Obama to Democrats: stop sulking

[Mefistofeles]

President Obama said yesterday (Wednesday): "losing sight of that long game, and we start sulking and sitting back and not doing everything we can do to make sure our folks turn out." link

In related news, Donna Brazille yesterday twitted: "These attacks are becoming a nuisance. Stop it," adding "I consider myself a fiscally sane progressive, but the attacks on 'Liberals' or the 'professional left' will not turn out the vote." http://twitter.com/donnabrazile/status/26475735002

[joeybee12]

1. When even Donna Brazille tells them to knock it off, you know Obama and

his co-horts have gone too far.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Donna flunks reading comprehension here

There is no "attack."

[joeybee12]

37. Obama and his co-horts flunk "getting the message out"

They should know you have to be very careful in your choice of words...even if she mis-interpreted it, tyhey should know to say things as speficially and non-judgmentally as possible. They're idiots, complete idiots at this sort of thing.

[BeyondGeography]

46. Wow, love the passion over absolute and total bullshit

Hope you can find a way to re-direct it.

[treestar]

62. They can't do anything about people who will interpret every little

thing as a personal slam if they possibly can.

[TBF]

38. If there is even perception of an attack,

you'd think the party leaders would be thinking about how to be more gracious to their base. Unless, of course, they are still trying to purge remaining elements of traditional democrats from their base ...

[bobbolink]

47. The purge is working out very well for them.

[butterfly77]

50. Exactly...

this is the what gets on my nerve with Dems,she is jumping on this professional left garbage and playing into the CONS games.

He didn't say it in the way she interpeted it and I don't give a damn,it is time to kick some CON ass and stop playing there games,.

Brazile is trying to talk about what she thinks the Dems are angry about or concerned about when most don't give a damn about the Professional left issue,except those who run blogs and consider themselves speaking for all Dems,which they don't.

A lot of people I know don't know about it and the ones who do don't give a damn.

The CONS have been on DU before the election and they have hyped it up since throwing out little nothings and Duers fall for it and fight about it for weeks.

Meanwhile,they are plotting up some more shit to destroy us even more.

[JamesA1102]

72. To be fair to Donna

She was responding to Ed Rendell, not the President. It is the OP who failed here by trying to link the two. Donna's tweet was two days ago and the President's remark was today. It is a same when people here start using FAUX News tactics.

[EFerrari]

10. This Stump and Grump Tour must end!

lol

Maybe he's tired. When people are tired, they get naggy. These have probably been the longest two years of his life.

[DCKit]

11. You might think so...

if you weren't aware Donna is DLC! DLC! DlC!

[EFerrari]

13. I thought that was the poster's point, "even Donna Brazille".

[DCKit]

27. I think I love you in the purest sense.

smoochies.

[Jamastiene]

35. Yup. n/t

[zipplewrath]

2. Heed is own advice

"...and not doing everything we can do to make sure our folks turn out."

Um, maybe we also need to STOP doing those things we ARE doing that will make sure "our folks" DON'T turn out to vote. Like constantly whining about them.

[Mnpaul]

12. When is the last time

he did everything he could to pass better laws that would give people a reason to show up at the polls?

[SusanaMontana41]

15. Before we elected him.

I'd like an Alan Grayson, please. Straight up, no chaser.

[area51]

24. +1 n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. Present!

:evilgrin:

[countingbluecars]

3. I read the article.

I find nothing objectionable in what President Obama said.

[JoePhilly]

14. Me either .... in fact ... in every case he refers to "we" ...

usually, when a person uses "we", they are including themselves in the group being discussed.

And yet here on DU, Obama is not part of the group he refers to, "Democrats".

The title of the original article, and the OP both fail.

[Mefistofeles]

17. So you think Obama accused himself, too, of sulking?

The term "we" was used to make it seem less direct; less blunt. But do you really think Obama think Obama "sulks" about Obama?

[KittyWampus]

54. I know when a ratfucker goes out of their way to stir shit up amongst Democrats.

[JoePhilly]

65. No, he sulks about Dems in Congress ... just like you

[SusanaMontana41]

18. It's "we" when he needs us, but we're "the professional left" when he double deals.

Let me off this carnival ride. It's making me sick.

[JoePhilly]

67. More with the "proffessional left" nonsense ....

Are you a media pundit? Getting PAID to give your opinions?

Obama, from day one, has said that he does not want to be caught up in the 24 hour news cycle. And he has avoided it.

The "professional left", much like the "professional right" ... LOVES the 24 hour news cycle ... CONTROVERSY drives EYE BALLS.

THAT is what that comment was about.

The "professional left" term was used what, once????

Yet you seem to claim that Obama uses that framing all the time ... when he "double-deals".

Go find your hand fan, your fainting couch ... and swoon.

[treestar]

58. I noticed that too

the OP is an attempt at inflaming against Obama.

[KittyWampus]

80. The Opening Poster does this repeatedly.

[still_one]

4. Hey President Obama, veto HR3808, and I will vote /nt

[JamesA1102]

73. Guess you have to vote now

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/10/obama_to_veto_notarization_bil.html

[still_one]

76. good /nt

[catgirl]

5. Misleading title

He said "we start sulking", not "stop sulking".

[babylonsister]

7. There's a surprise. nt

[Mefistofeles]

19. Irrelevant observation

Obama obviously didn't like the fact that we "start sulking". Did the article leave you with the impression that Obama wants democrats to cotinue to sulk?

If I tell my child, "Every time I refuse to buy you a toy you start whining." Do you think I want my child to continue whining?

[ProSense]

22. Not irrelevant

and these stupid MSM titles to gin up "Obama hates liberals" outrage are becoming ridiculous.

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[catgirl]

56. I alerted- ?????

This is an attack on Obama and offensive, plus it is misleading.

[tsuki]

8. Brazille is correct. The hectoring, bullying has got to stop. It is divisive.

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[quinnox]

16. You first

How much is Prez Obama going to complain about the liberals, its been a running theme lately.

[SusanaMontana41]

20. I think he thinks we owe him our gratitude.

Not sure for what.

[Me.]

21. Who The Heck Is Advising Him?

Beating up on your base is not a sure fire way to get them to do what you want. This approach has me completely baffled.

[EFerrari]

23. Me, too. I don't remember a time when it has worked. n/t

[ProSense]

25. Is there a point

when people will realize that the President is making a point he wants to make?

"One of the strengths of Democrats is that we don't march lockstep," Obama told New Jersey Democratic donors last night. "We like to have internal arguments and we're very self-critical. We tend to look at the glass as half empty. And that makes us better."

"But," he added, "that's also a weakness, particularly four weeks before an election."

The high unemployment rate is giving the minority Republicans a political advantage in the Nov. 2 congressional elections, Obama said. But Democrats should not lose sight of the long-term benefits of economic policies that have been put in place.

The president warned fellow Democrats against "losing sight of that long game, and we start sulking and sitting back and not doing everything we can do to make sure our folks turn out."

Do you think he's a puppet incapable of deciding what comes out of his mouth?

[Me.]

33. I Disagree That Dems See The Glass As Half Empty

To me dems are a hopeful lot, it's what keeps us going and what got us through the Bush years. Inspiration always works better than talking about 'weakness'.

[joe black]

34. In a word...

Yes

[USArmyParatrooper]

32. The problem is you've been snowballed to believe this nonsense.

Every single time one of these, 'Boohoo me I'm so offended' threads pops up it turns out to be a half of a sentence completely pulled out of context.

[TBF]

40. It makes sense if -

1. they are still trying to purge the remaining traditional democrats from their "base"
2. they want to lose.

Personally I think it's a little of both.

[treestar]

60. Could it be he really thinks some people are sulky?

Maybe that is his actual opinion of such people. Should he lie and flatter them? I for one and glad he is honest, and not caving to the chronic whiners. That would just get us more whining, poutrage and unreasonable demands. When people prove they can never be satisfied, a sensible leader stops trying to satisfy them.

this country's leaders for too long have enabled stupidity and caved in to it. Not dared to call the voters who do it out on it.

[Ganja Ninja]

26. Thanks for the pep talk Mr President..

:eyes:

[USArmyParatrooper]

28. Oh, boy! Another thread focusing on high school style gossip

More important than things like the Affordable Care Act, the Recovery Act, Wall Street reform, student loan reform, Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, new regulation of the credit card industry, new regulation of the tobacco industry, a national service bill, expanded stem-cell research, a nuclear arms deal with Russia, a new global nonproliferation initiative, the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, the most sweeping land-protection act in 15 years, etc. is plucking a half of a sentence for to be "offended" over.

If one runs a successful campaign to try to get Democrats to stay home in Novemeber the Republicans will win back congress. Sure, it would be a disaster for the country but at least you'll get to gloat on the internet, "See! I told you so! That's what you get for mocking me!"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Blaming the voters for the failures and sell-outs of the politicians is pathetic.

But, it does come in handy as a CYA effort to avoid responsibility for those failures and sell-outs.

[robdogbucky]

41. It reminds me of the

neocon/fascist/mafia tried and true tactic of the protection rackets.

Do as we want or your windows will be broken.

After a lifetime of this shit, fear is no longer an effective motivator for me.

I like results, reality-tested, action-oriented results. Not threats.

I did not know the disaffected held so much power?

I do know the disaffected will be blamed if this doesn't work out for the threateners.


"It all comes, it all comes back,
Someday it all comes back to you..."


Carry on, regardless




Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[treestar]

63. The voters and the sulkers are not one and the same

Blaming the sulkers rather than trying to kiss up to them (with no results anyway) might impress the voters.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

77. Obama's reserving his kisses for the right by attacking the left.

As he has done since taking office.

[Lucky 13]

30. The attacks are very persuasive!

Persuading me to rethink what I thought about this man and this party.
Persuading me to reconsider the idea that I don't have any other choice than D or R.
Persuading me to question why I let one party discriminate against me because I'm afraid that the other one will discriminates against me worse.

So keep it up! Keep persuading me! Daily if you have to! Get nasty! Call me drug-addicted or retarded! Tell me I'm whiny and sulky! Lie to me about an ecological disaster when I have solid evidence to the contrary! Tell me I need to be patient on getting my civil rights! Really go after my character and deeply held beliefs! Tell me to settle for separate but equal! Send out surveys to determine if soldiers and their families will be grossed out by me! Really make me feel like a lesser human being, or "other"!

Your hard work is paying off! You've persuaded me into rethinking my entire political perspective and my allegiance to one party over another. An amazing feat considering how committed to you and this party I was in 2008.

But thanks to you, I'm wide awake now. I no longer give half a fuck about party. My vote will be earned based on the issues and specifically the answers to three major questions:

1) Will you work to see that gay people get their full civil rights, including the right to marry, serve in the military, and not be discriminated against in the workplace or for housing?
2) Are you going to put the people's interest above those of corporations... not just sometimes... not just once in a blue moon.... EVERY TIME?
3) Are you committed to environmental protection and clean energy ABOVE that of corporate interests?

Whoever answers those questions most favorably will get my vote, whether they be Democrat, Republican, Green, Progressive, Independent, Tea Party, coven of witches or aliens from another planet. And if I do vote for them and they do get in office, but later reneg on those issues, you don't get my vote again.

So, Mr. President and Democrats.... YOU stop sulking, do your fucking job and earn my god damned vote.

[robdogbucky]

43. Wow, Lucky

+1

Wish I'd said all that.

Don't worry though, the Clown Car Contingent has arrived to make sure you get in line and that your complaints are buried in a sea of snark.

I'm with you, Lucky.


Carry on, regardless





robdogbucky

[Lucky 13]

48. Their snark persuades me further!

Keep on keepin on, bro.

[joe black]

86. + 1 billion.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. +1

:applause:

[treestar]

61. When it is impossible to earn your vote and impossible to do enough

for you, then your vote is not worth trying to earn.

It's only one vote. One can't win by trying to please one voter. There are many voters.

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[Lucky 13]

81. So I'm the only one who cares about gay rights and the environment?

Is that what you are trying to say? Do you care about those things?

[treestar]

83. Do you care about anything else?

I care about them all. I'm not insisting my vote be earned on one issue. That would be impossible for any candidate. In fact, irresponsible. Who wants a President who cares only about one issue, or a Senator or Congressman?

[Lucky 13]

87. FOR MY FAMILY SAKE, it would be irresponsible of me to NOT care about these things FIRST.

Call me selfish I guess, but yeah, it's pretty important to me to vote for someone who agrees that I am indeed a human being deserving the same rights as all other Americans.

I don't want to have to worry about if my partner will have access to ALL my assets, property, insurance if I were to die. I don't want to worry that my children will be taken from my partner by my biological family or the state because she wasn't the birth mother, or legally my wife, or not on the birth certificate, or not allowed to adopt them. I want my partner to be able to have access to my employer health care plan (and vice versa) if it's a better deal for our family. I want my kids to be able to be on her health care plan even if she is not the biological mother. I want to have power of attorney for my partner if she becomes incapacitated without having to spend THOUSANDS on lawyers fees to draw up documents.

It would be nothing less than IRRESPONSIBLE of me to vote for a candidate that doesn't support me having these BASIC RIGHTS and protections FOR MY FAMILY.

How could ANYTHING be MORE important than that?

I guess it's not to someone who is already afforded all these rights. Who doesn't worry about them on a daily basis. And we can't worry about the silly minorities with their petty "civil rights" problems, because fuck 'em, it's just ONE vote.

[treestar]

89. So you can't care about any other issue or anyone else?

Who did you vote for when it came to the Senate, Congress, Mayor, dogcatcher and recorder of deeds? Are they all on point with the one issue that trumps all others?

Do you have any conception of society past yourself? What about people who have it worse? Or is there no one?

What about the poor and the homeless? The sick with no insurance? Even if they are straight?

The Democratic party already includes many groups. You're turning it into individuals. No politician can rationally please all individuals.

[Lucky 13]

90. Should a black person have voted for someone who wanted to continue separate but equal...

...if they agreed on all other issues?

ANSWER THE QUESTION.



AND... I mentioned 2 other main issues for me in my original post. You are conveniently forgetting that.


This isn't about individuals. This is about an entire segment of the American public that is not afforded full civil rights. It's not just about ME. It's about every queer person in this country. Approximately 10 percent of the fucking population.

[treestar]

100. They probably did

The further you go back, the more likely they did. In the 19th century, certainly.

[Lucky 13]

104. WOW. Last I checked this is not the 19th century...

First of all, maybe they did and maybe they didn't. I don't know if we know that for sure. If true, you'll have to show me...

Second of all, IF they did, I believe it slowed the march toward equality.

Third of all, this ain't the 19th century. Though it sure sounds like some would like to reduce my vote to 3/5 of a person.

This is the 21st century, goddammit. And I would think that in this day and age, at a minimum DEMOCRATS would stand up for equality for everyone. How can we, looking back on all our mistakes as a nation, all the progress that was made during the civil rights movement, how can we be SO IGNORANT to all of that to allow a similar injustice to continue with a different demographic.

How can anyone with any decency think that's ok?
Why is discrimination of any form acceptable to you?
Why are civil rights for ANYONE negotiable?
Why SHOULDN'T equality be the most important thing?

Hypothetical scenario... If psychos took control of the government today and ordered that black people were not afforded all the same rights as whites, that segregation was in effect again, that blacks and whites were not allowed to marry... would ANY other issue matter until we got that fixed?? Would you tolerate that kind of treatment of fellow Americans? I'm betting no. I'm HOPING no. (If it's not "no", then you have problems way beyond what I care to deal with.)

So the heart of the matter is that you think gays are not your equal. It's acceptable to allow discrimination against them to continue because they are "other", "different"... LESSER. And they are foolish to demand equality overnight. Not when we have way more important things like war and poverty to deal with. We've gotta be pragmatic about this! We need to prioritize! We should fix ALL those thing first before we deal with their silly little queer issues. We can't be expected to multitask! So what if it takes another 10, 20, 100 years to get there?! They need to be patient. If a few of their lives are completely ruined because of these policies, well, that's a shame, but they can't possibly demand we make THEM a priority!

Right?

[hendo]

106. I wasn't aware that african americans had the vote in the 1800s.

Should a woman be compelled to vote for someone who wants to dictate what she can do with her body?

Should an environmentalist be compelled to vote for someone who wants to clear cut forests?

Should pro-gun democrats be compelled to vote for some one who wants to outlaw the possession of fire arms?

What about gamers, should someone who plays video games be compelled to vote for someone who wants to ban the sale of video games due to violence or graphic content?

Good luck with your crusade to bend people to your will, and FYI homosexuals are people too.

[nashville_brook]

91. buck up and realize that this is nature of electoral politics. we all come to the table with

interests. you can't expect people to vote against their families and their issues. that's just not realistic.

[treestar]

101. Leaving Republicans to win is voting against them

Do you really think, honestly, that voting against a Democrat will help? And who will you vote for? The Greens? Who? Or a party dedicated only to GLBT issues? How is that party going to win a national election or even a local one?

[Lucky 13]

93. You had a lot to say today... but crickets in response to my question? nt

[EFerrari]

95. "You can be replaced" is treestar's GOTV strategery. n/t

[treestar]

102. What is your strategy?

Get out only the GLBT vote? Work only on that one issue? Put it ahead of jobs, the economy and health care? Sure that'll get out the vote.

But trying to GOTV one issue voters is impossible. You have a better chance with people who care about more issues.

[Lucky 13]

105. Your argument is that anyone who is FOR GLBT issues, must be AGAINST all the things you are for.

Like anyone who is PRO GLBT equality is some kind of a freak that is unelectable to the rest of the population.

There ARE candidates out there that are nearly the same on all the issues with the current President... EXCEPT they are ALSO FOR GLBT issues.

Contrary to your bigoted logic, there are PLENTY of Dems that are for GLBT equality.

And there are PLENTY that aren't.

The ones that are for equality, get my vote.

The ones that aren't will not receive a vote from me. It is working directly in conflict with my best interest to do so. In that case I would look for a third party candidate that is for equality. Period.

[hendo]

107. This just in "the entire GLBT vote stayed home"

and we lost miserably because of it.

[hendo]

108. +1,000,000! I hearby award you teh combined intarwebs!

edit for image


+1 million more points if you can name what it's from.

edit, seriously wtf DU, i tried linking a tiny image and it got blown up to be huge, so here is a youtube video instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg

[SidDithers]

31. He's right...nt

Sid

[Jamastiene]

36. How charming.

NOT!

[slackmaster]

39. And we should stop groveling too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ42IMu7HIQ

[Bluebear]

45. Listen to Donna, Mr. President. you're sounding ridiculous.

[butterfly77]

49. Cnn needs to get another..

representative for the Dems because Donna ain't the one.

She is non-inspiring when it comes to getting out the vote and she lets the most hateful CONS get away with too much shit,and there are others usually on msnbc..

Carville has been henpecked.

[EFerrari]

51. How has Brazille "henpecked" Carville?

They're not married?

[butterfly77]

75. Mary matalin..

his twin..

[Bluebear]

103. elevator not going to top floor

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[Hello_Kitty]

57. Um, the OP is directly quoting the headline at the link. eom

[EFerrari]

59. Can you post the correction for us? Thanks.

[bvar22]

64. First time I have ever agreed with Donna Brazille.

When even establishment, elite, DLC Conservatives tell the president he is fucking up by attacking The Base,
its serious.

[Radical Activist]

66. Jesus called. He wants his cross back.

[USArmyParatrooper]

69. LOL! Seriously

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

78. Maybe Jesus can cut a deal with the banksters like Obama did.

[Radical Activist]

79. You mean that one creating the consumer protection agency Ralph Nader spent years fighting for?

That deal? Or do you mean the bill he refused to sign for the bankers today?

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

92. Don't speak for Me

Especially not when you're defending bigots.

[Radical Activist]

96. wah?

What bigots am I defending?

[LaurenG]

68. Obama just sent me an email after I had unsubscribed a couple of months ago. Did anyone else get it?

I found it quite interesting that he addressed the "frustration." At least he didn't call me any names. lol

Lauren --

I come into this election with clear eyes.

I am proud of all we have achieved together, but I am mindful of all that remains to be done.

I know some out there are frustrated by the pace of our progress. I want you to know I'm frustrated, too.

But with so much riding on the outcome of this election, I need everyone to get in this game.

Neither one of us is here because we thought it would be easy. Making change is hard. It's what we've said from the beginning. And we've got the lumps to show for it.

The fight this fall is as critical as any this movement has taken on together. And if we are serious about change, we need to fight as hard as we ever have.

The very special interests who have stood in the way of change at every turn want to put their conservative allies in control of Congress. And they're doing it with the help of billionaires and corporate special interests underwriting shadowy campaign ads.

If they succeed, they will not stop at making our work more difficult -- they will do their best to undo what you and I fought so hard to achieve.

There is no better time for you to start fighting back -- a fellow grassroots supporter has promised to match, dollar for dollar, whatever you can chip in today.

Please donate $15 -- and see who wants you to re-commit to this movement.

I know that sometimes it feels like we've come a long way from the hope and excitement of the inauguration, with its "Hope" posters and historic crowds on the National Mall.

I will never forget it. But it was never why we picked up this fight.

I didn't run for president because I wanted to do what would make me popular. And you didn't help elect me so I could read the polls and calculate how to keep myself in office.

You and I are in this because we believe in a simple idea -- that each and every one of us, working together, has the power to move this country forward. We believed that this was the moment to solve the challenges that the country had ignored for far too long.

That change happens only from the bottom up. That change happens only because of you.

So I need you to fight for it over the next 26 days. I need your time. I need your commitment. And I need your help to get your friends and neighbors involved.

If you bring in a new donor today, your $15 donation will become $30. And our Vote 2010 campaign will have twice the resources to make important investments like putting staff on the ground, providing materials for volunteers, and turning out millions of voters come Election Day.

Please donate $15 -- and renew your commitment today:

https://donate.barackobama.com/OctoberMatch

If we meet this test -- if you, like me, believe that change is not a spectator sport -- we will not just win this election. In the years that come, we can realize the change we are seeking -- and reclaim the American dream for this generation.

Thank you for being a part of it,

President Barack Obama

edit: typo

[joe black]

88. Creeps me out.

Why has Obama picked up Bushes "hard work" talking point and why did he fill the CAT FOOD COMMISSION with repukes.

[Swamp Rat]

70. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Zorra]

74. Please clearly and specifically define the "long game", and

maybe I'll stop "sulking" if it's something good. If the "long game" is more Vichy-esque cooperation with the Revolutionary Dictatorship of the Plutarchy, that will definitely not be good.

A firm, powerful, decisive, major act of good faith that would inspire total confidence in all Democrats and most Independents could get them really excited about voting for Democrats. No more of those pesky, whining, sulking, professional leftist "effin' *(Rahmulin slurs deleted)* to complain about.

Hmmm...yep, that's it. I think I've got it! I definitely feel the love.

An immediate Presidential Order that overrules the recent SCOTUS decision that has made it possible for al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Russian mob, and the Chinese government to support the U.S. campaigns of the American political candidate of their choosing because this ruling creates a clear and present danger and imminent threat to national security would have most liberals crawling through minefields to corral people to get out and vote. Even some republicans would leave the dark side if this came to fruition.

Would totally nuke the republicans chances of any electoral gains in a heartbeat, no?

[spanone]

82. he's right

[LWolf]

84. This liberal democrat to Obama:

You knew what you were doing when you deliberately distanced yourself from the left, when you embraced center-right neoliberal ideology and treated center and center-right independents, and Republicans, better than you did the left wing of your own party.

Stop sulking. It was your choice.

[pgodbold]

99. Bravo! Well said! Truth spoken!

[joe black]

85. Doesn't Obama have better things to do.

Bashing me ain't going to get me to vote for him again.

[closeupready]

98. Apparently not.

I wish he would stop this petty nonsense and start behaving like an executive.

[Joe Fields]

94. I am not his "folk."

If I were, I no doubt would talk to him like a dutch uncle.

[closeupready]

97. Thank you, Donna.

If I'm reading between the lines right, she's basically saying, "Obama, would you please start acting like a President?", and I agree with her wholeheartedly.