Praying for the French. Time for a new French Republic?

[Karmadillo]

http://www.ianwelsh.net/praying-for-the-french/

Praying for the French

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RULE #1 Of Post-Modern Elite Thinking: Elites think in terms of costs. If the cost of something is less than the benefit of doing it, assuming the return is also high enough they will almost certainly do it.

The strikes and shutdowns are a COST. The benefit of raising the pension age is that it pays for bailouts, bonuses and high salaries for the elites (since it helps pay to continue the financial casino.) Unless the cost is clearly going to be higher than the gain, they will do it. The strikes and other actions must continue until the elites who run Sarkozy realize the cost is higher than the benefit to them. Or, of course, they can be made to fear something more existential. It may be time for a new French Republic, for example, which takes power out of their hands entirely and bankrupts them by forcing them to pay back all their ill-gotten gains.

At this point in time, France is the only nation in the first world where there is meaningful resistance to the rush of Austerity (aka. Hooverism) and the attempt by elites to permanently break the power and wealth of the middle and working class.

Pray for France. Because if they fall, no one is even trying, and if they fall the elites will know they can take anything away from any first world’s nation’s population.

[marmar]

1. Liberté, égalité, fraternité !!!!

They taught the world how to revolt against the Aristocracy/Kleptocracy once. They'll do it again.

[Xipe Totec]

5. They're out of cake. Sorry. nt

[marmar]

10. No, they just need to reclaim it. Sorry.

nt

[stray cat]

2. Maybe therevwill be another blood bath with beheadings of the leaders and anarchy

[marmar]

3. Hyperbolic intellectual dishonesty much?

nt

[HCE SuiGeneris]

4. You're a beauty.

However, I sense that you are also tired of the sham.

[Panaconda]

8. Hey you've come around I see

Let's review.

You are suggesting that the leaders will be deposed, albeit in a rather gruesome way and then the political system of violence and oppression- CAPITALISM- which will be replaced by a just system of anarchic collectivism in which people have direct say in the political decision-making process.

I never had you pegged for an anarchist. You're growing on me.

Anarchism is a political philosophy which considers the state undesirable, unnecessary and harmful, and instead promotes a stateless society, or anarchy. It seeks to diminish or even abolish authority in the conduct of human relations. Anarchists may widely disagree on what additional criteria are required in anarchism. The Oxford Companion to Philosophy says, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance."

There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive. Strains of anarchism have been divided into the categories of social and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications. Anarchism is often considered to be a radical left-wing ideology,and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-statist interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism or participatory economics. However, anarchism has always included an individualist strain supporting a market economy and private property, or morally unrestrained egoism. Some individualist anarchists are also socialists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

[pnwmom]

12. What does anarchism have to do with an early retirement age?

In a real anarchy, no one would have to support anyone else's retirement. This is the issue behind the strikes -- the state supported retirement age is being raised to 62. The anarchists and the strikers would seem to have opposite goals. One wants the collapse of the state, the other wants MORE state taxation and benefits.

[leftstreet]

13. if you could only hear yourself

"no one would have to support anyone else's retirement"


We are our brothers/sisters keepers.
It should be an honor to help each other

[pnwmom]

15. Yeah, right. That's how the typical anarchist thinks.

:sarcasm:

We are our "each other's keepers" is a Judeo/Christian belief. It's also a belief of "nanny statists." And of many American progressives. But it isn't a part of anarchist philosophy.

[maryf]

17. So do you not believe we should watch out for each other?

sincere question.

[pnwmom]

19. As a progressive who believes in what others call the "nanny state,"

I absolutely think we should not only watch out for but support each other. I am for government taxes, schools, heath care, etc., etc.

But I wasn't talking about liberals or progressives -- I was disagreeing with anarchist philosophy, which supports none of these.

[maryf]

22. but most true anarchists

believe that the way to anarchism is through stages, the first is through socialistic programs, I believe. Others feel free to correct...

[pnwmom]

23. From post #8 above:

The Oxford Companion to Philosophy says, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance."

Some individual anarchists might support some degree of socialism at some point along the way -- but it isn't an inherent part of the philosophy. Many other anarchists are libertarians who want as little government as possible -- libertarians aren't socialists.

[Odin2005]

6. Time to send the Corporate Elites to the Guillotine?

[glitch]

7. Best post for quite awhile

and that includes some great posts on wikileaks.

:applause:

[pnwmom]

9. Is 62 such an unrealistic retirement age?

I know the birth rate in France isn't very high. Are there enough younger workers in France to support such a large retirement population?

Just wondering. I'd be thrilled if we could retire here at 62.

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[uppityperson]

20. 62 is only partial retirement, like here. 67 is now full retirement. Like here. nt

[Starry Messenger]

14. k & r!

[Karmadillo]

16. Solidarity kick

nt

[maryf]

18. Solidarity kick back!

And recommend to boot!

[JustAnotherGen]

21. They'll push back the next election

I've no doubt about that. I was there when Sarkozy came into power in 2007 (May of that year). I saw tears in a tiny brasserie while watching Chirac's farewell address. And the people I was there with? Felt they should have pushed harder for Royal. I wouldn't be surprise if their next President is a woman. The woman who this summer pegged Sarkozy as 'corrupt' finally after three years. Change is coming - they gave the 'far right' guy a shot to clean up the economy and for their efforts? Look at what a bucket of sheeet (ever her a person from Lyon pronounce it in English? LOL!) they got handed.