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Elmore Furth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:27 PM
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Jon Stewart, friends mock Rick Sanchez at charity event
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 05:44 PM by Elmore Furth
American tribalism has again reared it's ugly head. The Republicans say Obama is not like us, contaminated by his exposure to Islam and liberal ideas in the past. Now Rick Sanchez says Jon Stewart is not like us, contaminated by his being a Jew. Wow. What stupidity. We all carry baggage from our ethnic roots. So what? We can celebrate our differences or we can magnify them.

The Republican Party and the Tea Party are the political preference of white, Christian heterosexual males in the United states. What they call 'class warfare' is the reaction of the non-white, non-christian, non-males or non-hetersexual reaction to the social and economic engineering the Right Wing is trying shove down our throat.



Comedy Central's Night of Too Many Stars, where Jon Stewart played host in New York Saturday night, had several of them lining up to take shots at CNN's Rick Sanchez, reports USA TODAY's Gary Levin.

Anchor and reporter Sanchez, a frequent target for mockery on Stewart's Daily Show, called him a "bigot" in a radio interview last week and said CNN and other media were run by "people like him." CNN promptly fired Sanchez. The jokes at his expense were never based on his Hispanic heritage: "The only issue is he's a meathead doofus," explained correspondent John Oliver at the after-party.

Opening the three-hour taping, Stewart suggested that donors feeling guilty about something should pony up the bucks for the benefit's good cause, raising funds to educate autistic children: "If you dented a car, $50. If you cheated on something to get ahead, $500. And if you went on radio and said Jews run the media, in that case you better hold onto your money," he said. Surprise guest David Letterman got into the act, explaining he was in Manhattan over the weekend helping Sanchez "clean out his office," and even former NBC anchor Tom Brokaw joked that he and Stewart had more in common than each thought: "In junior high I didn't want to sit next to Rick Sanchez either."

But it wasn't all topical humor at the benefit, which airs Oct. 21 as part of a telethon,live from Los Angeles. In fundraising gambits, Tina Fey sought donations with a Photoshopped "Tina Fey swimsuit calendar," since "sadly, the Tina Fey glasses calendar did not sell well."



Jon Stewart, friends mock Rick Sanchez at charity event

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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:35 PM
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1. I was hoping
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 05:36 PM by WeekendWarrior
that Stewart would stay classy about all this and simply refrain from commenting.

I guess I was wrong.

And I LIKE Stewart.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Yes, this is not what I expected from Jon Stewart. Sad really.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:48 PM
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3. Oh bullshit
Sanchez deserves much more ridicule for his blatant antisemitism.

He's a fucking comedian and you want him to refrain talking about this...

Too funny.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:23 PM
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10. He has a right to talk about it, but
I just hoped he'd take the high road, unlike Sanchez.

Yeah, he's a comedian, but that doesn't make him OBLIGATED to talk about it.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. You do know Stewart is a comedian and Jewish...right
And being that he owns the media why wouldn't he joke about it?
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Shall we call CNN and have them fire you now?
Yes, I know you're being sarcastic, but honestly, are comedians not allowed to show sensitivity?

Maybe Sanchez is a douchebag, but that doesn't mean Stewart has to be one, too.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:39 PM
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17. Better be careful with the use of the term douchebag here on DU...bub
That's misogynist.

And it is obvious you are not a comedian and therefore you have NO comic license.

:hide: :rofl:
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. That term is SO accurate I have and will use it on a regular basis
And one I like even better is douchenozzle.

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Sanchez called Stewart a bigot and Stewart is suposed to show
SANCHEZ sensativity???

:crazy:


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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Yes.
It's called taking the high road. I know that's a foreign concept to some people here, and lord knows we've all taken the low road a few times, but is it really necessary to retaliate? I know that's human nature, but is it really necessary?
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:02 PM
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26. YES
The high road is for losers. I am sick to death of dems always being told to "take the high road."

Fuck that SIDEWAYS on a gravel driveway.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. You're obscuring the issue
This isn't about Dems versus Republicans, but about two human beings, one of whom is a buffoon, the other of whom should have the decency to know when to back off.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:31 PM
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39. backing off someone who said...on tape...without shame...that Jews control the media?
...Really?

Maybe you think "they" DO control the media?
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. I think the media is controlled by rich men who couldn't care less about religious or political
ideology as long as they're making bundles of money.

Don't turn this into a smear against me. That's REALLY the low road.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #31
76. LOL, which is which?
--imm
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #26
77. If I could recommend a comment, I would recommend yours!
HELL YES!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #24
62. You sound personally offended by Jon's actions...are you okay?
Wow, he did nothing really much less than anyone expected (Jon) but for some reason you took it personally. Sorry.

Jon is very classy, your definition of the high road lacks any merit in this situation.

NT.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #62
70. You're mistaken
This has nothing to do with the personally. I REALLY admire Stewart (I watch the show every night) and I guess I just expected him not to go after the guy. I was kind of hoping he'd come on his show and say, "You know, this guy is a bonehead and says and does boneheaded things and we make fun of him a lot around here, but as much as I dislike what he said about me and others, I'm not going to gloat and kick a guy while he's down."

Not funny, maybe, but certainly classy.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #24
82. It never said STEWART mocked Sanchez, it said that the guests did.
But you keep stirring that pile.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #15
84. And who says Stewart is a douchebag? You? And who are you? nm
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 11:49 PM
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87. I stand corrected
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 11:52 PM by WeekendWarrior
I LIKE Stewart. I watch his show every night and happen to think he's one of the most talented satirists we've ever seen.

Edited, because you're right. I DID call him a douchebag more or less, right after calling Sanchez one.

And as much as I like Stewart, going after Sanchez now is a douchey move.

As far as who I am? A person with an opinion, just like you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
63. Thanks alphafemale. You provided My laugh of the day.
And it has been a pretty funny day.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. you were wrong because you were hoping for something stupid.
fail
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. Yeah, you're right. I guess it's stupid to hope that
people will behave like decent human beings and not kick somebody when he's down.

I think Sanchez is an idiot, but I find no glee in the guy losing his job no matter how boneheaded he may be.

Sorry for being sympathetic. I try to do better next time.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #12
85. You are being sympathic to an asshole. Why? He deserved to lose his job. Why are you supporting
him?
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. Glen BECK deserves to lose his job. Rush Limbaugh deserves
to lose his job. Lou Dobbs should have lost his job years before he actually did with his constant immigrant bashing.

And, frankly, Sanchez's show SUCKED. He came across as someone who is arrogantly ignorant.

But he lost his job because of this:

"Yeah, very powerless people. He's such a minority. I mean, you know, please. What are you kidding? I'm telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?"

Yes, it's a sad, sad comment. It shows his bigotry -- although I'd argue he's NOT necessarily saying that Jews run the media as has been quoted everywhere -- and it was really fucking stupid thing to say.

But it seems to me that someone who says something like this should be given a chance to explain, apologize, then be warned that if it happens again, he's gone. I come from an upbringing that says EVERYONE deserves a second chance. EVERYONE deserves the benefit of the doubt. I come from a philosophy that says you need to look at the entire context of the situation and try to figure out what factors led to this outburst rather than simply slap a label on a guy, show him the door, and condemn him forever.

Bottom line, none of us is perfect. I know I'm not. And I very much doubt that you are.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #86
94. Rush Limbaugh did lose his job for his comments about Donovan McNabb
Remember how short lived his stay with ESPN was?
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. True, but
he's still wailing away with his trash talk on radio. Why is a radio network any less accountable than a television network?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. I think it would be stranger if he Didn't comment
but I'm not really sure.
Sanchez is getting a massive beating, but then he was a massive thoughtless asshole with what he said so :shrugs:
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. I might have agreed with you a few years ago...
But with all that is happening to our country, this shit is serious.

Sanchez fucked up, and a few gentle kicks to his face and head might serve as a caution to the other motor-mouths out there.

I can't wait for Jon's comments on monday.... Pull out all the stops, Jon.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. I take the view that the motor-mouths can say whatever the hell they want
But that's beside the point.

I just thought Stewart had more class than to kick a guy when he's down, no matter what he might have said. Obviously, I misjudged him.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. Thank you for having some sense of decency. We've
turned into a cruel society. Kick someone when they're down. They got him fired, but that isn't enough, let's stomp all over him now, he's not HUMAN after all since he said something that offends us.

I never much liked Sanchez frankly. Sometimes he was good, but I always felt he was trying too hard to be outrageous.

He was stupid, probably jealous of Stewart's success. Who knows, we have more qualified people for these jobs, but the media goes for the sensational now, in emulating Fox.

However, the guy lost his job. Stewart and the rest of them showed a real lack of class as you pointed out, and are not doing anything to educate people about prejudice, in fact they are only helping to gain sympathy for someone who badly needs to learn why he got people riled up.

You are right, even if you are in the minority on this so-called progressive board on this, imho.

He's fired, move on, have some class, end the mocking and ganging up on people when they have already been dealt with. It's disturbing. And cowardly, since he has no means of responding. The more I think of it, the more I realize I lost a little respect for Jon Stewart today.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. We talk about bullies and
how terrible they are. Well, bullies are all about ridicule, going after the weakest guy in the room and destroying him.

Right now Sanchez is the weakest guy in the room. Why don't we just leave him be?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. Yes, we talk about bullying, but given an opportunity to be part
of the 'cool kids' crowd it looks like for some, even for those we would not expect it from, it's irresistible. Sanchez doesn't have a way to respond to this mockery right now. It was cheap and disturbing. But so very American these days, from both sides of the aisle, apparently.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. That's the sad part to me
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 07:24 PM by WeekendWarrior
I understand that many liberals/progressives are frustrated right now for the lack of backbone our representatives seem to have. But there's a HUGE difference between backbone and mean-spiritedness. You don't have to be an asshole to get what you want. You just have to be forceful and right. Be willing to put yourself out there to help people see and understand the truth.

To me, being a liberal means a willingness to accept people's weaknesses, to forgive and forget, and to hopefully help them grow and learn from an experience.

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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. It was Rick Sanchez's choice to turn himself into the ball at a T-ball game
Jon Stewart has been consistent in not letting pompous a**holes get away with it:

Bernie Goldman

James Kramer

Glenn Beck
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. I've never had a problem with Stewart making fun of the guy before this
I just think it would have been nice that since Sanchez has had about the worst thing happen to a career that can happen that Stewart might show some class.

Do we really need to kick this guy? Hasn't he kicked himself enough?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
18. Why would Stewart refrain from commenting?
What Sanchez said was at best, bone-headed dumb and at worst, viciously racist. If Jon had said nothing, that would be strange. If Sanchez had to leave his job because of a personal tragedy then yes, Stewart zinging him after-the-fact would be in poor taste. But Sanchez dug his own grave with a socially reprehensible tirade. Rick Sanchez deserves scorn and frankly, I think Mr. Stewart was pretty easy on him.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. I probably should have said refrain from ridiculing him
Does that work for you?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. No
Sanchez deserves ridicule. He's a media figure who said something that was blatantly indefensible. He's the Earl Butz of CNN.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. And you won't entertain the idea that
since he's been ridiculed for a long, long time before this incident for simply saying stupid things that were not necessarily bigoted but just dumb, that he finally snapped and said something REALLY stupid? Yes, he should have learned to take a joke and roll with it, but now we're ridiculing the guy because he basically had an on-air breakdown.

Yeah, that's real classy.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. I don't blame him for going off
I blame him for going off like a bigot. He ranted from his ID and it was ugly. If he was rendered unable to control his true feelings as you say, now we know what those true feelings are. Dude's got a long, fiery path before he can purge that stank offa his character.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. I agree
But that doesn't change a thing I've said.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. Then let me ask you something
Were you this compassionate when Dr. Laura instigated her most recent flame-out? Hey, at least she tried to apologize. Sanchez so far, hasn't said a word of regret.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. I'm compassionate in general
So I didn't jump up and down on Dr. Laura's grave and shout, "Ha ha, glad you're dead!" and post gleefully on DU about it. Am I glad she quit? Yes. That doesn't mean I have to stick another knife in and twist it.

Now had she been Dick Cheney, who I think is a war criminal who has personally cost thousands of human lives, the story would be different. But neither Sanchez's or Dr. Laura's stupidity rises to the level.

I say this all metaphorically, of course. I wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm advocating death here.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #51
61. I'm glad you're compassionate
I like to believe I am also compassionate. I think this may be the only Sanchez thread that I've commented on and don't think I'm expressing any sort of glee at his predicament.

In fact, my compassion came before when I kind of liked Rick. I thought the consistent razzing he got from TDS and Colbert was borderline cruel and as I said, I don't fault him for having lost his cool over it. But he crossed a line and the demarcation is quite clear to me.

I'm not going to dance because Sanchez is out but I'm not going to feel sorry for him. He's a big boy and he needs to take responsibility for what came out of his mouth. If he makes amends, I will be the first in line to praise him.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. I feel sorry for him on a basic human level
Just as I'd feel sorry for you if you were abruptly fired for saying something stupid -- even if you crossed the line and even though I don't know you from Adam.

But I also believe that we all have our prejudices which we struggle to control and diminish. And I hope the guy actually learns something from this and gets a second chance somewhere.

As long as I don't have to watch the show.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. I'm glad you're human
So am I! And as a human, I shall bid adieu to this thread. :hi:
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #34
68. No. He 'snapped' like Mel Gibson 'snapped'. The one had
the excuse that he was loaded, and Sanchez's excuse seems to be that he had been ridiculed before, etc. In each case they both said what they really believed, and it was ugly. That was no on-air breakdown - it was just the real Sanchez showing his face. Don't make excuses for a vicious anti-semite.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. You call it an excuse, I call it a reason.
And not everything is as cut and dried as you'd like it to be.

Do I like what he said? No. Doesn't mean I have to celebrate that he's down.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
44. He's a comedian for fuck's sake...
To not have said anything would grounds for him being forced to give up the comedy card.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
64. It was quite mild, and quite appropriate.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
6. stewart is not a politician...he's a comedian..his job is to mock
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
11. good for Jon!
why should he sit back

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
16. People like Sanchez say things like this and never get called on it.
This time he was called on it and canned. Rightfully so and hopefully will serve as an example of what happens when you spout crap on the airwaves. Dues should be paid for it.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
20. When we finish with Sanchez, can we go after Bush/Cheney?
nt
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
27. I always thought I was a pretty good judge of human nature
but I just don't understand those of you who seem to have this need to attack and ridicule a guy who did something both embarrassing and stupid. Yes, what he said was bigoted and he obviously paid a heavy price over that. But I'd wager that every single person on DU has said something bigoted in their lifetime (whether they realize it or not), but I doubt you'd appreciate being slapped in the face over and over again after you said it. You'd probably just say you're sorry and slink away and hope that's the end of it. And hopefully try not to do it again.

I just don't understand the glee some of you seem to get over stomping on the guy's head after he's down.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned.

And just so you understand, I'm not a Sanchez apologist. I personally could not stand to watch the guy for more than twenty seconds.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. You're NOT old-fashioned. This bullying thing, this kicking a guy
when he's down, is very, very old. We will have to evolve quite a bit before that old ritual is no longer acceptable. And we are, apparently, a long way from moving forward from those primitive acts.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. He asked for it. He's catching it.
He's a big boy. Fuck the high road.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Sad. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:24 PM
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Is that how you see what he is doing? Or was that just a way
to defend the bad behavior of Jon Stewart? The issue is decency. If you're right you don't have to act like a juvenile and pile on, stooping to the level of those you criticize. It was a sad display of bullying by grown-ups. There has been no trial, no conviction, the guy was fired, but that's not enough. Have to take cheap shots when the person cannot respond. It's cowardly, and diminished Stewart in many people's eyes.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:34 PM
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41. Don't waste your time, Sabrina
There are some people who just don't get it. Remember what Bush said? If you're not with us, you're against us. That's what some people who disagree with you do. They assume that because you're taking the sympathetic approach that you're somehow sympathizing with the "enemy." It doesn't matter that I've said I didn't particularly like Sanchez. They turn a blind eye to that fact. They don't have a cogent argument for their position, so they simply distort what you've said and tell you to fuck off.

Whatever. They're lost causes. So it's really a waste of time to address them further.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. I didn't say any of that stuff.
but don't let that interrupt your little fantasy
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. And, of course, none of it was implied, either -- right?
Give me a break.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
52. I guess you're right. I am just really sad that since Democrats
gained the majority, boards like this where you would never see the kind of things you saw mainly on rightwing boards, have changed drastically. Sometimes, especially since I spent a lot of time on rightwing boards during the Bush years, I think I've logged onto the wrong board.

Thanks for trying anyhow, hopefully some people will get it, being in the minority doesn't mean being wrong, more often than not :hi:
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. The funny thing is
I came back to DU recently to see if it has changed at all. After Obama was elected I saw so much hate here that, like you, I wondered if I was on the wrong board and decided to step away for a while. I had always thought of liberals and progressives as smart and fair-minded, but in some cases there have been very loud voices here that are just as ignorant and vitriolic as the wingnuts, who often use the excuse that "they did it for eight years so now it's OUR turn."

I'm not suggesting that that has much to do with the topic or the people on this thread. It's just a general observation about DU nowadways.

I used the word sad before and I'll use it again. I think it's sad and a shame.

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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
37. I agree with you.
And I've loathed that moron Rick Sanchez before it was cool. I was perfectly happy to see this guy self-destruct, but it's kind of like Stewart picking on a homeless street cat that's already had the shit kicked out of him at this point.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. Thank you
I believe that's three of us now.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #45
91. make it four.
posted friday night on another GD thread,
that i strongly felt Jon would take the high road & not pick on the dumass sanchez, after he lost his job.
and Jon's a guy whose been pretty decent - even to many of the neocon scumsuckers who appear on TDS.
sorry to see i was mistaken on this one.

cheers, man.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
46. But kicking people while their down is the new sport.
No longer does someone make a mistake and recover. Now if you make a mistake, you are ostracized from society, thrown out like a piece of garbage that is to never be seen again.
Why? - Because people are not important in modern society. We are just garbage in the eyes of many waiting for the moment to hit the can. Now all it takes for a completely life ruining event is one mistake.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:47 PM
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48. Define "mistake"
Rick Sanchez has spent years in front of the camera and he knows damned well better than to express his hidden bigotry in public. That wasn't a mistake. Those were his thoughts.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. And he got fired for it. So why the pile-on? Is losing his job
not enough? Sorry, but I lost some respect for Jon Stewart. He could have taken the high road. But then, that's not the kind of country we live in. It's not enough to win, we have to destroy!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:11 PM
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57. What pile-on?
He made one barely taunting reference, mere days after he was targeted in an anti-Semitic rant. In fact, during the entire program, there were only three Sanchez jokes and one of them came from Tom Brokaw. Hardly a pile-on.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. I could be wrong, but I don't
think she's referring only to Stewart's remarks.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
78. Correct, I was referring to the Stewart and the others who joined in.
I guess it becomes a sort of mob reaction. That's how it seemed to me anyhow.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #27
81. Bless your heart.
:)
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:49 PM
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49. In light of all the racist white guys who have been spewing their venom for years
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 07:52 PM by Cirque du So-What
I take no pleasure from knowing they're still polluting the airwaves while the corporate media decide to get tough, starting & ending with Rick Sanchez. Why him? Why now? Selective enforcement and cherry-picked outrage, it seems to me. Sure, bilious gasbag OxyRush got booted from his NFL gig, but he retained his day job. Cadaverous fuckhead Imus was kicked off one radio show, but he was back in fine fetter in no time flat.

I'm not trying to defend Rick Sanchez whatsoever; I think it was proper that he get yanked off the air for making those terrible statements. If only the corporate media reacted with equal measure whenever white talking heads made similarly racist statements about other ethnic groups, then the case of Rick Sanchez wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb - a virtual bubble of faux propriety in an ocean of unregulated bigotry.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. I suspect that
CNN was using Sanchez's comments as an excuse to get rid of him. There's a new boss in the office, the boss who hired Sanchez is gone, and I have a feeling the new guy wanted Sanchez gone, too. So Sanchez -- true to form -- handed them an excuse on a silver platter.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. Perhaps what you suspect is true
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 08:19 PM by Cirque du So-What
but it still looks for all the world as though Sanchez was singled out - a lone Latino amid a sea of bloviating whites who go on their merry, racist way - unmolested & uncontested. If the new boss was looking for any excuse to firer Sanchez, he did it in such a way as to give the appearance of selective enforcement.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #60
66. I would hope that
this had nothing to do with Sanchez being Latino and everything to do with him just not being very good at his job. But we'll probably never know.

But if you want to get really sick to your stomach, go to the E! online article about Stewart joking about Sanchez post-firing. Read some of the comments. It is just disgusting to me how unapologetically bigoted people can be -- and I don't mean against Sanchez.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. Whatever the intentions were
its appearance looks like shit. I'm not saying it was improper to fire the guy, but f'cryin' out loud, how long has Rash Limburger been running his mouth with impunity? CNN provided a soapbox & megaphone for Lou Dobbs to fearmonger about 'illegals' for how many years before quietly shuffling him off to Buffalo without undue fanfare? Perception counts for a lot, and from where I'm sitting, it looks like CNN singled out Rick Sanchez while looking the other way when other minorities are on the receiving end of some talking head's diatribe, especially when that talking head is white.
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. I agree with you
And I said as much either in this thread or another one about Sanchez. Lou Dobbs is a racist moron, yet he was able to spew his hate five days a week with impunity.

But like I said, we'll never know what was going on backstage.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #69
79. CNN also provided a megaphone for Glenn Beck for years.
Edited on Sun Oct-03-10 09:51 PM by sabrina 1
I remember when they hired him and people wrote in objecting to hiring him knowind him from radio show. CNN responded that the reason they don't listen to Liberals is they 'don't yell loud enough'.

So, he got his show, it had the worst ratings ever, I guess we meant it when we threatened to boycott the network. But they carried anyhow, until he was down to about 250,000 viewers and they couldn't keep him anymore. He was never chastised for anything he said.

So why did they fire Sanchez again? Not I ever watched him, I wasn't crazy about him and probably wouldn't have hired him in the first place. He seemed to be trying too hard to emulate the worst of the rabble-rousing rightwing. However, he was definitely an improvement over Beck who, as I said, they seemed very comfortable with.

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #69
89. Your comments about Lou Dobbs are SPOT ON
How the heck long and how the heck loud did people protest THAT psychopath for his blatantly racist rantings?? But because the folks he was raving against were brown and poor, CNN never did a damned thing to Lou Dobbs.

Thanks for reminding me of that. CNN's hypocrisy is sickening.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 12:19 AM
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88. Fantastic points. I think two conclusions can be drawn from your post
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 12:25 AM by Number23
in light of the fact that Glen Beck also still has his job even after calling the President of the US a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people or white culture."

Either a) It is a hundred times more unacceptable for a minority (ie Sanchez) to disrespect a white person than it is for a white person (ie Beck, Rush etc) to disrespect a person of color; or
b) CNN has much more journalistic integrity than Fox.

(Folks can decide for themselves which option they're going to go with. :))

Sanchez's comments were ridiculous and bigoted, but to me there is something HORRIBLY awry when an anchor/journalist calls a comedian a "bigot" and gets fired and another anchor/journalist calls the first black President of the United States a "racist" and doesn't even get so much as a suspension. Somebody's priorities are seriously f*cked up here.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 01:05 AM
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93. Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck were both on CNN for years.
Glenn Beck was well known as a rabid lunatic before they hired him. So, maybe you're right. It's okay for a White Guys to trash people of color, but not okay for a Hispanic guy to insult a White guy.

I wouldn't be surprised of Sanchez sues CNN. Depends on what is in his contract I suppose.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:05 PM
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55. "sadly, the Tina Fey glasses calendar did not sell well"
:rofl:


I would have bought one! It's the least we could do after she helped keep the country out of Sarah Palin's hands.


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:23 PM
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65. Good, Rick was a terrible news anchor and will end up on FoxNews.
They love crusty, idiot/assholes.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 08:51 PM
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74. K&R #8, but this could drive Rick to suicide. n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 09:15 PM
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75. Leave Rick Sanchez aloooooone!
The poor multi-millionaire is out of a job now with his only prospects being another seven-figure annual salary gig with Fox, where he'll play the martyr/victim card over and over again. He deserves our sympathy, not our ridicule! Can't you see?

The nitwit picked a snap fight with a professional. He deserves whatever is going to happen to him for as long as it continues to happen. Just because Sanchez got his ass canned is no reason the pros shouldn't make money off him; Sanchez has made plenty of money off of other people's misfortunes throughout his career.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 09:53 PM
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80. People like Sanchez and Thomas deserve to get it in the neck.
It shows people that there are consequences for spewing bigot-crap.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 10:36 PM
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83. Nowhere does it say that Stewart mocked Sanchez, it says the guests did. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 12:36 AM
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90. KICK ASS JON STEWART!!!
:kick:

Oh, and FUCK YOU to anyone who supports ANTI-SEMITISM in any way, shape, or form.

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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 12:42 AM
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92. Not in good taste nt
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 12:43 AM by Vehl
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:33 AM
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96. Going to verbal war with popular comedians
is never a good career choice, they will gut you in a way that most find funny.
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