If We Hold the Senate, We Still Lose It, 'Cause We Never Had It

[DemocracyInaction]

We probably will keep the Senate BUT did we ever have it in the first place? We sure as Blue-Dog-Damn didn't! Bet that the Blue Dogs after the midterms will gingerly leap into the laps of the repukes and play faithful lap dog for the next two years. Sadly, we might end up looking like we held the Senate on paper; but the repukes are going to get whatever they want. Will Obama veto and be the last line of defense..........ummmm, probably not. (And the corporations will rule, forever and ever, hallelujah, amen....they do drink lots of tea in China, don't they?).

[Kolesar]

1. Super-packed with generalizations

Please post again with more specifics.

[DemocracyInaction]

2. We have kidded our selves about the Senate

We spent as much time fighting the bag full of bluedog Dems as we did repukes. I have more faith in my two senators (Snowe and Collins)giving support to us (even though I wouldn't hold my breath on it anymore), then I do of Nelson, Lincoln and the whole sorry lot of them. We had to put guns to head to get the little bit done we did. Repukes WILL pick up some senate seats. Add the blue dogs to their beck and call (and they will come eagerly to their beck and call) and we will go from passing about squat nothing to passing nothing.period! The loss of the House plus the pick up in the Senate, unfortunately, for us will end up being very close to having lost both houses...and the only thing left to stop their agenda would be Obama...and he says he thinks that they will all work together well after the midterms. The winners: corporate America who is busily buying the votes as we speak.

[Davis_X_Machina]

3. Sorry. Does Not Fit Master DU Narrative.

Obama had a filibuster-proof majority and the reason that we don't have MegaVanStimulusDawnPublicCapandJohnsenTradeOptionJones is because OMG! HE'S WORSE THAN BUSH.

[DemocracyInaction]

4. He's fine

and now he has to hold for us because the House will go Repuke and the Senate will be minus a few more Dems and we have had an uphill hell of a trek with the bluedog Dems. Do you expect the blue dogs will go all liberal on us after midterms??? We needed about 10 more Dems to get out Filibuster Heaven but we are going to have less Dems and bluedogs who will own us.

[napi21]

5. I also believe we'll keep the Senate majority, BUT I also think

there will be a new Dem Majority leader. Things aren't looking good for Harry. That could be a blessing in disguise though. I think HArryis a very good man & he knows the rules of the Senate and did manage to get a lot of things passed that many people aid were impossible to do, but he really isn't a public leader. He's way too meek & mild. I understand the next in line is Dick Durbin and I believe HE is far from meek.

[DemocracyInaction]

6. Mixed feelings

We need to keep the NV seat BUT I do like Dick Durbin. I would like to see him in the Oval Office someday. Whatever...either Harry is going to have even more massive boulders to move to get things done OR Durbin maybe could make very loud noises so that the people finally know who are the bastards screwing over this nation.

[WingDinger]

7. Wall street and big corps cutting Obama and Dems off will find us going rogue.

[johnaries]

8. No, we never held the Senate. That's what a lot of people don't

understand. Because the Republicans decided to abuse the filibuster we needed 60 votes to get anything through. At our peak, we had 58 DEms and 2 Independents who "caucused" with the Dems. One of those was Bernie Sanders, whom I highly respect and we can all pretty much expect him to do the right thing. The other was Joe Liebermann. :puke: Despite all the rhetoric about "secret deals" Liebdermann is the reason we have a watered-down HCR and no Public Option.

Since we lost Kennedy's seat because we had a candidate that basically refused to campaign, we now have only 57 Dems and - of course, Bernie. The OP is blaming Blue Dogs and ConservaDems and although I'll admit they are a problem I don't think they are as much of a problem as Jiltin' Joe. But if we won;t to get anything through the next Senate we'll have to either win 2 seats or get some Repukes to cross their Masters and vote with us since the Repukes don't show any sign of being reasonable or doing anything to actually help our country.

So, no, we never really "had" the Senate, even though we held the majority.

[stray cat]

9. It is a continuum -did you prefer the state of control from 2000-4?

[DemocracyInaction]

12. stray cat--stray dogs

Just watch where our Blue dogs go when the repukes narrow the margin. How much of their agenda do they sign on to. Mark my word: they will fight their own Dems more than the Repukes...cause they can just hide out in the pack and not be so singled out.

[TexasObserver]

10. That's wrong. Control of the Senate means control of the process.

[DemocracyInaction]

13. the process.....

..of chasing our filibustered tail around in circles........

[TexasObserver]

17. Better weak Democrats in control of the Senate than crazy Republicans.

[laughingliberal]

18. +1 nt

[stray cat]

11. Then you can not blame the dems blame the people who vote!

[B Calm]

14. Blue Dog Representative Brad Ellsworth running for Senate is

16 points behind the republican Dan Coats for Evan Bayh's old Senate seat.

[Ruby the Liberal]

15. Who'da thought 59 in a caucus couldn't get

shit done without R amendments (that they voted against at the end).

[DainBramaged]

16. And the unrecing crew strikes again......

:eyes:

[rug]

19. The excuses were bad enough with the we don't have 60 votes wailing.

I'm not looking forward to two more years of spin and excuses.

[DainBramaged]

20. Most of that is Harry 'Huh" Reid's fault.

[ThomWV]

21. If Harry had a set of balls on him the Senate wouldn't be a problem.

[zbdent]

22. We would need to have AT LEAST 60 dems in the senate

to combat the "Independent who caucuses with the Dems" Lieberman and the other "Independent", as well as the DINOs who don't bother fighting a filibuster with what the country needs.