Corporate America Next Trick To Stifle The Economy....

[rsmith6621]

....My wife has been out of work for several months. On this past Friday she visited a medium size business that had an ad in the paper for a position she well qualified for..

Well when she handed the receptionist her resume she handed her a paper and asked her to read it...it had 5 condition of employement listed...

Condition 1....Health insurance will be available to you at a 25% discount off of regular market prices.

..........2....There is no sick leave

..........3....Vacation will be granted only after one year service.

..........4....This is a swing shift position only(with the hours listed)

..........5....And if you are currently unemployed you will not be considered for the position advertised..

..If you are not able to meet the above requirements please hand this page back to the company representative and thank you for your interest.



So is this another tool that corps can stifle growth because they are mad that Obama is in the White House.....

[justabob]

1. accidental unrec

I am sorry

[Hello_Kitty]

3. I recced it for ya! I've done that myself.

:hi:

[the redcoat]

2. If I were you I'd walk in,

"apply" with a fake resume just to get that piece of paper, then run out with it and send it to news agencies.

[Autumn Colors]

36. I would have just walked out with the paper....

and sent it to local and online news agencies. MSM probably would do nothing with it.

[timefortherevolution]

50. Bingo. That's all part of the crime.

[gmoney]

72. Except this is not news... standard practice...

Especially when RW Freaks are running the place.

[ThomCat]

4. Companies have NO INTEREST in lowering the unemployment rate.

They want a vast population of desperate, impoverished, suffering people.

They want their employees to be in desperate fear of being fired, willing to do anything in order to avoid being fired.

They want this huge pressure forcing wages down, down, down so low that they can get the highest skilled employees for absolute peanuts with no benefits at all.

They want to return us to the gilded age, before unions, when no rules at all constrained what companies could get away with, and what workers had to put up with.

[glinda]

5. and are working to bring down Obama and the Dems by doing this. It is the plan and

they do not care who suffers as it is all for them. Win win.

[ThomCat]

7. Are you kidding? Obama works for Goldman Sachs.

Goldman Sachs runs the Treasury dept in his Administration.

Dems, especially the Blue Dogs, get their funding from their corporations. They let the lobbyists right legislation.

Look at how the Health Care "Reform" was negotiated, with industry lobbyists "at the table." That's how they do business now!

It is only the very few Democrats in Progressive Caucus that they probably want to get rid of.

[Lorien]

11. As always, ThomCat speaks the truth

This situation has nothing at all to do with Obama and the Corporate puppets in our party. It has everything to do with corporate greed and shitty HR decisions.

[liberation]

64. Amazing how the whole "good cop/bad cop" routine works so well...

... ain't it?

Heck, even the "good cop" is now viewed as the "victim" in this whole drama. Americans are that fundamentally unsophisticated and naive... I am afraid.

[prolesunited]

6. Yep

Do you remember what it was like under Clinton? I marveled at the top firms offering crazy perks to employees to attract top talent. Big signing bonuses, elaborate food spreads, in-house dry cleaning, concierges, etc. If you were good, it was a buyer's market and even if you were not so good, you still could get a job.

Now if you've been unemployed for awhile and over 45, I guess you are just supposed to off yourself or go live under the bridge.

[phasma ex machina]

10. Corporations want cheap labor. The powers-that-be only care about their American Empire.

Only people care about people.

[Scuba]

15. Bingo!

[moondust]

24. Race to the bottom.

They're either offshoring your job to the most desperate people on Earth or they're threatening to so you'll gladly settle for peanuts just to have a job.

The road to world slavery.

[dixiegrrrrl]

34. Why, that sounds like....Wal-Mart.

[kenfrequed]

44. Exactly!

This is why there was a mass panic about a tech labor shortage in the 90's. I tried to explain to people that a labor shortage is the greatest thing that could ever happen to the average worker as it meant that they could ask for more money and get it. Moreover, more money in the hands of workers that spend money means more dollars moving around the economy which benefits everyone.

Sadly the tech industry cried like little babies and altered the immigration laws with regard to specific regions in order to import cheaper labor and quash rising standards of living. Add to this Greenspan tinkering with interest rates to eat up any increases by screwing with the system and they crush the working class in favor of the ruling class once more.

This sort of thing needs to be stomped on hard and companies doing this need to be treated like the jerks they are.

[TxVietVet]

68. You are absolutely right!

They only want cheap labor.
With that on their side, the consumer economy will collapse because most people will have only enough to survive.

VOTE ON NOVEMBER 2ND

[Township75]

69. So if everyone is impoverished, wages are forced down, and everyone

makes peanuts, then who has the money to buy their products and/or services?

[gmoney]

73. the new middle class in China, India, etc...

they have yet to buy up all the stuff we take for granted... housewares, cars, home electronics, designer clothes, appliances, etc.

[Knight Hawk]

90. Harry Truman

Harry Truman said about 60 years ago the corporations want you to make just enough to buy the products you produced from the company store on credit.Listen to the song"Sixteen Tons" By Ernie Ford .

[scentopine]

85. You nailed it. China is the new ideal for human rights and working conditions -nt

[54anickel]

8. There was an article at huffingtonpost on this. I was devastated when I read it.

I've been unemployed/self-employed for over 5 years and recently started updating my resume to head back into the job market. I knew it was going to be tough, but after reading that I decided it's going to be next to impossible.

Then there was the article on how being over 50 pretty much excludes me from the job market as well...that's when I started making paper airplanes with my resume.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/08/employers-continue-to-dis_n_756136.html


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130454350&sc=fb&cc=fp

[CoffeeCat]

12. It's just so crazy...

I've been a stay-at-home mom for a decade. When I first decided to stay home because the girls
were babies (and 15 months apart), we weren't worried about me finding a job when I wanted to return.
I'd sit it out for a year or two, and jump back into the workforce. I knew I might have to take a
pay cut or maybe even a demotion until I could work my way back up, but I had no problem with that.

Now...everything seems abysmal. I've been raising kids, making sack lunches, planning school parties
and attending PTA meetings for the past decade. When I make an attempt at writing my resume, I feel like I'm engaging
in an exercise in futility.

I'm pretty much screwed aren't I?

I don't get this whole, "We won't hire you if you're unemployed" thing. I've NEVER heard of this happening
until recently. It's ludicrous and it doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of rock-solid, highly
educated and talented people who have been laid off. What's wrong with the people at these companies?

[Cobalt-60]

13. They're Traitors

It's just that simple.

[CLANG]

49. They're Traitors!!

It is just that simple!

[54anickel]

29. Part of it comes from the notion that people deserve the "bad" things that come along in life. It's

ludicrous, but it is becoming more and more pervasive. At least I've noticed that line of thinking in some of the people I know. But I live in a very, very staunch, conservative area. They think that about others, but when something "bad" happens to them - then it's why me? I did nothing to deserve this. Yet they'll continue to point at others who might be struggling and say that person had it coming.

They reverse it if they're receiving some sort of aid too. I've known people to take some pretty unfair advantage of Wisconsin's generous autism programs. When you point out that they are cheating, they justify it saying something to the effect of "Ya, but I REALLY need and deserve this" inferring there's someone out there on the system that doesn't.

Try not to think you're screwed though, keep positive thoughts. When you get turned down remember it's not against you personally and it's their loss...at least that's what I plan to tell myself.

[Demeter]

43. Then I Must Have Been a BAAAAAD Girl in a Previous Life

I hope it was worth it. Or at least, enjoyable. Thing is, I can't remember...

[54anickel]

48. Hey Demeter! You and me both. I was told by a former co-worker that people that don't make a

living wage just don't work hard enough. He's where he is due to lots of hard work and dedication....me, well I must have done something "wrong".

I'm an old fart, I just don't get where people now base their entire identity and self value by what the do for a living. That's what you do to subsist, not what makes you alive!

Some people are fortunate enough to have a vocation that they are passionate about, others simply have a job that hopefully affords them to enjoy life and family...at least that's what I'm hoping for this go around. I had a career doing what I love, though after a while, it managed to get turned into something I didn't love anymore. (Now, it's my favorite hobby again.)

[Art_from_Ark]

93. Your favorite hobby?

Let me guess-- numismatics?

[54anickel]

103. Good guess, that would have to be my 2nd favorite hobby as it's gotten a bit rich for my

blood now that I haven't been gainfully employed for so long.

I've always loved shiny things!

Good to see you Art_from_Ark. So kind of you to remember! :toast: :hi:

[Art_from_Ark]

104. I know what you mean about "getting a bit rich" for your blood

I've had to severely cut back my own purchases because the coins are getting a bit too high and the income is getting a bit too low. But I still try to beep abreast of the hobby through Internet discussion groups and on-line subscriptions. And I'm always glad to talk to a fellow numismatist.

:toast: :hi:

[54anickel]

106. I miss collecting the pandas, and I never did get one of those whopping 10 oz Kookaburras I wanted.

Now, if I ever land another job I'm going to have to save up for hearing aids instead of coins...might be forced to sell some of my shiny bobbles. Sucks getting old!

[Art_from_Ark]

108. The 10 oz Kookaburra is a hefty hunk of metal

These days, I guess the retail price would be close to, what, $250? And the pandas-- which ones are you talking about? The silver ones? They are really beautiful.

Anyway, I hope you can find a job soon, get your hearing aid, and get back into your 2nd favorite hobby! :toast:

[54anickel]

109. Thanks Art! Whodathunk all those years working around noise, first live music halls and rock

concerts, then later computer rooms and electronic hums would effect ones hearing in their later years.

[LongTomH]

51. That's the result of 30+ years of Conservative/Libertarian Rhetoric!

Starting back in the Nixon Administration and exploding under ReaganBush!

[undergroundpanther]

71. It's the Just world hypothesis

Just world hypothesis


According to the just-world hypothesis, people have a need to believe the world is fair so that they can maintain feelings of control over their own eventual fate. The observation of an innocent person suffering disconfirms this view and threatens one's own fate. Thus, to protect feelings of security people become motivated to respond in ways that will make things seem fair again. If helping is a possibility, most people will choose to intervene. However, if the person cannot be helped, the just-world hypothesis suggests that bystanders will disparage the victim, thus making the world right again - a world in which people get what they deserve (Lipkus, Dalbert, Siegler, 1996, pg: 666-667).

http://www.sociopathic.net/misc/just.htm

[54anickel]

107. Yes, thanks for that link, that's the thought I was trying to put into words! n/t

[Knight Hawk]

91. A Guess?

I honestly believe a lot of it is just the zeitgeist of the times.There is a lot of hate and anger out there and many people just enjoy watching and/or imagining other people suffering.Misery loves company especially if the company is even more miserable.As a society we are not mentally healthy.Read Erich Fromm's book ,written about 60 years ago, "The Sane Society".That should be our goal.But I am not sure there are enough sane people left to get us there.I fear we are witnessing the decline of our country,perhaps irreverseable.

[Merlot]

9. Isn't this discrimination?

They are discriminating against a disadvantaged group of people. Someone should find a way to sue for discrimination.

[Sherman A1]

14. That was my first thought

I believe that this needs some media attention along with a complaint to the state AG's office and the Feds.

[billlll]

16. WPA and Co ops are the solution

Call for them NOW

Reich and M Moore have

www.njfac.org

ZERO unemployment forever

PERMANENT WPA.

[ThomCat]

18. You can only sue for discrimination if you can prove

that they are discriminating, which is nearly impossible to do when they can claim that there are so many people "more qualified" available for any job. And, you have to be part of a legally protected class to sue.

If they simply refuse to consider anyone who is already out of work, that is discrimination, but Unemployed People is not a protected class. So All the Millions of people who are out of work are out of luck.

People who are denied a job because of their age might have a case, but only if they can prove that they were denied a job because of their age. All the company has to say is that, no, it wasn't because of your age, but because you don't have a job, and we don't hire people who don't already have jobs, then the case disappears. Because, again, while discrimination based on age might be illegal, discrimination based on employment status is not. Older people may be a protected class, but unemployed people definitely are not.

[w4rma]

20. Proof. In writing.

"And if you are currently unemployed you will not be considered for the position advertised."

Done. Start the lawsuit.

[ThomCat]

21. As I said, "Unemployed" is not a protected class.

Refusing to hire you because you are unemployed is not grounds for suing. You would have to get them to put in writing that they refused to hire you because you were a member of a protected class.

[NashVegas]

31. It's Long Been Known

It's easier to get a new job while you're still in your old one.

The idea that it's been made impossible and formalized by someone is bizarre.

[raccoon]

55. You said that right.

"It's Long Been Known
It's easier to get a new job while you're still in your old one."

Only thing, people used to didn't say they weren't interested in you because you're unemployed. Correction, well, MOST of the time they didn't. I remember one interviewer saying, "I wouldn't even be talking to you if you didn't have a job."

[freebrew]

63. * took care of the age issue.

When I was fired, along with 40 others, not one was under 40. I was 57 at the time.
* admin court system said it's ok if it's for profit motive.
Besides, it was ITW, one of the largest conglomerates(monopolies) in the world, so it must be OK.:sarcasm:

There was an article in local media, stated that of 29 companies here, no one over 54 was employed. Mean average age of the
workforce was 42. Is it any wonder that the US productivity is lagging?

If only we could get together to boycot all of these assholes.

[customerserviceguy]

42. It's discrimination, but it's legal

Only if the unemployed are added to the list of protected groups would it be illegal.

[happyslug]

58. But it is LEGAL Discrimination

People can discriminate, the law only outlaws discrimination against people in a "protected Group" i.e. Race, Sex, National Origin, age, Family status (i.e. have children), disability and religion (In some states and Cities, sexual orientation is included, but that is NOT a protected class under Federal Law and under most state laws).

Sorry, being discriminated is legal IF the grounds is NOT one of the above (I may have missed a few, but that is most of them from the top of my head).

Please note if you can show the discrimination is a substitute for one of the above, it is illegal. The Classic case was a 1960s decision holding requiring a High School Diploma was racial discrimination when most whites had such a diploma, but most blacks did NOT and the Company knew this AND the job had nothing to do with Education level (Please note similar attacks have failed since Reagan became President).

In the same period as the above case (i.e. pre-Reagan), a similar attack on Veterans preference failed, even through it was almost impossible for women to enter the Military any where near the numbers of men were entering the Military in the 1950s and 1960s. The court ruled that the Veteran Preference was to benefit people who served NOT to keep out people who had not and that was legal even when WOMEN could NOT earn that same preference AND it permitted more men to be hired then women.

[TreasonousBastard]

17. I'm sorry, but this train of thought is idiotic. I keep seeing posts saying this, but...

it's tinfoil nonsense.

Hiring is restricted to those currently employed simply because they can-- there is a huge pool of people out there and they can be very choosy.

In a few years, when us baby boomers are all retired or dead, they'll be crying for anyone to fill the seats.

[ThomCat]

19. That is not necessarily, or even likely to be true.

If the economy has moved to a thorough model of international outsourcing, then there won't be any significant number of jobs left in the US for them to need to fill when the baby boomers are retired.

Or, if there are, they will be jobs that can mostly be easily moved back out of the country anyway, so it won't matter.

Either way, they certainly won't be "crying to fill the seats."

[NashVegas]

32. They'll Be Crying For More H1 Visas

[Donnachaidh]

28. so those unemployed now and turned away from jobs should do what?

Pray for working people to die? :sarcasm:

[slay]

45. So I guess those of us currently unemployed should just lay down and die?

what are we - the currently unemployed - supposed to do? lay down and die i guess. :shrug: :cry:

[gmoney]

77. No, just start your own airline or oil company...

geez, have a little gumption! :sarcasm:

[scentopine]

84. Yep - along with the sick - they want sick people and unemployed to simply drop dead....

we should fight back using any and all means at our disposal.

[glitch]

22. We need the name of the corporation that did this, for the boycott.

Don't worry, there is no legal agreement not to tell the name.

[Roland99]

23. My guess is that they don't want people who'll just take any job to have a job

and then move on once something better suited to their skillset shows up.

[RB TexLa]

61. That's the reason. It's got to be a job where there is a decent cost to train and set up for new

employees and it's too much risk to take people are you know are going to leave.

[scentopine]

83. you are dead wrong - that is not how you retain people

you offer them good working conditions and decent pay. That is the only proven technique.

Whether or not they are currently working is completely irrelevant because the probability of you hiring someone who will move on is just as likely as you hiring someone who is qualified and experienced and will stay, but is presently unemployed.

I have heard it first hand - "the best people are working", "unemployed people are damaged goods", "they are drug addicts or misfits who are not worthy of employment".

You have no fucking idea what its like in corporate executive offices - many of these fucking assholes have fox news on 24/7.

They are driving down working conditions to be on par with india and china.

PhD's working in home depot. Fuck Wall Street - it is amazing to me that we haven't burned the sons of bitches to the ground.

[Roland99]

97. No, I'm not dead-wrong. I'm pretty damn spot-on.

I've worked with many HR departments throughout my career. I've worked with recruiting and placement companies.

It's a similar message that I heard a fair amount after the dot-com bust in 2001.

[Name removed]

100. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Roland99]

101. You know what you can do with your condescending attitude?

involves shoving something up where the sun don't shine.

wtf makes you think I'm in HR?

ASSume much?

[The Uncola]

25. A corporation that actually says it out loud, eh?

Seems almost honest, in a "kick us while we're down" sort of way.

[dkf]

26. Why doesn't she get a "job that no Amercan wants to do" so she can say she is employed?

And then job hunt? Wouldn't that show industriousness?

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. What jobs are those?

:eyes:

My neighbors, baby boomers, just started a 'handyman' service doing any job they can find.

She was recently laid off from a business where she worked for seven years.

He is retired from AT&T after 30 yrs, with no pension and most of his IRA is gone.

They are in their early fifties and this is hard work for both of them, her especially.

So what jobs qualify as a 'job that no American wants to do?

[dkf]

105. Where the illegal immigrants are.

I know it is tough work but I bet it would impress people. It would impress me.

[Donnachaidh]

27. I think there should be a website OUTING *ANY* company refusing to hire an unemployed person

THIS should be done to all of them - and the media should be doing reports on this weekly. This is an obscenity in action. :grr:

[peacetalksforall]

54. Absolutely. PUBLICITY!!!!!!. There should be four lists:.

One - Multi-national (international companies) (this is the true source).

Two - National

State - obvious

County - and District

Then, for those who have the time, we should research to find out whether the company is registered OUTSIDE the US and add that to the list.

And any hoopla that the Company uses in their Mission Statement type literature, their advertising,, their billboards, their logo - anything that they write that promotes their family orientation, their patriotism, their American quality products or service should be quoted to show how hypocriticial they are.

If this is being done at one company there is an excellent chance that this position/policy has been included in Human Relations newsletters and periodicals. In other words it means that it has already spread through the network of Human Relations Departments of companies of a certain size. Or it's about to. It could spread through organizations to more localized businesses through the Chamber of Commerce (who we know is quite unpatriotic).

It would be helpful to know how they promote this position/policy to others and if it seems to be coming from one entity, especially if any of the foundations or lobbying company or government heads are involved.

This is it folks. Serfdom is upon us. We are witnessing a heavy push on the pedal. It's their agenda, carefully worked out and only subject to major set-backs. Their agenda is world control. Order = control, mind, spirit, pocketbook, potential.

But, we should excercis more caution and not always refer to this as something only the 'corporations' are doing.. This is much more. It's coming from barons, foundations, think tanks, dirty work entities like the Tri-Lateral Commission, Council on Foreigh Relations and their counterparts in other countries. World Bank, IMF, and OUR Federal Reserve Corporation. They are on records, they want the US to fall. They need it to fall to make their money world-wide, not just nation-wide. There is NO such thing as American supriority in our future. We have already allowed our technilogical superiority to be descimated.

This is it. It's on us - war on the people who are still brainwashed about EVERY vote counting and the others with the head in the sand about our stolen votes and the thefts and lies.

The problem is if they all take that sentence of their 'read this' list, they can just remove it and do it anyway, i.e., not ever hire someone who has been unemployed.

Lists and publicity are essential. Publicize the multi-national as the information comes in. Gather the state and local and release it when the list is long enough.

This is an excellent way to know who's side of the owner<>serf line each company is on.

The country/world is about to be taken to the next plateau by ultra extreme selfish, unpatriotic, pitiless, icy souls.

[tpsbmam]

76. IMO you should post this as an OP. Great post! Sadly, action oriented

posts often sink like stones, but who knows......maybe yours will find enough recs. I'd certainly be one! I'd add things like degree of outsourcing, number of H1B hires (if one can find that info), etc.

:applause:

[NashVegas]

30. I Hope Your Well-Qualified Wife Told Them Off and Walked Away

Because as long as there are people who accept slave conditions, we'll be an enslaved country.

[xchrom]

33. Recommend - but it has nothing to with

Trying to get Obama.

They are trying to force a kind of new economic reality
On the work force period. That's it.

[txlibdem]

56. New economic reality

The new economic reality they want is for Americans to work for $0.30 per day like the Chinese do. And do away will all environmental regulations, OSHA, etc. And especially to kill all labor unions and even the memory of labor unions.

[tpsbmam]

78. Agreed. n/t

[HughBeaumont]

59. Shyah, good luck getting the labor to BUY anything with that plan . . .

. . . because the price of their products and the price of necessities sure aren't going down.

And that massive overseas "consumer wave" they're depending on? How will they afford 200-400 dollar software (for example) when they only take home 700 a month at best?

[xchrom]

60. They keep thinking the 'obvious' phone will stop ringing. Nt

[girl gone mad]

35. I gave you a rec, but the last line is nonsense.

Corporations are not out to get Obama. These organizations exist to funnel as much money as possible to the people at the top while keeping shareholders happy (if applicable).

[gmoney]

80. no, I think companies are sandbagging

they don't want to do anything to contribute to the recovery as long as Democrats are "in charge" -- the wealthy have plenty in reserve to ride out the storm

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. Reduced Soc. Sec. payments is another outcome of this horrific practice.

When you apply for Soc. Sec. your check size is (currently) based on the amount of your last earnings..
the last 12 months, I think.
Traditionally, during one's working life, earnings increased as you got older.

If you do not have a job past age of 50, you do not have a chance to grow your earnings,
many people are forced to take early retirement, thus accept a reduction in the Soc. Sec. check.
Until recently, financial advisors were saying this was ok to do, over time the amount would be made up via the
COLAs built into the system.
There WILL BE NO COLA in the foreseeable future, ( but Medicare premiums ARE rising every year).
Screwed again.

If there are fewer and fewer well paid jobs available in this brave new world,
you do not have a chance to grow your earnings.
Screwed again.

This is NOT happening by accident.
Look at the pattern as it has developed.

At this point, if I were still in the work force, and un-employed, I would find a way to show I WAS employed
by someone.
And I am sure this thought has crossed other minds.

[DirkGently]

39. Disgusting.

[maryf]

40. I would have kept the page...

and turned it in to the unemployment office, if I could have...this is sickening...on edit: K&R

[City Lights]

41. K&R!

Fuck. That. Shit.

Corporate Uhmurika can go fuck itself.

[Citizen Worker]

46. This isn't about the corporations out to get the Obama and the democrats. Rather, this is predatory

capitalism in full regalia. The last thing a business owner wants to do is hire someone and pay them for their labor. Why? Because it reduces profits. It hasn't been but 75 years ago that employers would have prospective workers line up outside plant gates and hand pick who would work that day. The employee's compensation? A piece of paper, or chit, that entitled the bearer to one meal. That was it. There wasn't any take home pay, no food for the family, just one meal for one day's labor. I'll bet most of you reading this read about the "shape up" in your history books, right? We've been there before and that's where we're headed now.

[Hotler]

47. Any Colorado DUer's seen this or run into it?

If you've seen ads or know of companies doing this in Colorado please PM me. I wrote state rep. Joe Rice and he needs more info than the Huffington Post story.
Thanks
Hot.

[florida08]

52. yes have seen this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/disturbing-job-ads-the-un_n_600665.html

Try contacting the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in your area. Some companies are using credit ratings or mortgage foreclosures to not hire

http://www.eeoc.gov/field/index.cfm

[veganlush]

53. can you supply the name of the company, so we can

investigate?

[The_Casual_Observer]

57. This is pretty incredible & far fetched.

[unblock]

62. rather than criticizing businesses that do this, we should USE this as a mandate for GOVERNMENT jobs

businesses do this because hiring good people is hard. you can't spend a whole lot of time on it (a full day of interviewing is a big commitment, and how well can you really know someone's future job performance based on a single day's performance (and it IS a performance, not a true test of their abilities or capabilities).

so businesses do what businesses do, which is cut corners wherever they can and make the best decision based on very limited information. so if there's a spelling error on a resume, out it goes. certainly, there are great brainiacs who can't spell well and there are the position may not require spelling, but it's one of the few bits of information to go on, so they make use of it.

THIS IS WHY DISCRIMINATION IN HIRING EXISTS AND WHY WE HAVE LAWS AGAINST THEM. sure, some of the more blatant discrimination was becauase they were outright bigots, but much of it was because they had a more subtle form of bigotry, namely that race and such IS easily obtainable information and so they acted on it (and their preconceptions).

so companies figure that someone out of work might have been unlucky, but also they might have been less desirable as an employee. generally, they think that the odds are that currently employed people are, IN THE ABSENCE OF BETTER INFORMATION, ON AVERAGE, better than currently UNemployed people.

it's not remotely conclusive, but it's one of the few bits of information you can easily get in an interview/screening process, so they use it.

is it scummy? of course it is.

but businesses will do scummy things unless and until congress tells them otherwise.

so either we should get congress to refuse to consider current employment status when hiring (virtually impossible to pass, and also hard to enforce) OR we scream for congress to do the hiring that NEEDS TO HAPPEN but that businesses are CLEARLY NOT WILLING TO DO THEMSELVES.

we should be spending a ton of money on infrastructure and green research and so on, rebuilding the america that has fallen to pieces after decades of right-of-center (sometimes EXTREMELY right-of-center) rule.

[XanaDUer]

65. Here in the ATL some places are specifically saying that, if unemployed

since 2009, don't even bother applying.

Ain't that America?

[ladywnch]

66. this is becoming the norm. I'd like to see it challenged under

discrimination laws. The unemployed are a class of people being denied jobs because of their class.......seems pretty straight forward to me.

[femrap]

67. Why are these blood-sucking

Corporations doing this? Because they can, I guess.

I've read about this new 'must be employed to get a job.' The Corporations are going to push people to the wall.

[scentopine]

81. Corporations are pushing people to the wall and the people

need to start pushing for guillotines. Set the first ones up right outside Goldman Sachs.

[txlibdem]

94. What? You don't like to eat cake?

:-) Sorry, couldn't resist.

You're darn right about that as is the poster you responded to. Companies are trying to push millions of Americans off the face of the Earth and they're hoping that we'll just "go quietly."

[DAMANgoldberg]

70. Here is your workaround...

Ok, someone who has a bit of change incorporates in Delaware or Nevada as a S Corporation. If it's anything like NC, you only have to spell in the charter, "any legal business". OK, now you are the 'employer' of the unemployed. Coordinate your stories, and when they check, if they check, than you tell them you 'employ' them for a fee.

Now I know what your saying, this is dishonest and unethical. And in a way it is, but in this market, you have to fight fire with fire and come out swinging. This gets around the unemployed question, and then we can talk about getting a job, that is of course a job actually is open and available, as opposed to a listing that goes nowhere but must be done for political, contract, or PR reasons that have nothing to do with filling a job.

Careerbuilder, Monster, and Craigslist are bad about this practice.

[scentopine]

74. At least we have a strong democratic president who isn't afraid to stick up for us

right?

<hold on, I'm getting a message from democratic centrist headquarters>

Ooops, I misspoke. Let me restate this according to official White House policy...

At least we have a president who isn't afraid to tell us to stop whining. Its not like we are living in cardboard shacks with dirt floors.

Until such time, we would do well to shut the fuck up. Oh, and don't forget to vote democratic.

[defendandprotect]

88. +1 -

[saras]

92. Well...

The only reason we're not living in shacks is that most places won't tolerate cardboard shacks - they just bulldoze 'em. Camping in toolsheds, under overturned boats, in lofts above garages, under the overhangs of bridges and buildings, in old wrecked cars in the woods, in the backs of pickup trucks - yep. But don't go building anything that looks like a home.

[BreweryYardRat]

75. I've seen this. I fucking hate it. n/t

[Rex]

79. Online job submissions and new requirements (credit rating) are

transforming America into a Big Brother sorting system and will eventually fail completely.

[mommalegga]

82. I try to explain to conservs

There was a reason for min wage, pollution protections, working standards, etc...
They were created becasue capitalism by its nature has no morals. Its only God is profit. And becasue of that it will do whatever it think it can get away with to make more profit.
Seems to go right over there head and they go back to yammering of how bad govt regulation is.

Not that profit is evil. It just has to be made ethically and with a sense of responsibility to your fellow man. Unfortunatly thats not in the book by Adam Smith

Funny how these supposedly Christian Republican businessmen leave Christianity at the businesses door. Oh sure there are exceptions, most found in small business, but too many pull this kind of crap.

[Canuckistanian]

86. They're really confused aren't they?

I seem to remember that companies weren't hiring if you were UNemployed.

So now it seems that they just can't wait for prospective employees to give their two weeks notice to their CURRENT companies.

It just goes to show you that they don't WANT new employees if there's ANY delay in getting work for low pay.

[defendandprotect]

87. We need a new labor movement -- and a new liberal/progressive candidate for 2012!!

So far, looks like weekends are still the employee's ?????

That will be next!

[txlibdem]

95. Count me in!

Best to wait till after Jan. 1st to avoid all the other issues and the holidays I suppose?

Whenever you're ready to start working, please let me know. I am energized and ready to elect a Progressive!

[defendandprotect]

102. Corporations continue to present themselves as our "meal tickets" ....

it's actually the other way around --

Tons of stuff could have been getting done in all this time -- Dems have been

in power since '06 --

but just looking at the use of their assets --

They didn't call out members to rally for MEDICARE FOR ALL --

They aren't calling out members to r ally for PUBLIC EDUCATION --

Social Security is under attack and no one is alerting Seniors nor organizing them --

More and more people are on public assistance and no one is organizing them!

We have millions unemployed who could be organizing the unemployed -- and/or just

generally organizing for a more liberal/progressive movement.

The Democratic Party is HOVE to -- dead in the water -- on organizing anything --

YET, Republicans are paying for demonstrators!!

Just like their GOP-sponsored fascist political rally in Miami-Dade county to stop

the vote counting in 2000! Same thing. Everything right wing has and dones is

created with $ and buying people!!

Rather than helping labor, as far as I can see Obama is working on destroying yet one

more union -- the teacher's union!

Let me assure you, if someone like Michael Moore will move on any of these issues, I'd

be out there with him. I'd be happy to work on any of this, but don't see that my voice

would get anyone up off the couch!

:)

[unkachuck]

89. K&R....n/t

[Hotler]

96. When you see these ads please post the names

of the companies /businesses and where they're located here.

[mstinamotorcity]

98. Yes it is

This is not a trick. They are basically telling the American people "If you don't let us go back to stealing you blind, we will starve you to death." I have been waiting for the American people to start starving some of these big corporations to death. I think its about time they know what it is like for your navel to meet with your spine out of hunger.

[Cal Carpenter]

99. So they'd rather hire someone who has an even crappier job than that?

I can't imagine that anyone with a halfway decent job would leave it for a place with no sick leave, no PTO for a year, and crappy insurance.

The logic behind these rules is astounding.

How low can they go, how many battles in the class war will they win before we fight back?