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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 07:58 AM
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Just maybe they are wrong??


The media and the polls have done a miraculous job of persuading Democrats that they are terribly depressed and that the Republicans are super enthused.

My question is: If the Repubs were so enthused, how did they let a candidate like Christine O'Donnell win the Senate nomination with just 30,000 votes? Where were the Republicans on that day? Perhaps they have been polling mostly "Tea-Baggers", who seem to be more enthused than the average Republican?

The media is playing it safe. They know that the Party in power usually loses seats in midterm elections. That is the premise they start with. So, the only remaining question that remains is: "How much will the Republicans win by"?

But what if they are wrong? What if their polls are inaccurate? Technology has changed the way we get information and polls are affected by the technology also. The media can always blame the polls or the technology if they are wrong.

No doubt, there has been a blitzkrieg of propaganda against this President since day one and it has taken its toll. However, as we have seen in Delaware and elsewhere, the Republicans, Tea Baggers excepted, are not that enthused. That is why we have to be skeptical of everything we are hearing from the mainstream media.

It is difficult but the Democrats need to ignore this misinformation campaign. They only need to vote on election day. Even if Repubs win 40 seats in the House, they will only have a two-seat majority. That would not be anything super for midterm elections.



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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:05 AM
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1. any poll that rely on land lines is wrong
polls can not show who the undecided will vote for.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:07 AM
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2. It Would Be Enough
I think a lot of Democrats don't understand how Congress works.

Even with a one vote majority in the House, the Republicans would get to set the agenda. Instead of including things that would help working Americans, the agenda would be made of stuff to humiliate President Obama. They have made their goal quite clear the past two years, and power would only intoxicate them on this quest.

Let's say you live in a district with an absolutely horrible Democrat. You know, anti-choice, pro-gun, pro-war, etc. I can understand the temptation to not vote for that DINO. Their vote on issues may not make that big a difference, but as long as that representative has a "D" behind their name, we are reasonably assured of bills to help the American people being voted on, rather than impeachment.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:11 AM
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3. That is very similar to dealing with terrorists..
..in my opinion.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:17 AM
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4. Remember the media is only interested in selling soap
They'll use whatever story will draw viewers to the advertising.

Reality doesn't matter if fiction draws viewers and gains ad revenue more than reality, then fiction gets the column inches.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:02 AM
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5. I'm sure that there are a lot
of real Republicans that are quite sick over their party's primary choices. Only a minority of them voted in the primaries. They will have an 'enthusiam gap' too. That's what I'm hoping.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:08 AM
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6. I think we saw that in O'Donnells race in Delaware...
and in Buck's race in Colorado and in Bennett race in Utah. Repubs did not turn out as they normally do.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:44 AM
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7. The poll on November 2nd will be right....
...and you can help make it a good result.

Volunteer down at Democratic HQ. They need people to make phone calls, knock on doors, compile lists of local events, do data entry, etc.

Help others get their early ballots in case they can't get out on election day.

Get a yard sign.

Talk to your cousin/nephew/aunt etc.

We need to focus on this or the next two years of DU will be not about how to improve the country, but about limiting damage.

thanks,

Scuba
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:00 AM
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8. Republicans have been turning out in huge numbers in their primaries...
Where are you getting the idea they aren't? This is precisely the reason many analysts are touting the enthusiasm gap.

From what I recall, something like 4 million more Republicans turned out this year in the primaries than Democrats - the first time this has happened since 1930.

Further, Republican turnout in Delaware was very high. Not just 30,000 votes. Double that. Near 60,000 votes were cast in that primary when it was expected that only 30,000 would turn out.

The polls are not wrong about the overall direction of this race. I know people are grasping at straws, but the GOP definitely has an advantage and the Tea Party has provided them with a crap load of enthusiasm.

It's not so much that the Democratic base is unusually depressed, it's that the Republican grass roots and movement conservatives are incredibly energized.

All we have to do to survive this election cycle is minimize our losses. If we lose 35 House seats and say 7 Senate seats we will emerge with quite a nice little victory - defying all expectations and retaining control of the House and Senate.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:37 AM
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9. Agree, but with fewer losses
Hoping it isn't 35, closer to 25.
I would almost say losing 35 or less is a lock, and we won't lose the senate.
So, overall, as you say, escape with a relative success.
I'll be happy!
Mid-terms are always rough.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:41 AM
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10. I'm ignoring it because it's obviously misinformation and disinformation
It's an unadulterated propaganda shitstorm. Spin at it's fastest.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:43 AM
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11. I do hope you're right
And I do think the media as a whole tends to find it's theory from some sort of vague common wisdom, and then look for stories that support the theory they've already chosen. So the narrative they've picked, and the one they like, is the one they sell.
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