*****Official Reid-Angle Debate Thread*****

[bleever]

(Complete with stars in thread title and the word "Official".)

Come on down and have some fun with those watching now on C-Span One.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

1. She's tough! Harry is to soft spoken and broken! He needs to fight!!

NOW! NOW! NOW!!

[rbilancia]

103. She's not tough at all. She's a marble mouthed fucking idiot.

[bleever]

2. So far we know that she has a strong legislative record, and isn't a politician.

She's magic!

[tabatha]

3. Thanks for the comments.

[BootinUp]

4. Harry pressing her on false ad.

It was not true, its not the law and my opponent did not answer the question, she talked about other issues.

[pinto]

5. C-SPAN live link here -

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

[bleever]

6. Harry seems tame, but Sharon seems only marginally coherent.

I hope there's some sparring to come.

[babylonsister]

7. She says Medicare is being messed w/under HCR, then says

we need the gov't out of hcr. Which is it, Sharon? You can't take both sides.

[bleever]

9. She's magical in that way.

She's a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

[babylonsister]

12. Ha! rude pundit live tweeting...

http://twitter.com/rudepundit

[bleever]

14. Awesome!

Thanks, sis.

[BootinUp]

8. Angle doing her supply side Jesus impersonation

explaining how we should not require insurance cos to cover anybody, or any medical conditions.

[BootinUp]

10. Angle: The Free market will fix it!

[Parker CA]

11. I like seeing the moderator ask questions a second time after they aren't answered.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

13. She doesn't fucking say anything. nt

[bleever]

15. Why do you hate America?

Freedom should be freely free to free the people from the government.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. Wait, was that a yes or no question? nt

[Qutzupalotl]

126. Obtuse Angle.

[spartan61]

16. She doesn't want Health Care to cover

Mammograms, colonoscopies, physicals??? This is a great thing about Health care.

[Parker CA]

19. She doesn't want a single mandate on any private insurance company to do one thing. nt

[BootinUp]

17. Question for Angle: Are the unemployed spoiled?

[Tatiana]

20. Reid should be eating Angle alive. He is so soft-spoken.

If he holds on to this seat, they should not vote for him to be majority leader again.

He should have taken lessons from Chris Coons on how to handle one of these looney teabagger idiots.

[AmerVoicesUnited]

21. That would be a NO (party of NO anyone) n/t

[DaveinJapan]

22. What the hell is she trying to say about Obamacare firing 5 employees somewhere? nt

[BootinUp]

23. She knows five people that lost their jobs due to ACA

Reid talked about thousands of jobs created from bills he worked on or supported. Seems like a good argument for her?

[Suich]

24. Clarence Thomas?????????? n/t

[bleever]

25. Clarence Thomas??!!!??!!??!!!???

Insert image of Munch's "The Scream".

[babylonsister]

28. I was just coming here to do the same thing! nt

[Gabi Hayes]

36. who put pubic hair on my coke can? Angle just told Reid to "MAN UP!"

babbling about putting SS funds back in the trust fund....wtf is she talking about?

then following up by saying we should set up 'personalized' SS accounts!!!

yeah. that'll work. privatize it????

[bleever]

41. Long Dong Silver? nt

[Gabi Hayes]

56. "suck my ass with a straw!" that's a line from the book "Strange Justice," by Jane Mayer,

I think she's the author. it's definitely from her book

according to sources from the book, that was one of Thomas' favorite lines from law school. he used to tell that to people all the time

swear to god

that's stuck with me for about 15 years

[bleever]

64. Great, now I'm stuck with it.

Maybe now that you've passed the curse along, you can be free.

[Gabi Hayes]

130. I love that line. I've passed it to others who freely use it.

my goal in life is to be able to axe him if he still says it.

[Ruby the Liberal]

120. Oh Don Piano?

Sorry - free association took me here. :toast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KrfjeEqQGk

[BootinUp]

26. Angle: 2nd Amendment, activist judges, constitution....bla bla bla

[cal04]

27. Clarence Thomas?

Lady you shouldn't be elected dog catcher

[chimpymustgo]

29. Harry Reid is LOSER, She's crazy, but he's a bumbling idiot.

[rbilancia]

110. Trolling? He is not a "bumbling idiot," and she's a fucking whacked out bitch.

[Tatiana]

30. I see Christine O'Donnell shared some of her talking points with Angle. n/t

[bleever]

38. And as if on cue, she tells Harry: "Man up."

I want to ask her to act more like a lady.

(In the best way.)

[BootinUp]

31. She is now attacking gays. nt

[Gabi Hayes]

32. when asked what current/former justices they'd not like to see on the court, Reid specifically

PRAISED Scalia ("he's done good things"). the question was who you DISapproved of!

then Angle said Sotomayor and Kagan both should not have been put on the court because they don't understand the constitution

she really is semi-coherent

and, today, on tweety BOTH Cilizzo and Chuck Todd said she could WRAP UP the election today if she demonstrated the slightest bit of competency

simply stunning.....

[DimplesinMI]

33. Two Thumbs Up

For the moderator. He is doing an awesome job!

[Tatiana]

34. I'm slightly stunned. Does Harry Reid not seem all that into this defending his seat thing?

He's so... lackluster.

Angle is bat$hit insane, but she's coming across as more passionate, more enthused, and semi-coherent. She's acting like she wants this job. He's acting like he really doesn't care.

[NRaleighLiberal]

42. +1 n/t

[napi21]

48. You don't understand. That IS Harry being intense! He's just not

capable of exhibiting the kind of passion you are looking for. I've heard the tone of disgust with his opponent in his voice tonight. This is the real Harry.

[Johonny]

124. I agree

[DimplesinMI]

35. "Man up Harry Reid"

If Reid does not take her down here, after this statement, this will be the leftover line from the debate.

[Tatiana]

40. It's like O'Donnell telling Castle to put his "man pants on." Unfreakingbelievable! n/t

[NRaleighLiberal]

37. She is simply unreal. Totally incompetent. And Reid is, regrettably, no debater!

He says "Scalia" (!!!!!).

She replies "Thomas".

What is this horrendous thing I am watching?

[Gabi Hayes]

43. marvelously bad, unless you care about what may be happening to our

country as a result of this election

Feingold is apparently eight points behind, and losing ground!!!

wtffffffff?????

[NRaleighLiberal]

47. It is just unfathomable. The seeds of anti-intellectualism planted by Bush*

are coming to full bloom before our very eyes. Ignorance has now become akin to competence. I am scared shitless for our country.

[Tatiana]

51. But Feingold is at least exhibiting some fight. He came prepared to his debate with Johnson.

Reid is not closing the sale at all. He's letting this crazy lady walk all over him with her bat$hit crazy ideas.

[NRaleighLiberal]

57. Harry must feel exactly like Gore and Kerry did in their debates with *.

He is probably pondering how to react to such idiocy....if I was up there, I think I would just double over in laughter.

[Tatiana]

66. A chuckle and a little honesty seemed to work for Chris Coons.

There were a few times when O'Donnell was stringing together her word salad, Chris said he wasn't quite sure how to respond because he didn't understand what she had said. I know there were a ton of viewers that nodded their heads in commiseration. It make him come across as more personable.

Reid almost seems like a robot.

[NRaleighLiberal]

75. agreed - this is clearly not his thing at all. yet the stakes are so high...

[napi21]

39. Angel really doesn't understand SS! "Put the $$ back that the

Congress stole & put it into personalized accts." WHERE do you think the $$ would come from to "put back"?

[BootinUp]

44. Angle channeling Reagan...from the grave.

"there you go again."

[malaise]

45. This woman is bat shit crazy

Harry needs to nail her ass on privatizing social security

[bleever]

50. Please don't slander guano.

And he's got to nail her ass harder on just about every topic.

[NRaleighLiberal]

52. I feel like I am watching a very bad D list movie "actress". Surreal doesn't even start to explain!

[Parker CA]

46. This is the weirdest debate I've ever seen. Ever. Facts vs absolute batshit nutjob fuckshow. nt

[malaise]

61. Unfuggingbelievable that there are people

who would vote for this lunatic.

[Parker CA]

67. I keep thinking there are people in their living rooms nodding their heads and agreeing with her. nt

[DimplesinMI]

49. "There you go again" after the "Man Up" statement

Is making her seem like an angry candidate to me. She need to stop with the side marks and just answer the question. She is blowing it. Ronald Reagan is dead and gone....his lines need to be too.

[wisteria]

107. I hope your assessment that she is blowing it, sticks with voters. n/t

[babylonsister]

53. Is she changing her argument in mid-stream? Nah, she

wouldn't do that. Oi!

[babylonsister]

54. Rec'd for group hilarity!

:hi:

[NRaleighLiberal]

59. + 1000!!!! n/t

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[BootinUp]

55. Question to Angle paraphrased: You want to destroy the Dept of Education? nt

[babylonsister]

58. Reid needs to come up with something other than "extreme," just to mix it up. Howzabout "bugnuts"?

Compliments of the rude one. :D

[Gabi Hayes]

65. how bout this> I knew Liberace. I worked with Liberace. Sharon Angle, you're no

Liberace!

[librechik]

60. 10th amendment--reveals her confederate roots

the south shall rise again--and it'll be wearing teabags

[Suich]

68. O'Donnell brought up the 10th amendment last night, too! n/t

[babylonsister]

73. You betcha! nt

[BootinUp]

62. Angle 10th Amendment reference, i.e. Federal law overide at State nt

[DimplesinMI]

63. OK...he is coming back on the Department of Education

Debate. Thank GOD! He did answer the monies that have been issued to Nevada, during the Obama administration. He should have LEFT OUT the props for Reagan, at the end of the statement. That part was a fail.

[malaise]

70. He was great on her privatization of the VA

Go Harry!

[BootinUp]

69. Reid explains his support for military. Comes across

too bland.

[DimplesinMI]

71. She is screwing up the America Security Question

She is all over the place with her answer. Harry Reid hit her back with Privatization of the Veterans Administration. That is a HUGE fail with Veterans. Harry just scored one!

[Tatiana]

72. This moderator is very good. Too bad Reid is not taking advantage of this.

"My friend has berated health care reform..."

Okay it didn't work for McCain, it's not working for you. LET 'ER RIP HARRY!

[Parker CA]

78. Seriously, this is the worst showing of a dem at a debate I've seen. He has SO many

chances to just destroy this nutjob and her outlandish views, and he's letting every single one slip by.

[BootinUp]

74. She says Obamacare offers no choices, lie lie lie. nt

[DimplesinMI]

76. $800.00 a month and a Veteran?

She JUST told a BIG FAT LIE. Veterans pay little to nothing for their care. That is why they are veterans! Harry hit her back again....."Maybe your Dad should visit our office because he should not be paying that." Score 2 Harry!! Good job Senator.....

[babylonsister]

77. RP: Angle keeps attacking Reid, but Reid, to his credit, doesn't say, "Are you fucking stupid?"

:rofl:

[Parker CA]

79. "Can you repeat the question?" Geezus. Is she even mentally stable?? Seriously.

[NRaleighLiberal]

81. No, I believe she is not. she is horrifying, actually.

[virgogal]

82. I think that's a time honored delaying tactic.

[AzDar]

80. Harry needs to stop referring to this nutjob as 'my friend'.

[Tatiana]

83. OMG. Angle asks the moderator to repeat the question. This is surreal.

Angle: How did you become so wealthy on the government payroll?

HA! And Harry barely hits back other than to call Angle's comments a "low blow."

****SIGH****

Are we f*cked?

[BootinUp]

84. Reid: 4 trillion to the deficit with her policy, thats quite a load. nt

[DimplesinMI]

85. SCORE 4 HUGE Harry!!!!

She accused him of making money in the Senate and coming from "Searchlight, NV" with pennies in his pocket. Harry responded that is a "low blow" and that he made good investments as an attorney and lives on a "Fixed Income" OUCH.....he just scored a BODY SLAM!! Two points for Harry there. Thank God, he is coming back the second part of the debate and she is falling apart.

[Tatiana]

86. Reid has to find his notes for closing statements.... Is this real? n/t

[Parker CA]

92. Pretty un-freakin-believable from where I'm sitting. Just insanity. Gotta watch Rachel &Lawrence

right now to bring my brain back to reality.

[Parker CA]

87. "I believe that with gods help, we the people can improve our country." She's a friggin whackjob.

This moderator must want to walk off stage and scream and bang his head against the wall. What a fuckshow.

[Tatiana]

88. This was the only scheduled debate between Reid and Angle.

Reid did not get the job done, IMO.

[Arkana]

104. Did anyone honestly expect him to?

There are almost NO undecideds left in the race and this debate was horrendous on both sides. It didn't change any minds and Reid should be grateful for that.

[Tatiana]

108. I think people did expect him to be prepared and to exhibit more interest in defending his seat.

We would have been better served by having another Dem run for that seat. But if he's going to go down, I'd rather him go down fighting and standing on his record like Feingold rather than repeating how "extreme" Angle is. That's stating the obvious. I guess I don't feel like he really made the case for why Nevadans should vote for HIM as opposed to voting against the extreme Angle.

[Arkana]

109. Ironically, I think any thinking person who watched Sharron Angle

saw her make the case for Harry Reid far more effectively than Reid himself.

Angle basically is an older Christine O'Donnell--she has no grasp of the issues, no ability to discuss them with any fluency, and she came across like a whiny teenager when the moderator tried to pin her down on the myriad of shitty things she's done.

[wisteria]

115. The shun the media for a reason. n/t

[NRaleighLiberal]

89. Biggest losers of that debate are we who watched it. Just dreadful.

[napi21]

90. OK folks. Try to be unbiased. Who did better in this debate? nt

[Parker CA]

94. Even though she is 100% without facts, I think her language and repeated points will make a larger

impact on impressionable voters than Reid will. Sane voters, well that's another deal altogether, a segment Reid should clean house with. Here's to hoping there was a large audience of intelligent viewers who look past Reid's mellow tone and see he's a fully functioning and rational human that deserves their vote, as opposed to the absolute nutjob fuckshow whackjobbery that was just on display.

[Arkana]

95. Neither of them.

Angle was louder, yes. But she came off like a shrill, know-nothing cretin--and that line about it not being her responsibility to put Nevada back to work is going to hurt her a lot.

Reid was a spineless, mumbling wuss and let Angle get away with a lot, but his grasp of the facts was far superior and most of the questions made that starkly obvious.

The fact is that this debate isn't going to change a lot of minds...there are few undecideds to begin with and anyone who's committed to Reid isn't going to vote Angle and vice versa.

[K8-EEE]

119. Fine then people can vote "none of the above"

I'm cool with that....

[BootinUp]

96. I was disappointed in Reid's performance

but I think he edged her out. She is no more energetic or better speaker than Reid, and on policy, facts, etc she is out there and Reid pointed that out more than once.

[NRaleighLiberal]

98. Because the truth no longer counts, and many people will believe repeated lies....

we will likely find again that reasoned intellect does not have much impact these days.

[SnoopDog]

100. Who won?

Angle 'won' as having better answers - like a child molester debating why he should run a day care...

Reid LOST because, because, because... you can be a bad debater but at least you can read a good answer. His answers sucked.

Being a Nevadan - I have to vote for Reid... can't wait for a Progressive to run against him in the Primaries...

[earthside]

91. She Won.

I hate to say it.

Yup, she is kind of weird ... but debating style counts for a lot and she does appear more energized and engaged than Reid.

Reid is the same old low-key, Senatorial, insider that has screwed the Democratic majority in the U.S. Senate for the last two years.

Face it, Reid should have retired, going for a fifth term is one term too many for him.

My hunch is that the edge in Nevada goes to Angle.

[rbilancia]

99. Are you serious? She came across like a marble-mouthed goofball. HARRY WON. And,

Any Nevadan who watches that wingnut and would vote for her is as STUPID as she is. What the fuck are those people fucking thinking??????

[wisteria]

112. She may have over reached. My vote goes to Reid who look calm and composed and yes,

more or less in control.

[Mz Pip]

123. Sadly people tend to remember

not what was said but how it was said. People will remember the passionate energy over the passive uninspired responses. This is not rocket science, it's PR 101.

Harry should know that by now.

[SnoopDog]

93. yuk...yuk...yuk...

As a Nevadan....

Thanks Nevada for such great choices....

:sarcasm: :shrug:

[rbilancia]

105. Harry Reid is a GOOD Senator. Not perfect, but good. And damn better than NUTJOB lady.

[wisteria]

114. I agree and some of the reasons his numbers are down have nothing to do with his

service to Nev.voters. The economy and fear of change has allowed these nut job Tea Party cadidates to gain attention. Reid is getting blamed for just being a Democrat.

[DimplesinMI]

97. Harry JUST MADE IT....by his response too..........

The Veterans question and on attacking his income level. Harry won the debate, by a piece of hair....so I believe the polls overall, remain tied.

Harry better play up the $800.00 a month statement for Veteran's Care of her father and come up with the REAL facts and figures by an ad.

Otherwise, he is toast.

IMHO.

[rbilancia]

101. How Nevadans could consider rejecting him in favor of that goofball is incredible. She's a NUT !

[Arkana]

102. He can also use the line about jobs--that was one of Angle's biggest miscues.

[Change has come]

122. He has been using her words...for Months.

Every since Angle won the primary. There are ads with Angle saying she would not be responsible for creating jobs, she would privatize Social Security and Medicare and eliminate the DoE. For whatever reason these haven't been effective. There have been anti Reid yard signs and bumper stickers around here since January.

[DimplesinMI]

106. Well, as to who won hands down....

It was the moderator. Can we have him for more debates across the country, please? He asked the tough questions and was prepared to follow up if the candidates started to spin. Good job Moderator guy!

[Arkana]

111. This.

"Ms. Angle, do you feel it's your responsibility to help Nevada get back to work?"

ANGLE: "Well you see BLAH BLAH HORSESHIT ABOUT THE FREE MARKET BLAH BLAH GAWD AMURKA RONNIE MCREAGAN BLAH"

"...So that's a no."

[DimplesinMI]

113. Exactly......n/t

I want that moderator guy for the next Presidential debate in 2012.

[wisteria]

117. If that is the way her answer can across, then I would think the unemployed would be miffed at her.

No empathy or anything from her regarding those who are unemployed?

[Arkana]

129. Nope, it was pretty much exactly what I said "Get out of the way and let the free market run wild!".

[Hawaii Hiker]

116. Moderator was Mitch Fox

And i agree, he was good..

http://mitchfox.com/

[DimplesinMI]

118. Thanks for the information!

O8) :toast:

[Renew Deal]

125. Moderator is a DUer

And he loves to lock threads. :D

[demwing]

121. If it doesn't change our majority, I wouldn't mind if Reid loses

He is simply not capable of fighting, and we need fighters.

Angle will burn out her welcome in a term. It may be worth it

[laughingliberal]

127. No. It would not be 'worth it' to me to have Angle as one of my Senators. nt

[eleny]

128. After a while she reminded me of Christine O'Donnell

Her gooble gobble was so much a mish mash of talking points.

Harry listed the jobs he helped create by amendments to legislation. She responded admonishing him by saying that a senator's job is to help create jobs by legislation. wtf? Either she just wasn't listening or she couldn't think on her feet and just blurted out the talking points.

The moderator did a good job. :thumbsup: