears to want to compare every rally size to that one.

And, if they don't want to see the crowd sizes as equal, they can easily point out more sparsely populated areas.

[valerief]

21. NYT = Rich people = Right Wing. That's how it rolls in the U.S. nt

[SteveM]

22. Ain't no-o-o-o-body wants the "Left" around...

The country isn't polarized, it just smells that way.

[elleng]

23. C-Span reran this weekend's rally this morning.

[JDPriestly]

24. The Times should be called on this.

Note the subtle differences in word choice:

In the article on Fox's rally: Dr. King "delivered his famous 'I Have A Dream' speech."

In the article on the Oct. 2 rally, Rev. King "trumpeted . . . the message of jobs and justice."

Same site, same speech, same speaker, Martin Luther King, Jr. but in the first article the newspaper used a term with a positive connotation -- "delivered" with regard to to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s speech.

In the second article, the Times used a term with that suggest ridicule, exaggeration, a demeaning term with a pejorative connotation -- "trumpeted."

That says it all. The Times should be called on this. This is inexcusable. And it is what the mainstream press does all the time.

[spanone]

25. subtle, yet not at all....

[JDPriestly]

38. And since few Americans study literature, understand how to read beyond

the most superficial interpretation of the words, the manipulation is not noticed.

[newtothegame]

27. What exactly are we supposed to be looking for here?

:shrug:

Seems like a pretty desperate search for controversy.

[nichomachus]

29. Not at all

"union members, environmentalists, and peace activists" -- all dog whistles for the wingnuts. They have been taught to hate those groups. So, it's a slam out of the gate. Each one of those is a slur in Teabagger talk. When my wingnut family wants to put someone down, they refer to them as

- liberal
- activist
- environmentalist
- union member
- socialist

[newtothegame]

31. Wait a minute; we're supposed to be offended by being called peace activists? or environmentalists?

You've totally lost me. What exactly am I supposed to be called if I'm for peace, or pro-environmental regulation?

on edit: I guess my question is, how exactly would you have worded it differently? I don't see how referring to someone as a peace activist or environmentalist could be viewed as having an agenda; what liberal isn't proud to be pro-peace or pro-environment? :shrug:

[Erose999]

32. The story on Beck's hate rally just said "an impassioned crowd" the story on One Nation pigeonholes

us as "activists" and "environmentalists" and "union members". Basically they are trying to "other" us and say that we aren't "everyday Americans".

[Erose999]

33. Also the story on One Nation includes info about the rallys sponsors and organizers

NAACP, Sierra Club, SEIU, La Raza, etc etc

Even though One Nations sponsors are actually Grassroots, the NYT went a lot deeper into the organization than it did for Beck's event. There was no mention of the corporate sponsorship there, or the Astroturfing groups like Freedomworks that were involved.

[newtothegame]

36. Again, I am not ashamed that NAACP, Sierra Club, SEIU, La Raza were sponsors. nt

[Erose999]

40. Me either, I'm quite proud infact. I just think they should have reported who Beck's sponsors were

and given his event the same level of reporting/scrutiny.

[spanone]

30. if you see no difference, then i guess there is none

[HughBeaumont]

35. Look at the code wording, Mr Devil's Advocate For Every Goddamned Post.

The labeling is what's condescending. "Liberal", "Environmentalist" and "Activist" are American bad words since Reagan, in case you weren't aware.

The article goes on to point out the lesser attendance and gives credence to the Beck lie that his supporters "paid their own way while unions ferried their supporters in". Total bullshit. More than a few attendees for FailFest were bused in by Freedomworks and the Koch's.

[newtothegame]

37. I'm not ashamed to be a liberal, environmentalist or activist.

Enough of your corporatist bs. Ignored.

[HughBeaumont]

39. Yeah, I'm a corporatist. That makes sense.

Enjoy being entitled to your own facts.

[dave29]

34. yes, and yesterday one outlet (can't remember which)

was opining about whether or not these rallies were even useful. I am certain they prob reported on the significance and importance of Beck's rally.

[Better Believe It]

42. Enormous media coverage. 596 news articles according to google search. Hardly a news blackout

Which some insisted would occur.

[spanone]

43. not a peep about a news blackout in the op.

:shrug: :hi:

[Better Believe It]

44. I know. But didn't you read the numerous pre-march posts that predicated a news blackout and

used that as an excuse for not supporting the march?

I remember reading them.