HCR-pass it now, we'll fix it later

[Uben]

Uh, it's later now. What's being done to fix it? Does anyone know of anything being done? I was for HCR, hoping it would reel in outrageous insurance rate hikes. Aint workin too well.

[Lucky 13]

1. What are you complaining about? It's better than nothing!!

:sarcasm:

No but really. We were placated. A few good provisions (shiny objects) distracted us from many of the main issues and problems.

[MineralMan]

2. In national politics, "later" always refers to something that will

be done by the next Congress -- at least a year later. HCR passed not that long ago, you may remember, and is just now starting to take effect. It will not be in full effect until 2014. It is going to be very, very difficult to get major changes made before the current laws take full effect.

You are wanting something that cannot happen this soon after passage of HCR.

[LaurenG]

I am not familiar with parts of the bill

I know that starting Jan 2011 it will force all carriers to cover preventative services and pre-existing conditions in children, which is awesome (I know that down the line they will be forced to cover anyone with preexisting conditions as well. 2014 I think).

Do you know if the bill addresses the tremendous rate hikes the Insurers are awarding themselves? Or is *this something the new congresses down the line will be forced to deal with?



edit added *this

[bvar22]

12. Yeah, the Republicans are going to fix it.

LOL
They're going to fix the Health Insurance scam right after they fix the NAFTA scam.

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[kirby]

4. Seriously?

Most members, during these midterms, do not even want to bring up the subject of the Health Care Bill, must less talk about additional changes.

Also, they mentioned it in context of how Social Security evolved. It was passed in 1935 and was not expanded until 1939. It wasn't until 1956 that is was further amended to add disability, and 1965 to add Medicare.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Pass it now, we'll keep the health-ins lockin and defund the program.

Yeah team!

repeat:
We won't get fooled again and again and again and again and again .....
goto repeat

[handmade34]

6. much of the reform

has just recently gone into place... I was disappointed and want universal and/or single payer but it is what it is and fixing it later didn't mean within a year. Many changes that have taken place in society take many years if not decades.

[notesdev]

7. Everything is going according to plan

"Nobody panics when everything is going according to plan... even when the plan is horrifying."

For the record, this mess is proceeding exactly as I'd predicted it. The insurance companies are hiking rates in order to establish the desired profits threshold, some policies are now completely impossible to get, companies are ditching insured employees in favor of non-insured part-timers and contract workers. The fund-six-years-with-10-years'-revenue dodge is still there, and all the unrelated-to-health-care gotcha provisions are detonating on schedule.

And of course no fixes are even under discussion. You'd think that would be the high priority for the lame-duck session - but more likely, political payoffs will be the only agenda.

So congratulations to all of you who demanded health care "reform" be passed without actually performing any intelligent analysis of what was actually being done - the devastating losses coming this November can hang on your mantle as the trophy of your victory.

[SidDithers]

8. No, it's not "later" now...nt

Sid

[golddigger]

9. Why would they fix it? They have exactly the plan they wanted

all along.

[TheKentuckian]

10. Ohhh...thats a lie of a carrot to get you tolerate dogshit with a fine grate of truffle on top

There is no "fixing" this turkey in order to even make it serviceable as a tepid market based reform the thing will have to be largely replaced and there is no thought of doing any such thing.

It'll be a generation getting any serious improvement and at the end of twenty years we'll largely be worse off than ever.

[Historic NY]

11. Most provisions aren't even in effect yet.....sheesh. SS wasn't fixed & still isn't it will evolve.