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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:20 PM
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Bill to make it more difficult to challenge foreclosure reaches Obama's desk
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/10/06/how-come-no-one-has-ever-heard-of-this/



A bill that homeowners advocates warn will make it more difficult to challenge improper foreclosure attempts by big mortgage processors is awaiting President Barack Obama’s signature after it quietly zoomed through the Senate last week.

The bill, passed without public debate in a way that even surprised its main sponsor, Republican Representative Robert Aderholt, requires courts to accept as valid document notarizations made out of state, making it harder to challenge the authenticity of foreclosure and other legal documents.

The timing raised eyebrows, coming during a rising furor over improper affidavits and other filings in foreclosure actions by large mortgage processors such as GMAC, JPMorgan and Bank of America.

Questions about improper notarizations have figured prominently in challenges to the validity of these court documents, and led to widespread halts of foreclosure proceedings.


A bank can get a document notarized out-of-state electronically & state & federal courts need to accept the document.


Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner told Reuters in an interview that the law would weaken protection of homeowners by requiring many states to accept lower standards for notarizations.



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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:23 PM
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1. Will he sign it or veto it?
????
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:25 PM
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2. I don't know.
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 11:28 PM by Eric J in MN
"The White House said it is reviewing the legislation."

For people who want to contact the White House against, it's "H.R.3808—Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010."
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:52 PM
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12. Thanks
I'm very interested in whether he signs it or not so I'll have to keep a close eye on this. Thanks for the bill title, that should help tracking this.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:06 PM
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25. He will sign it.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:29 PM
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3. Just recognizing another state's notaries is not a big deal
And unlikely to allow a foreclosure that was unjustified.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:36 PM
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6. The banks can send documents out-of-state to get them notarized without due diligence.
"Some states have adopted 'electronic notarization' laws that ignore the requirement of a signer's personal appearance before a notary. A notary's signature is that of a trusted, impartial third party, whose notarization bolsters the integrity of the document. Many of these policies for electronic notarization are driven by technology rather than by principle, and they are dangerous to consumers."

http://www.progressohio.org/blog/2010/10/secretary-brunner-please-tell-president-obama-not-to-sign-the-interstate-recognition-of-notarization.html
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:49 AM
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16. "A notary's signature is that of a trusted, impartial third party,,
whose notarization bolsters the integrity of the document."

Thanks for stating that point so clearly!
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:48 PM
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7. It's more than just other state's notaries. Read the entire article.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:34 AM
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21. It's blanket computerized authorizations
as well as outright fraud (where the signator has never appeared before the notary).
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:34 PM
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4. Jennifer Brunner
"President Obama was presented with HR. 3808 on Thursday, September 30, 2010. As of today, he has not signed the bill. Please join me in urging him not to sign the bill by sending an email or calling the White House at 202-456-1111."

http://www.progressohio.org/blog/2010/10/secretary-brunner-please-tell-president-obama-not-to-sign-the-interstate-recognition-of-notarization.html
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:49 PM
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8. Excellent, thanks for the link.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:00 AM
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15. Start of my email to the White House
Please veto H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act.

This bill could increase foreclosures.

I share the concerns of Ohio Secretary of State Jennnifer Brunner.

===
sent to
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
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the redcoat Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:35 PM
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5. Wow
Republicans are sponsoring bills to help people get screwed over by already shady bank practices, and a democrat controlled congress is letting it through?

Fuck all politicians.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:49 PM
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Letting it through, they passed it unanimously without a rollcall.
They f'ing embraced it.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:49 PM
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9. Vetoing this in a very public manner would probably play well.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:51 PM
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11. Nope, never going to happen. I predict he will hang on to it and use
it as leverage to get his middle class tax cuts. He'll be able to tell the Repubs, "I'll trade you tax cuts for the working middle class for the complete destruction of the un- and under-employed middle and lower class, okay?" That's my prediction. Mark it.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:16 AM
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18. With the base, yeah. Who gives a shit about them?
Signing it without comment would play well with Wall Street fatcats.

I'd be willing to put cash money on which party Obama will choose to play well with.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:51 PM
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10. funny how that could Fly right through the senste with no worry of votes!
amd we are told around these parts why we MUST stand up for dems in this election..what a fucking joke!
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:53 PM
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13. Exactly right. Can't pass middle class tax cuts without letting the rich get richer, but
no problem screwing the unemployed, the underemployed, and the underwater-ers.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:53 PM
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14. +1
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:11 AM
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17. From Senator Brunner's blog:
Banks demand we follow every letter of their contracts. We must demand they follow the law. It's that simple. Please join me in urging President Obama not to sign the bill by sending an email http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact or calling 202-456-1111.
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DUers, let's get busy, no?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:08 AM
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23. Exactly. NT
NT
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:25 AM
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19. If he vetoes this I'll be shocked.
While it is not essential to keeping the illusion of an economy going, anything that conceals or obfuscates the fact that nobody has any idea who owns these notes will be used.

The Zombie Banks are still buried under a mountain of false valuations and the tacit agreement to pretend that there is value in these frauds is all that's allowing them to pretend they are making money (and thereby able to grab a few more years of loot before it all falls apart).


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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:33 AM
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20. A veto of this would be very good for the Democrats. I can not see him signing it---
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 01:34 AM by McCamy Taylor
not before the election.

Maybe Dems let it through Congress on purpose? They are finally getting their act together. They should let a few more atrocious GOP bills slip through, so that Obama can proclaim "Look at what the GOP is trying to do to our country!"
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:25 AM
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22. we don't know if it is Veto-proof..because it was all done in a roll call vote!
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 08:27 AM by flyarm
in secret.

And we don't know if this was wanted and pushed by the democrats..because it was done secretly with a roll call vote! Nothing public about it..so my bet would be..it was done by Dems because they wanted it..they rule how the voting took place!

Funny they didn't use this tactic to get a public option..which was already a sell out of our health care!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 11:45 AM
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24. Update: a White House official says they have concerns
"We are reviewing the legislation, but do have concerns," a White House official told HuffPost.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/10/7/908461/-White-House-has-concerns-about-notarization-bill

Call the White House or send a short email asking Obama to veto HR. 3808, Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act.

White House phone number: 202-456-1111
email: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:37 PM
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26. Update: Victory
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/07/why-president-obama-not-signing-hr-3808


Why President Obama is Not Signing H.R. 3808

Posted by Dan Pfeiffer on October 07, 2010 at 01:15 PM EDT

Today, the White House announced that President Obama will not sign H.R. 3808, the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010, and will return the bill to the House of Representatives. The Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010 was designed to remove impediments to interstate commerce. While we share this goal, we believe it is necessary to have further deliberations about the intended and unintended impact of this bill on consumer protections, including those for mortgages, before this bill can be finalized.

Notarizations are important for a large range of documents, including financial documents. As the President has made clear, consumer financial protections are incredibly important, and he has made this one of his top priorities, including signing into law the strongest consumer protections in history in the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. That is why we need to think through the intended and unintended consequences of this bill on consumer protections, especially in light of the recent developments with mortgage processors.

The authors of this bill no doubt had the best intentions in mind when trying to remove impediments to interstate commerce. We will work with them and other leaders in Congress to explore the best ways to achieve this goal going forward.

Dan Pfeiffer is White House Communications Director

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