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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:06 AM
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Let's Celebrate Columbus Day
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:44 AM
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1. I'm gonna take some slaves.
The meek shall inherit the boot.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:23 AM
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3. I was thinking of bringing some small pox along
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:13 AM
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2. Hmm I never heard they took over Indian tepees.
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 05:25 AM by dkf
Who knew?

The Israelis did something much more egregious.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:39 AM
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4. You're either willfully ignorant...or
you SUCK at history.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:43 AM
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6. Oh please
I am not saying Israel doesn't deserve criticism but Native Americans have been all but wiped out. There are fewer native Americans now than there were in Columbus' day. Their culture has been all but destroyed and their languages all but silenced. We basicly all but completed a genocide.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:58 AM
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9. Thanks for putting it more politely.
I can't deal with purposeful ignorance. I teach native american history for a living.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:59 AM
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10. Dupe delete
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 07:59 AM by a la izquierda
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:14 AM
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13. Hardly a genocide...
more like a plauge of epic proportions. That is what killed off the vast majority of Native Americans. Would have happened sooner or later with the meeting of the old world and the new anyway. Unless you want to blame Arabs for killing 1/3 of the European population in an attempted genocide.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:17 AM
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14. the europeans gave them small pox infected blankets
but that was only the start. Native American children were raised by Europeans to be European. They were taught in school to be Americanized. Their culture was purposely destroyed.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:21 AM
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16. The blanket/small pox thing...
is not what killed the vast majority of Native Americans. For the vast majority, it was completely unintentional. And when hasn't a culture that takes over raise their new subjects to be like them? Seems like it has been a common practice since the beginning of time, and I'm sure the Native Americans did so as well. You don't think lots of unique cultures came and went before the Europeans arrived? It is the way of the world. Cultures aren't meant to be stagnant, it is impossible in fact.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:58 AM
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24. Sans snark.,..
... can you imagine a REALISTIC way things would have gone down where the US gets to be what it is and the NA get to keep everything?
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:31 PM
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25. Most of the Indian deaths
Most of the Indian deaths occurred long before Lord Amherst's feeble attempt at biological warfare. The primary "villain" in the case has to be De Soto. It was his expedition that, unknowingly, spread European-Asian-African diseases to North America.

When the Jamestown expedition and the Plymouth expedition landed, the land had been heavily depopulated already with many vacant fields and villages. The local Indians welcomed them as potential allies to bolster their weakened military position caused by depopulation. There is a parallel for this where the Britons (weakened by a series of epidemics)welcomed the Saxons to assist them against Irish invaders.

Yellow Fever, which wiped out most of the Amazon and Orinoco basin Indians, was an import from Africa as mosquito larvae in the water casks of the slave ships.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:42 AM
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5. europeans did to the indians what indians were doing to one another
Europeans just did it better :evilgrin:
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:58 AM
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8. I'm sure you think that's a clever thing to say (nm)
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:59 AM
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11. Give me a break. I hope you're kidding.
I know you're smarter than that.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:00 AM
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12. Bullshit
Total Bullshit
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:17 AM
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15. Pretty much...
Europeans just happened to have biology on their side. If not for that, it is unlikely the Europeans would have taken over so easily, if at all, and even if they had, the populations today would have a much greater proportion of Native American ancestry. And actually, in many Central and South American countries, where there wasn't nearly as much European immigration, that is the case.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:12 AM
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22. Nice little facile excuse, there. Can you do the same thing with the Nazis and Allies?
I mean, who needs to actually know the history. That's busy work. Just chalk it up to "human nature" and enjoy your day off, right?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:54 AM
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7. Recommended.
I always enjoy reading the nonsense that some people immediately post on threads like this -- the bullshit about "everyone did it" and "Indians did it, too."
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:52 AM
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18. Never ceases to amaze me
:)
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mainstreetonce Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:29 AM
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17. In 2010
The way things currently are in the real estate market you have no idea how true this cartoon is today.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:57 AM
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19. I'll bring the War Dogs.
When DeSoto landed in Tampa Bay he had 60 dogs of war with him, a year into the expedition he had 200. The were fed Native Americans, live.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:58 AM
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20. A Great Documentary on Columbus' last voyage
The true story of Christopher Columbus was not only one of victorious discovery; it was also marked by disaster, accusation, and betrayal.

Ten short years after his discovery of the New World, Columbus languished in a Caribbean prison.
There, awaiting the gallows, he plotted what he called his most treacherous voyage – one that ended with the loss of all four of his ships and left Columbus and his crew shipwrecked with little hope of survival.


Popular historian, explorer, and acclaimed author of The Last Voyage of Columbus, Martin Dugard, travels in the wake of the great explorer, visiting the key sites of Columbus discoveries and disasters, such as Panama, Jamaica, and Hispaniola, reliving one of history s most epic – and forgotten – adventures.

This one shows what an ASSHOLE he was but he did it for 'God'.......LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9--Z3f83HXs&feature=player_embedded
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cowcommander Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:04 AM
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21. What Spain did to Central and South America was far worse than what happened to the Native Americans


This shit is one of the biggest roots of the problems of Latin America's society. Fuck you, Spain. x(
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:49 AM
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23. Spain tried to prosecute Pinochet but Britain wouldn't
extradite.

They are going after Bush and his Cronies now

I know, they were the bad guys and we were the good guys
Now Times have changed.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:32 PM
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:40 PM
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27. I wish I held the copyright to Godwin's Law. Bill Gates would be hitting *me* up for a loan. n/t.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 01:10 PM
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28. The Native Americans would have able to resist settlement were it not for European diseases.
The diseases killed something like 95% of Native Americans.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 01:17 PM
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29. It is more meant to be Italian-American Heritage Day
More related to the Knights of Columbus than Christopher and his exploits.
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