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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 10:53 PM Original message |
From Sibel Edmonds: The King of Madrasas Now Operates Over 100 Charter Schools in the US? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. the comments on the boiling frog site are very interesting.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, they are. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. K & R n/t |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. If they are teaching religion in the publicly chartered school, |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. They do not appear to be |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You've been to one of these charter schools? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I doubt the guy preaches anything to children |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Other than "bundling" and campaign contributions and influence. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Anything specific? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. We can pretend if you want that Turkish influence peddling |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. The Turkish government doesn't seem to like this guy, though |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. What about Gulen AKP connections in 2007? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Do you want to state facts in connection with these schools? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Certainly. I am against charter schools as a substitute for public |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
101. No, it appears that you don't. He wanted a restoration of the Theocracy that been replaced. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
44. Deleted message |
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. "Perhaps you should invest some effort into researching these institutions before you comment" |
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kaelot (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. You aren't dense, just lacking facts and knowledge about Gulen and Turkic Charter Schools :) |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Okay I read that |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. How interesting. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
8. Glad you are posting this. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
13. k & r |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
14. Edmonds is a fraud |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Is the USA Today story a fraud also? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yes, this piece is a smear job through and through |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Simple. A madrasa or madrasah is |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. I think you touch on a great example of why this appears to be a smear piece |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. The Schakowsky attack was really slimy |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Sorry but the connections between the AKP, The Niagara Foundation, |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Other than Glenn Beck's Chalkboard |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. The Gulen schools are called madrasas in the other countries |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. And Obama's middle name is Hussein |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Why don't you tell me what I'm doing? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Madrasa is the arabic word for any type of educational institution |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. By other countries, I was speaking of countries, like the US, |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. He has 25 Billion dollars and has schools all over the world. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. What is the Walton family getting as a "political price"? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You really don't care that taxes are going to religious schools? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I care deeply - I haven't seen one shred of evidence these are "religious schools" |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. You are barking up the wrong tree. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
82. and where does it go? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. There are pages linked in my posts. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You seem not to understand something |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. You read way too much into what I posted. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. You said "religious schools" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Yes, it is too much to ask when you can read the links for yourself. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. !! scimitars! |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
102. I had the sad experience of attending PUBLIC schools in the South. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
85. is it a "religious school" because a muslin is tangentially related to it? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Nothing geo-political. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
83. lol. you can't figure it out? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Deleted message |
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. They are really death camps, not charter schools? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. The article did not call the charter school a madrasa. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Isn't it annoying when immigrants bring their crap to the US? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. Deleted message |
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. "Discovery School Of Tulsa is arranging Field Trips to Science Museum of Oklahoma, Omniplex" |
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kaelot (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. Zero evidence....NO, the evidence exists.... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Thanks kaelot. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. So these charter schools in Oklahoma |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. Good question! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. A lot of late night 7/11 clerks are Turks! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
88. hookay sir trollalot... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. By whose definition? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. People here ever since the Schakowsky incidence. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I do |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
80. I guess she was totally wrong about Dennis Hastert wasn't she. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. He is a lobbyist that is certain |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. I think you need to explain WHERE you think she is lying. I don't see it! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
19. 8 Catholic schools, an evangelical school in FL, 4 NY schools, 1 in PA |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
23. The article reads like freeper "muslim" hysteria. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. They are getting taxpayer money. That is my gripe. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The schools discussed in the OP are not "religious schools" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. You need to read more about the schools. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Being against charter schools is one thing,using freeper |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I'm aware of the problems of charter schools |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Because they are getting our tax money that should go to public schools |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. You're skirting the real issue some of us have with this. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. Yep... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Deleted message |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. New personal rule... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Um... What insult? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. ahhh... gotcha... pardon my terse response! |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Funny that the article only seeks to whip up hysteria about |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Exactly!! nt |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
32. No fucking charter schools! They are Trojan horses for anyone willing to run one. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. Wow. Sibel Edmonds is a fraud and it's all fine as long as they don't require burkas as |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. The only thing Edmonds has done with great skill is |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
81. yeah, burkas: way beyond the pale. us tax dollars supporting private religions, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
79. K & R nt |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
84. The Recs on this thread are a monument to willfull ignorance |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. the bev harris of today. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. And for you to call her a liar, either you have to be an FBI insider or... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. One need not be an FBI insider to find gargantuan flaws in Edmond's stories |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I would assert that YOU have absolutely no idea of what her job was! |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
90. Gulen's mystifying agenda begs a lot of scrutiny from my point of view... Shadow of the Holy Book... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
91. Gives you a pain in your chest ... especially when Obama/Duncan are pushing Charter schools .... |
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RRF1966 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
94. Gulen charter schools |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Thanks for the information. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
95. I did not realize the hatred against Edmonds. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I do not hate Edmonds |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Vinnie, go get the "Shadow of the Holy Book" DVD and watch it and come back here later... |
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RRF1966 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 05:48 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. why it's wrong |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Thanks for the information. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Thanks for the information. |
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