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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:54 AM
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NPR Sacks Juan Williams for "I get worried when I see Muslims on a plane" remarks on Fox


NPR announced late on Wednesday night that it has terminated the contract of longtime analyst Juan Williams over his comments on Fox News that, when he is on a plane with Muslims, "I get nervous."

NPR's media reporter David Folkenflik broke the news on Twitter.

Williams' comments came during a discussion with Bill O'Reilly on Monday's "O'Reilly Factor." O'Reilly asked Williams if he had been in the wrong during his now-infamous appearance on "The View" last week. (There, O'Reilly's statement that "Muslims killed us on 9/11" caused Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg to walk off the set in anger.)

Williams replied that he thought O'Reilly had, in fact, been right. He continued:

"I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/21/juan-williams-fired-npr_n_770901.html
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:04 AM
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1. "I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot."
Pretty much has looked like a bigot to me since Obama was running for President, so this isn't a huge surprise. Oh, Juan, I used to like you before then.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:08 AM
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2. Why Do I Have A Feeling This Is Going To Be The Topic Du Jour For The Next Week And One Half?
Why do I have the feeling this is going to be the topic du jour for the next week and one half and drown out everything between now and election day.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:12 AM
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3. all they need now is another one of those perfectly time OBL Tape Releases
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:19 AM
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4. It seems that being a sycophant has caught up to him.
Being on FAUX is beginning to be the kiss of death. It needs to happen more often.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:39 AM
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5. Good! K&R, nt.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:52 AM
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6. Now if he had said a catholic priest around my kid makes me nervous, he would be a hero here
:evilgrin:
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:55 AM
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7. Would it be acceptable for an NPR report to say: I feel nervous when I see a black man walking down
the street?

Of course not. It would be unacceptable on every level.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:57 AM
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8. Race is not a choice, religion is
And if people think what was said was so horrible, then they probably have not read DU much and seen the things said about religious folks. At least they should be consistent.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:02 AM
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10. Yep...race, gender, sexuality are taboo subjects, but religion is fair game...
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 07:03 AM by Amerigo Vespucci
...and you're right. Anyone who doesn't get that "probably has not read DU much."

That's DU, and like Skinner says in the rules, "If you don't like it, you're free to leave." Some days I don't, and on those days I leave for a while, because bigotry is bigotry, no matter what box it's contained in.

:patriot:
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:07 AM
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11. Bull crap.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 07:09 AM by ProgressiveMuslim
It's not about what religion one chooses to practice. It's bigotry based on how people look.

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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:21 AM
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14. Bull crap right back at you.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 07:22 AM by Amerigo Vespucci
It would help if you read the post I responded to.

There is a greater tolerance for bashing religion on DU than "inappropriate" comments about race, gender, or sexuality. That's what I got from The Straight Story's post, that's what I responded to, so where you're getting "bull crap" from I don't know, unless you just didn't read what was being said and went into attack mode, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

Great behavior for someone who flaunts "progressive" in his / her screen name.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:24 AM
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16. I meant bull crap to the notion of Juan's bigotry being based on a "choice."
My comment was misplaced. Sorry!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:47 AM
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22. Why shouldn't religion be fair game?
Why not put the Republican Party off limits as well? When people use religion to hurt others then they need to be called on it..I have NEVER heard even once that the 9-11 attackers ever mentioned religion even once..Religion was not their gripe against America. They did not attack any religious site. They attacked world commerce..They attacked those they felt were stealing their resources not their soul..
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:21 AM
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15. Not at FAUX
It would not surprise me in the least to hear a FAUX 'reporter' spout such a thing. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me to hear Juan Williams say it, for that matter.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:00 AM
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9. Good, but NPR still sucks.

It is ruling class propaganda of a more subtle and refined kind, no friend of the people or earth.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:12 AM
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12. That's a start. Next they should get rid of Cokie Roberts and ...
... the gaggle of giggling bubble-heads that have turned NPR's "Morning Edition" into a cross between Teen Beat and Entertainment Tonight.

While they're at it, they can get rid of the Senior VP who ordered NPR reporters to stay away from Jon Stewart's upcoming rally.

Maybe then I'll start contributing to them again (whenever I get a job).
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:18 AM
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13. This is what it took??!?!?!?

He's been making me sick for 10 years!

I fondly recall a truly orgasmic moment talking about Saint Ronny.
I swear, the needed a wipe after his full 2 minutes of gushing!

Now I just have to put up with long conversations with the right and
a few quotes from the left as their idea of balanced.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:24 AM
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17. NPR is defining their version of free speech.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:37 AM
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21. Free speech?
Why is it that every time some jerkoff gets fired for saying something stupid, someone always trots out the tired and utterly misplaced analysis of the "free speech rights" of the jerkoff in question? Every time. For the ten thousandth time, the First Amendment prohibits the government from infringing upon one's right to speak freely, it does not protect one from getting fired for being an idiot.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:01 AM
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25. Thanks for pointing that out. (But don't expect that it'll make
much difference - people are immune to the legal scope of the First Amendment. They like to believe that whenever anybody challenges anything that they have said, it's perforce 'violating their Freedom of Speech' (see Dr. Laura).
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 10:02 AM
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29. OMG. Do you really think
I was making a constitutional argument? There is a concept of free speech that goes well beyond what the Constitution refers to as "Freedom Of Speech". People and institutions define what is tolerable and intolerable to them. My statement is simply a fact, without opinion. If you don't like my wording, too bad.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:35 PM
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31. You are free to not know what you are talking about
It's a free country, so to speak.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:55 PM
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34. What a lame response.
Your user name would indicate that you should be capable of much better.

Thank goodness for anonymity?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:47 AM
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23. Free speech does not mean you are immune from consequences
NPR did not try to censor what he says. He's still free to say whatever he wants. Free speech does not mean you can say whatever you want and just expect everyone to shut up about it and do nothing.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:25 AM
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18. Took long enough
now FALSE NEWS can hire him full-time. He's been posing for them for years, now they can make it official.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:31 AM
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19. Usually any sentence that begins with I am not a bigot/racist/sexist/homophobe etc....
end with the person proving the opposite.

It is pretty damn accurate predictor.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:35 AM
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20. well. it's a start.
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kcks Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:53 AM
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24. So much
for free speech he was not NPR time and stated his view.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 10:33 AM
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30. Go piss off your employer, publicly, on your day off.
Give him the 'free speech' excuse, I'm certain he won't fire you.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:31 AM
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26. Offensive stereotyping yes, but it is free speech.
Williams should have been fired for insipid commentary long ago. But I hate to see him fired for these comments. I think it will discredit NPR in the eyes of the poor sorts of folks who watch Fox "News." That is a shame, because Fox "News" info-crack addicts need NPR more than most. (NPR is absolutely excellent. Half an hour spent listening to it pulls an hour of Fox "News" insanity-inducing contaminants out of your bloodstream.)

Out of respect for the Constitution, obnoxious speech should be given wide latitude, not just by the government but by the citizens. Firing Williams doesn't make the stereotype go away. NPR should have given him a chance to explain himself and possibly apologize. It was a stupid thing to say, and an apology admitting that would have helped defuse the stereotype. Making Williams a political correctness martyr reinforces the tension.

I think Behar and Goldberg walking out on O'Reilly was fine, if ineffective. I wish Behar had said, "Bill, when I'm over at Fox News I don't look over my shoulder worrying that they will all try molest me with a loofah."


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:34 AM
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27. faux loves conservative black people
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:39 AM
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28. Yet the pretend this guy is a liberal. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:50 PM
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32. Best news I have heard in a long time....
Personally, I am thrilled that NPR dumped that asshole Williams. Almost restores my faith in NPR.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:54 PM
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33. Apparently, people are more comfy saying what they really think now.
of course if it's televised or recorded, they get fired.. Juan. Helen, Rick, and others have learned their lessons the hard way.

It must be the world we live in. People see nothing wrong anymore about just letting it all hang out...without any thought of the repercussions.

there are rules for public discourse, and these people knew the rules..they chose to break them..
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