••• Reid camp in near-panic as Angle hits 50% in Rasmussen poll •••

[breadandwine]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43325.html

The Reid camp is saying 3 troubling new polls are not accurate but the news sure isn't great.

I haven't a clue how Reid pulls this out at this point. He has thrown the kitchen sink at Angle, all sane people see that she is a nut, but Nevada is full of people who are not sane.


Here's a new ad, apparently a web ad, for Reid, with comedian Rita Rudner narrating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS8kRMGKOpM&feature=player_embedded

It refers to the fact that Angle tried to get 3rd party Scott Ashjian out of the race by offering him "juice" - a bribe - with influence with Republicans on Capitol Hill. But nothing seems to matter. Nothing sticks. Add on that Angle has a built in advantage in that her followers are fanatics who will rush to the polls in greater numbers and Reid looks like toast.

This is a truly shocking state of affairs when you consider that Reid has run an avalanche of ads skinning Angle alive. See here:

••• Over FIFTY videos: Reid ads rip Angle: Why is this F*CKING SHE-NAZI still standing? •••

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9244149

What is the matter with Nevadans?

I think we are looking at the turning point, the death knell for the Reid campaign. Angle is pulling into the lead. Nothing seems to stop her. Nevada could be the most reactionary state in the union right now, eclipsing some of the worst states in the South.

[TheWraith]

1. Fuck Politico and their right-wing whoring. nt

[bemildred]

2. Meh. nt

[CountAllVotes]

3. ••• Who cares about some Rasmussen poll •••

:dem:

[malaise]

34. +1,000 n/t

[SidDithers]

43. +1000...

especially the formatting :rofl:

Sid

[Snotcicles]

76. Republican-ass-schmoozin poll. nt

[FrenchieCat]

4. I'm just amazed as to what passes for Democratic supportive Post at DU during this election!

Like I don't even understand the obviousness of it all. :shrug:

[madmax]

6. I hear ya FC nt

[KingFlorez]

5. The Rasmussen poll didn't take into account "None of These Candidates"

Angle won't get anywhere close to 50%, because a lot of people who don't like Reid will just make "None of These Candidates", rather than vote for a nutcase. Rasmussen has her higher than any other poll.

[bemildred]

7. Angle In Flap As Pastor Calls Reid's Mormon Religion A Murderous Cult

Holy Jeremiah Wright, Batman! In the Nevada Senate race, Republican nominee Sharron Angle is now having to put some distance between herself and her own former pastor, John Reed of Sonrise Church in Reno, after Reed attacked Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's Mormon religion.

In an interview with the Reno News & Review, Pastor Reed attacked Harry Reid, making some rather inflammatory comments regarding the Latter-Day Saints Church being a "cult" -- and alleging conspiracies involving big business and secret murders:

"The Christian community--all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults. Well, there must be a reason. I mean, here a member of a cult is one of the most powerful people in the United States. Doesn't that alarm you? And his allegiance is to Salt Lake City.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x563852

[arbusto_baboso]

11. And there are a LOT of Mormons in Nevada. And they vote.

Most haven't voted for Reid in the past, but this flap could change things a bit.

[Vogon_Glory]

19. Or Will They Vote For Angle Anyway?

Or will conservative Nevada LDS'ers vote for Angle anyway, despite the fact she's associated herself with a pastor who has gone out of his way to attack the very foundations of their faith.

The mindset of present-day Republican voters continues to surprise me. They'll vote for ANY right-wing whack job who will attack their faith, their patriotism, their values, but as long as he or she displays their R/W/B Republican campaign button and waves the flag, they'll give him or her their vote.

Nineteenth century LDS'ers were anything BUT liberals, but they had better sense. THEY wouldn't have stood for that, and would have denied that politician their votes.

At the very least.

It looks like Nevada Mormons might well fall into line behind someone who might well attack their church without so much as making a peep of protest. On the other hand, let the Democratic candidate do so much as attend a church where a lowly usher even mildly disagrees with some incumbent Republican politico, they'll immediately conclude that not only is the usher a traitor, but so is anyone who attends that church or anyone even tangentially connected to that church's congregation.

:argh:

:dem:

[arbusto_baboso]

21. Mormons are VERY sensitive to anything that smacks of persecution.

Just look at any threads on DU critical of the LDS church and you'll see there's a Mormon Defender Brigade that tends to come out to fight on those threads and call people "haters".

Those who hear about this, most will vote against Angle.

[Vogon_Glory]

39. Ahh, But Then Again I'm Talking About CONSERVATIVE LDS'ers

I have not really kept up with the threads concerning the Latter Day Saints on DU. But it doesn't surprise me that the sorts of LDS'ers who would post on DU would be very sensitive to persecution. Most non-reactionaries have their thinking caps AT LEAST set to 'pilot light on' (Some have their thinking caps set to 'High') and probably have at least some notion of what the Mormons went through in the 19th century and are aware of the continuing Fundamentalist/Evangelical Protestant campaigns against them.

But do politically-conservative LDS'ers have the same sort of awareness and reaction when their church is being badmouthed as those politically progressive LDS'ers who post on DU?

I wonder. I do wonder.

Will those politically-conservative LDS'ers STILL fall behind Sharon Angle anyway, or will they express their displeasure at the polls either by voting for Harry Reid or even just leave the space on their ballots for Senator blank?

[pstokely]

66. Don't a lot of them vote Repuke anyway?

nt

[ET Awful]

47. So when is Glenn Beck going to come out against Angle?

:)

[Fla_Democrat]

88. Does he post on DU?

:shrug:

[Parker CA]

8. There's still another few weeks. Why post this garbage? Reid can still pull it out!!

[rocktivity]

9. Consider the source

:boring:
rocktivity

[bluestateguy]

10. No more polls

Especially from Rasmussen

[breadandwine]

22. Not all of the troubling polls just out for Reid are from Rasmussen.

...

[DainBramaged]

12. Politico=dog shit

why do we even allow these links here?

I think your comment at the end of the OP qualifies as stinky too.....

[HereSince1628]

13. Sew the wind, harvest the storm.

It's not nice to fool with mother nature.

I can't say I'm sorry that he is sweating, but major GOP support for Reid must actually help him.

[TwilightGardener]

16. "Sow". Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

[Caliman73]

29. Although it would be an interesting trick to "sew the wind"

What kind of thread would you have to use?

:hide:

[HereSince1628]

33. Polyether I think

:blush:

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. heh

:thumbsup:

[notadmblnd]

37. A political thread that would create a whirl wind?

I couldn't help it:shrug:

[Caliman73]

64. Nice play on words

2 points!!

[MadHound]

14. Frankly if Reid can't pull this election out, when it has been served up to him on a silver platter,

Then he deserves to lose. Angle is a complete nutcase, and if Harry can't hammer that one home to the voters, then his skills as a politician are so weak that he's no good in the Senate to begin with.

Oh, wait. . .

Never mind.

[breadandwine]

Just look at Reid's ads. They are powerful and skin Angle alive.

The problem is Nevada is nuts.

[MadHound]

28. I've seen the ads, and they're good,

But goddamn, get out there and hammer home the point that this woman is insane, on a daily basis.

Reid has been given all the cards in this game, but he's still managing to piss it away. Hell, Obama won Nevada, so not all of Nevadans are nuts.

[breadandwine]

36. Actually, Reid is running a stupid campaign. Check out this ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXFCtf920Ks&feature=player_embedded


Stupid right? Like who in Nevada could care less if nuclear waste gets in their salad?

Angle knows Nevada needs toxic waste so get RID of that lousy socialist Reid!


Stopping Yucca Mountain is a commie conspiracy!

It's all Reid's fault for running a lousy campaign.....


Here's what. Ya wanna make money? Take some toxic waste and dump it into the woods. SPLAT!!!!
When you get back to your house you'll find a pile of money magically sitting on your bed. Presto bingo!
Sheesh! Democrats just don't know how to be good capitalists!

Vote for Angle. She'll install FASCISM the way it's SUPPOSED TO BE.

[blondeatlast]

44. A gift for you:

One of these days...

[breadandwine]

24. Just look at Reid's ads. They are powerful and skin Angle alive.

The problem is Nevada is nuts.

[AnArmyVeteran]

79. I agree, how in the hell did Reid ever win any election???

Reid is completely incompetent as a senator, as a senate leader and in every other way. What in the hell is wrong with Nevada voters? Are they all imbeciles? If Reid and Angle the two best candidates in the state the people there must be a damned mutant colony of subhumanoid creatures without brains. I don't get how Reid ever won any election. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn, let alone vote for him as my senator.

We need to change our system and purge all of the money that is corrupting campaigns. The only way to get competent people elected to represent us is to stop allowing our elections to be bought by the richest people. I'm willing to bet every person in my neighborhood is infinitely more competent than either Reid or Angle.

It doesnt take intelligence, wisdom or even sanity to run for office as long as you whore yourself out to the highest corporate bidder. We don't have an electoral process, we have a goddamned circus full of freaks, and that includes Reid.

[Mike Marble]

15. I cannot believe Nevada voters are stupid enough to elect Angle.

But I've been wrong on this kind of thing before...

[breadandwine]

25. I think Nevada is the new Mississippi.

...

[blondeatlast]

17. Even Politico didn't use that headline. Not even a good try. nt

[RKP5637]

18. People deserve what they vote for, this is true, but the problem is some

people are too F'en ignorant to realize they've been screwed so vote for R's yet again. And now we have lots of ignorant people IMO across the US, and many with their heads in the sand or up their butt. History well might eventually be recording this as one nation that willfully destroyed itself.

[Zebedeo]

20. Instead of 50 childish attack ads demeaning and disrespecting

his opponent, Reid should run on what he and the Democratic majority have done for the citizens of Nevada and the United States.

JMHO

[breadandwine]

46. Sorry, Zebedeo. Reid has also run an avalanche of positive ads touting his achievements.

Those are among the ads on his video page -----


http://www.harryreid.com/index.php/content/multimedia/


And here's another one of those lame Reid ads attacking Angle, this one on the issue of sex offenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWEpAh5e6uA&feature=player_embedded

Stupid right? Like who cares if Sharron Angle wants to protect sex offenders in Nevada?

Just so long as we can round up the Socialists and blow their brains out with our 2nd Amendment remedies as she calls it........


That Reid sure is running a lousy campaign.

It's all his fault.

[breadandwine]

48. Here are some positive Reid ads:

On Solar Energy jobs in Nevada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTJozsSXmRk&feature=player_embedded


On Geothermal jobs in Nevada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvI_AY68BjQ&feature=player_embedded



What stupid ads! What a stupid campaign! What a stupid senator!
You know what Nevadans really need? More ammo! Smith and Wesson baby!

Helping Nevadans get clean energy jobs? PHOOEY!!!!!!!

Vote for Angle. If people start dying of nuclear waste, just blow their brains out........

[prolesunited]

23. Heed these words:

"I think we are looking at the turning point, the death knell for the Reid campaign."

So, listen to this poster and surrender now.


NOT!

[Ikonoklast]

26. Someone's in a panic, here.

It's not Harry Reid.

[MineralMan]

27. "the death knell for the Reid campaign"

That's what you think, eh? I can't tell you what I think...

[Brother Buzz]

30. It's a death knell, for sure

Especially when a GOP state lawmaker endorses Reid

Top Nevada GOP lawmaker endorses Reid

By MARTIN GRIFFITH,
Associated Press
Oct 7


RENO, Nev. – Veteran state Sen. Bill Raggio, one of Nevada's most influential Republicans over the last four decades, says he's reluctantly endorsing Democratic U.S. Sen. Harry Reid's re-election campaign.

Raggio issued a statement Thursday sharply criticizing GOP candidate Sharron Angle, branding her as a "totally ineffective" four-term state lawmaker.

Raggio also cited what he called Angle's inability and unwillingness to work with others even within her own party, and her extreme positions on Social Security and other issues.

Raggio also criticized Angle for badmouthing GOP leaders in a recent secretly taped conversation.

The Angle campaign did not immediately respond to Raggio's comments.

Raggio defeated Angle two years ago in a bitter GOP primary.

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. There are many so-called progressives here who have a deep stake in seeing a Dem catastrophe in the

midterms.

They will be humiliated and utterly refuted without one, and they know it. They've become little different from the worst PUMA morons, and it's sad, because many of them used to be interesting posters. Now they're just desperate doom and gloomers, hoping beyond hope that their pathetic little predictions about a Dem disaster bear out. It's despicable and selfish behavior.

[NoodleyAppendage]

74. Maybe we're ready to teach the Dem "leadership" a lesson?

Maybe we've had enough of the conserva-Dem bullsh*t and empty populist promises?

Maybe we've had enough being part of a party that repeatedly caves in to Repukes?

Maybe we've decided to have the courage of our convictions (which cannot be said of our leadership)?

J

[alcibiades_mystery]

83. And that can only happen with a deep Dem loss in the midterms?

Wow.

There it is, ladies and gentlemen. From the horse's mouth...or other orifice.

[blondeatlast]

89. I'ts not even the Politico headline--it's from the OP himself. nt

[notadmblnd]

31. I've never known Rasmussen polls to be accurate.

I think they're the hired propaganda pollster for the right wing. Anyone else known them to be accurate and unbiased in their polling?

[Imajika]

32. Seems Reid is truly hated in Nevada...

So the choice is between someone a majority of the people seem to detest, and someone a majority of the people think is batshit insane.

At the moment, folks appear to favor batshit insane over someone they can't stand.

The polls in this race are going to bounce around quite a lot before November, but there is no doubt that Reid is in a lot of trouble.

[spanone]

35. politico loves these hysterical headlines

[blondeatlast]

41. Funny thing is, that isn't Politico's headline.

The "panic" came from the OP.

Lord knows how I loathe Politico, but I loathe DU's chains being yanked even more.

[NoodleyAppendage]

38. None of this would be a problem if Reid actually demonstrated testicular fortitude.

This problem is of Reid's own making. No sympathy.

J

[breadandwine]

49. If looks as if the problem is Nevada.

How can a state be half ready to elect somebody like Angle?

[NoodleyAppendage]

73. Because people will follow anyone who appears to be a leader, which cannot be said of Reid.

If Reid had conducted himself in a manner that would indicate independent thought and political courage, I can guarantee you that he would be doing better. Instead his career, so far, has been one of milquetoast political action and capitulation to special interests and Repuke bullying.

Sadly, not many respect the victim of bullying, but respect is to be found in droves for those who stand up to the bully (regardless of whether the outcome was positive for the victim or not).

When are Dems going to get this simple "truism" of life and politics? Alan Grayson does and look how well he's doing in central FL.

J

[COLGATE4]

40. Politico = Fux News wannabe nt

[SidDithers]

42. Politico and Rasmussen in the same post...

winnah!

Sid

[DefenseLawyer]

45. Wow, you are definitely concerned.

I am impressed by your level of concern concerning a race which is a concern to everyone.

[Mass]

50. Take a deep breath. You get more hysterical than a Politico headline.

I wonder what your intentions were. (not that I care about Reid, but this race is exactly where it has been for the last two months. Deadlocked. Not good for Reid, but no need to overreact either).

[The_Casual_Observer]

51. Nevada has been hit super hard by the recession. The public has gone nuts

Angle offers nothing but a "tough love"/Herbert Hoover approach as an answer to these problems. The public doesn't understand what is going on or what is at stake here.

[Iggo]

52. Yep. It's all over. Why even bother voting?

:eyes:

[breadandwine]

57. So you are saying we should only vote for winners?

....

[Iggo]

72. Hmmm.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

53. Course you also wrote "Boxer is about to get crushed" ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8959569&mesg_id=8959730

[DainBramaged]

54. Is this like the Soviet moles who had been here a generation?

And then we have sleepers who wake up to try to demoralize us just before elections???

[A-Schwarzenegger]

56. One of those things

that make you go "Hmmm." :*

[breadandwine]

58. And of course, look who you named yourself after ....

....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

59. Oh, I see, your Doom-Saying, like my moniker, is IRONIC!

Yeah, right.

[breadandwine]

60. For your information it was I who coined the term "fear monger" in the 1992 Clinton campaign.

Which was used effectively to undermine the smears Bush was using.


The real problem is not panic or no-panic, but thinking that if we all take Prozac and go to positive thinking seminars that the election will magically be won by our side.

A big part of the problem is that we are not nationalizing the election on our side. The GOP says Republicans better vote because Obama stinks but our side does not NATIONALLY say that the GOP stinks. We are running campaigns locally, that has been announced by our party leadership. You know what that means? Every man for himself. We are not showcasing the worst of the Republicans in national TV ads as poster children for all that is wrong with the GOP.


This is why so many on our side are in trouble. There are a few exceptions and a few have pulled it out but so many others are in deep trouble and unable to get above the GOP NARRATIVE against us. We don't spread our own narrative against them and that is a big part of why we are losing so many races. Just look at Alaska. Astounding that Miller could be winning when he is against all the Federal aid Alaska needs and rakes in.

They have seized on the weak economy and say it is all our fault but we have no national TV ads to get above the right wing noise machine and are just hiding under the desk while they scream that it's all our fault. This is why so many Democrats are being hammered.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

61. I was not aware you coined the term "fear monger."

I'm shocked. Congratulations. :*

[blondeatlast]

63. In other words, you are a strategist, not a Democrat. and I'm betting Reid has rejected you and your

"advice."

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. ROFL...sure it was...and your father invented the question mark!

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

71. And his mom invented "Some people say (little brother

adapted it to I've heard it said that...)".

[DefenseLawyer]

82. Summers in Rangoon.... Luge lessons.... n/t

[SidDithers]

75. LMFAO...

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SB&p_theme=sb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB0D57774064E27&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

Published on August 22, 1984, Page A06, Article 1 of 1 found, 886 words.

** DALLAS - Former President Gerald Ford, a well-paid point man for the Reagan-Bush campaign, Tuesday peppered Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale as a pie-in-the-sky fear monger.

The Democrats'1984 campaign theme, Ford told an enthusiastic GOP National Convention, seems 'to be that America's future belongs to the wishers, the wasters, the wanters, the whiners and the weak.

But I say America's future belongs to the same

Too funny.

Sid

[blondeatlast]

77. Heh.

:thumbsup:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

81. But, but, but ...

There must be some terrible mistake going on here.
I don't think somebody on the internet would
claim to have coined a term they didn't coin,
would they?

[blondeatlast]

62. His moniker is certainly open to interpretation, too... nt

[madrchsod]

55. oh no ! the 8th graders got another english assignment!

[bobbolink]

65. We tried to get through to Reid, but we were dead to him.

[PopSixSquish]

69. Did I Miss a Memo? Is it Hysteria Day on DU?

I think he might win it by a couple of points but I won't be surprised if there is a recount and a challenge from either side...

[Name removed]

70. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[B Calm]

78. BINGO!

[Nevernose]

80. The RNC recently flooded the airwaves and the Koch Bros. money is apparently unending

The reason Angle is doing so well? Kelo , plain and simple. There are libertarian "think tanks" based here that have paid Internet trolls -- one of them even gave interviewsd for the local paper. That same paper is not only the source of the DU lawsuit, it's nothing but a frothing hyper-partisan machine, and the largest paper in the state. But mostly it goes back to Kelo.

This country is fucked; most days I'm not sure if we can ever recover from the damage Bush did.

[BrklynLiberal]

84. or..... "REID LEADS ANGLE BY 11 POINTS"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9286631

[breadandwine]

86. CNN/Time poll now has Angle up 2%.

http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/National_News/NEW_POLL_SHOWS_SHARRON_ANGLE_LEADING_HARRY_REID/34595


There are only so many of these polls showing Angle ahead before you have to conclude:

She's ahead.

Add on her advantage in that her supporters are fanatics determined to vote and all the whining and shooting the messenger won't change the fact that Reid is in trouble.

[blondeatlast]

87. Gosh.

I invented that term for when my kindergarten friend threw up her chocolate cake at my birthday party. ;)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

90. I invented "chocolate cake" in 1981.

:*

[krispos42]

91. So, would the conservatives in Nevada had gone any more for Angle if Reid had been really liberal?

Probably not.

[lovuian]

92. This is about Congress and the corruption there

there is a frustration that Congress is corrupt

incumbents watch out

the Congress is going to look very different

[opihimoimoi]

93. How can people vote for the GOP who admits they have no real plans other than

return to W Bushies cut taxes for the uber rich...?

Theyt offer nothing realistic

all fluff and bluff

THE GOP is a SCAM