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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:55 PM
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So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?
The following article gives lots of facts and figures proving that contrary to Republican claims that eliminating the Bush tax cuts would sink the economy even more, the exact opposite is true.

It was written by David Cay Johnston whose word I would take over any Republican on this issue:

David Cay Johnston is a Tax Notes columnist. The Washington Monthly calls him "one of the country's most important journalists" and the Portland Oregonian says his work is the equal of Ida Tarbell, Upton Sinclair and Lincoln Steffens. At The New York Times, Johnston received a 2001 Pulitzer Prize for exposing tax loopholes and inequities. He now teaches the tax, property and regulatory law of the ancient world at Syracuse University College of Law and Whitman School of Management. He is the author of two bestsellers on taxes, Perfectly Legal and Free Lunch. His next book, The Fine Print, will be published in 2011.


http://media.bestofmicro.com/President-Bush-and-the-Republican-Party-were-riding-high-not-too-long-ago-just-like-Sony-and-its-PlayStation-business,1-V-93379-13.jpg

So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

The 2008 income tax data are now in, so we can assess the fulfillment of the Republican promise that tax cuts would produce widespread prosperity by looking at all the years of the George W. Bush presidency.

Just as they did in 2000, the Republicans are running this year on an economic platform of tax cuts, especially making the tax cuts permanent for the richest among us. So how did the tax cuts work out? My analysis of the new data, with all figures in 2008 dollars


The article has lots of data to back up the author's conclusions. But just looking at a few of those numbers is enough to make people very angry at what those tax cuts actually meant for the rest of the country. For example:

Even if we limit the analysis by starting in 2003, when the dividend and capital gains tax cuts began, through the peak year of 2007, the result is still less income than at the 2000 level. Total income was down $951 billion during those four years.

Average incomes fell. Average taxpayer income was down $3,512, or 5.7 percent, in 2008 compared with 2000, President Bush's own benchmark year for his promises of prosperity through tax cuts.

Had incomes stayed at 2000 levels, the average taxpayer would have earned almost $21,000 more over those eight years. That's almost $50 per week.


He says that just measuring the second year of Bush's tax cuts through the seventh, total income was still nearly $2 trillion less than the year 2000 levels.

He points out that according to an analysis by the Tax Policy Center, (who, he says was praised by the Bush administration for its reliability,) Bush's tax cuts cost $1.8 trillion in eight years.

And in the last two years, the total cost of the tax cuts reached $2.3 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center estimated.

The facts he presents on the earnings of the average American during the period since the Bush Tax Cuts were implemented, are simply stunning. Most earnings fell, some by as much as 4%. So rather than fulfilling the promises of prosperity that Bush promised his Wealthy Tax Cuts would produce for all Americans, the exact opposite happened.

I never did understand the logic that if you keep giving more to the wealthy, it will help YOU to become wealthy also. I thought it was because I am not very good at math!

His conclusions after studying the facts and figures recently released are as follows:

The hard, empirical facts:

The tax cuts did not spur investment. Job growth in the George W. Bush years was one-seventh that of the Clinton years. Nixon and Ford did better than Bush on jobs. Wages fell during the last administration. Average incomes fell. The number of Americans in poverty, as officially measured, hit a 16-year high last year of 43.6 million, though a National Academy of Sciences study says that the real poverty figure is closer to 51 million. Food banks are swamped. Foreclosure signs are everywhere. Americans and their governments are drowning in debt. And at the nexus of tax and healthcare, Republican ideas perpetuate a cruel and immoral system that rations healthcare -- while consuming every sixth dollar in the economy and making businesses, especially small businesses, less efficient and less profitable.

This is economic madness. It is policy divorced from empirical evidence. It is insanity because the policies are illusory and delusional. The evidence is in, and it shows beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts failed to achieve the promised goals.

So why in the world is anyone giving any credence to the insistence by Republican leaders that tax cuts, more tax cuts, and deeper tax cuts are the remedy to our economic woes? Why are they not laughingstocks?


That's what I would like to know. Why are they not laughingstocks? It never made sense to me to keep the money flowing upward hoping it would trickle down. They have bankrupted this country with by taking from the middle class and giving to the wealthy.



End the Bush Tax Cuts! Is there any rational excuse for not doing so? The cost to this country has been astronomical!

Republicans should be forced to explain this data to the public, before the election!

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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 11:11 PM
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1. The idea that allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to expire will harm the economy
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 11:12 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
or the recovery seems ridiculous to me IMHO. Republicans talk about them as though they were wildly successful in terms of creating jobs and improving the overall economy- a viewpoint that seems to me to be wildly removed from reality of the past few years and seems to ignore what happened in 2008 entirely. :eyes: :banghead:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:08 AM
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2. We have a majority. The public is not very patient with
rewarding those who brought this economy to its needs. This should have been an easy win for Democrats. And now with actual numbers available they could have used it against Republicans in November. I can't think of anything more popular with voters at this point than stopping the wealthy from confiscating even more wealth while the rest of the country suffers.

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:26 AM
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3. But Repubs keep saying the wealthy will give it back to society...
in the form of jobs and the Dems seem incapable of disproving this even though it is practically self evident.

And now there is the new stealth attack by the super rich in the form of the Tea Party.
They catch the fall out from the GOP and turn them right back into supporting the super rich under the guise of supporting unfettered freedom.

It's an astoundingly successful strategy that keeps winning over and over again and no one seems to be able to refute it effectively.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 03:56 AM
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4. I think that at least half this country's residents are just plain stupid.
If someone came to your neighborhood and asked everyone there to give them money because if they did, eventually it would trickle back down when this stranger set up a business that your neighbors would profit from, how many people would fall for that?

Yet we still have millions of people, despite the evidence, who believe Ronald Reagan was God and his economic policies benefited the country.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:01 AM
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7. Incapable . . . or not caring to -
Really, they can just look at these charts:





Not that hard to do . . .
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:51 AM
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8. Excellent! I wonder what they say when they
look at charts like these? I'm sure they'd find a way to blame it on Democrats.

These charts do tell the story better than words. Even in the worst of times up to now, things have not been as bad, job-wise, as they are now.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:14 PM
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12. No, THEY'RE ever-so-logical standby is . . .
. . .. (drumroll) . . .




"In tew-thousund SEVUN, th' Demucraps took ovur CONGRESS! Bewsh's 'conomah was strawng n gettin strawnger until THAT happ'n'd!!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah. Never mind that reasoning doesn't even take the curiously anemic job growth when Republicans controlled all three branches AND had tax cuts for the wealthy into consideration. Never mind Bush really only had 1.5 strong years of employment under his watch, which didn't even make up for the jobs lost during his first term (incidentally, that strong period was during his re-election year. Hmmmmmmmmm .. ..)

It's an absolute canyon-sized leap in logic as to how Democrats taking over Congress would cause a years-in-the-making bubble to finally pop, but that's one of their standbys.

Oh, and "BARNEY FRANK! ACORN! CRA!!" as chasers.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 03:01 PM
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17. Yes, they will try that. And I hope I meet them because
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 03:02 PM by sabrina 1
I think those old tricks are so easily annihilated at this point. However, I do blame Democrats for coverging up their crimes, and for still trying to do so. If they had been stopped long ago, these phony 'blame Clinton, Acorn, and especially Barney Frank who they love to hate, charges, would have never happened. They would have been too busy yelling about 'injustice' and 'political prosecutions' which would be music to our ears at this point.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:55 AM
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9. Unfortunately, there are too many (Blue Dog) Dems
whom also support extending the upper class tax to use it effectively against the Republicans. :banghead:
Because of the current political circumstances, just letting all of them expire and going back to the drawing board later is the best option. I don't really think that we can afford much in terms of tax cuts anyway and I think that if anybody is seriously talking about passing more tax cuts, they need to be written in such a way so as to be able to clearly demonstrate that they will definitely have a beneficial impact on jobs, job creation, etc. and that they will more or less pay for themselves. We shouldn't just be passing tax cuts for the sake of passing tax cuts IMHO.
At least, nobody's seriously talking about cutting any deals with the Repubs just to get the middle-class tax cuts.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:46 AM
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10. Well, when you look at what these tax cuts cost, trillions of dollars.
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 11:47 AM by sabrina 1
Then you look at what they were supposed to do, create jobs, you can see that income fell, jobs continued to go overseas, and job creation just kept plummeting. So now that they have actual numbers to demonstrate what a failure Bush's tax cut program was for the Middle Class and the country in general, I think it's time to go to the public and let them put pressure on anyone who tries to preserve this disastrous policy.

Politics should be and eventually will have to be, removed from these decisions or what is happening in several countries in Europe will happen here, the people will take matters into their own hands. And I think that time is long overdue since clearly the people we elected could not have done a better job of destroying this country from every possible angle.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:34 PM
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16. I agree
The Republican *argument* for the positive effects of the tax cuts is about as far removed from reality as they can possibly be and I don't want to see them (or really anything with Bush's name attached) extended for even a millisecond.

It would be wonderful to have leaders whom actually debate and discuss real FACTS and figures instead of preaching the value and importance of essentially "faith-based policies" and trying to find ways to line their pockets.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 06:45 AM
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5. they're still in place, and don't forget that the millionHEIRs are begging their parents
to die before January 1, 2011 so that they don't have to pay a dime in inheritance taxes ...

and the economy still sucks.

Don't forget, all the expenditures in this year apply to 2010's taxes, not 2011's, where the tax cuts would have been applied ...
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 06:48 AM
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6. the fact that their supporters are wording it as "Massive Tax Hikes"...that's the issue.
yes,I've pointed out to the massive uninformed in my area how these cuts were done and perpetuated in a time of war,and got....no reaction.The blank stare of sheep.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:07 PM
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11. Maybe it would help to give them flash cards?
There are so many tables in the linked article that show the most important results. The first, the trillions of dollars they cost this country. And the second, how the promise that they would produce jobs was a total fabrication. Jobs continued to go overseas and wages fell.

I think I'll carry a few charts to show my Repub. friends who attempt to try to defend them. Although, to be honest, most of my Repub. family members and friends, no longer defend the Bush administration. It's getting easier to persuade them how wrong he was on so many issues.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:17 PM
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13. DCJ is awesome.
Everyone should read Perfectly Legal and Free Lunch, just to give one a concrete block to the head on how badly they're being screwn by the Plutonomy.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:32 PM
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15. He is awesome. So why are people like him not in the cabinet
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 02:32 PM by sabrina 1
of a Democratic Administration? Instead we have the perpetrators of the biggest crime in this country's history given the power by being appointed to top positions in government, by both parties, to try to cover it all up.

As more information is coming out about exactly what they did, how pre-meditated it was, how Congress knew, and how in the end those at the top will probably escape prosecution for the mortgage and securities fraud, while some underlings will be thrown to the wolves to satisfy the public's anger, the more it becomes apparent that we lost this democracy a long time ago.

On the bright side, every 'conspiracy theory' about a secret government controlling everything, is about to be verified as fact, for what it's worth at this late stage in the fall of the U.S. Empire.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:30 PM
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14. i simply cannot understand why this talking point doesn't put an end to this bullshit
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