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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:03 PM Original message |
Poverty and desperation in upstate New York |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. it's happening everywhere |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Yes it is. The food bank here |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. A food bank here has people outside the grocery store giving out a list of food they need. |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's always more real..... |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. We need to make these people more visible. We need to make the problems in this country visible. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. That's an accurate observation, IMO. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You are exactly right, but your observation will likely only draw ire from "progressives". |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
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ThomasQED (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. This comment is absolutely despicable. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #31 |
51. I agree with you, animals suffer terribly in this country |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Hasn't been my observation. We have an animal shelter here that |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Thank you. Something is terribly out of whack with our values. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I'm 100% behind ASCPA but something IS wacky. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. What an absolutely despicable comment!!!! 1111 !!!! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Quote that pairs with your story |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. A reduction in my taxes is not a subsidy. Just this week I was working on a renewal application |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I understand your need for denial. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I understand your need to define everyone and everything in a way that suits your limited |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I understand your need to vilify me and ignore the sources and quotes. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. And you have no real life experiences. Hell anyone can find quotes to support their way of thinking |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. do you have any idea how many people you turn against your cause by lashing out at ppl on your own |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I've noticed that it's usually people who didn't listen to her when |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. How the hell would you possibly know that? |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Look, I live in a planned community that has affordable housing. It is administered by the county |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I understand your need to deny and defend. The facts speak for themselves. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. i see you've met bob. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. hey bobbolink |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. the info is in my post # 10. There are also other resources with the same sort of info. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
54. I know that here in my town there are literally hundreds of multi-million dollar |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I think you have a very good idea .... very high property taxes on second, third, etc. homes. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Yea, sure. I've never owned a home but I have some knowledge of the issue. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. that is eye-opening |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
44. A) It is absolutely a subsidy; B) the subsidy distorts the real estate market, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. Well said! "Do you live in subsidized housing?" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Edit: dupe nt |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. we DO need to inform ourselves,and others |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Stuff storage |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. K & R nt |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. K&R |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. I live in an area very similar to yours.it kills me. |
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FredMertz (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
24. A heart-breaking story |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Oh, that's easy - gated communities; conservative media outlets worshipping the wealthy; |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Two words: Much Ambien. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
26. knr |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
28. Talking about it is a start - the moment they silence us is when they've won. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Talking, yes.... helping, yes..... BUT also educating about the true facts, and |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Really good point bobbolink - |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Worse charity is expensive and does little |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Precisely why I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS check an NGO's financial statements. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
57. I'm sure that that is true of a lot of non-profit organizations, but I know |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Yeah I work with them, perhaps I should have added ... |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Cat., I couldn't agree more with your stance on the "moral nannies" issue. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
41. k & r |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
42. HVAC - the first thing to be cut in budgets is routine maintenance. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Good point. I always say home repairs like that are "invisible." |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Yes. And the powers that be usually have no clue. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Giving respect to the HVAC guys and gals |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
46. Update: family is local |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Good news! |
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Anser (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Glad to hear that |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Maybe contact Wishadoo for them? |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Thanks, Cat |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
50. I live much further upstate than you do |
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