I really really really REALLY HATE Christian Republican Fundies

[Taverner]

Seriously - I want them gone. Out of my country, out of my planet. I don't care where, but just that they go.

I don't want them polluting my schools with their delusions, or polluting my workplace with their crap.

They are the scared villagers, who are worried that the crops haven't returned after sacrificing hundreds of Virgins to the volcano.

And I'm sure they think the same of me.

[sakabatou]

1. Give all the fundies on every religion their own planet

and just watch in horror

[Taverner]

5. They'd find a way to fuck up the rest of the universe for the rest of us

[sakabatou]

9. You're probably right

Into a black hole then?

[YOY]

10. You mean into "the wormhole express to God".

n.t.

[sakabatou]

11. Yes of course

We could also give out insurance that their souls would get there.

[Initech]

2. Amen to that! (pun intended)

[LiberalLoner]

3. Oh, man, me too. I thought I was the only one, LOL! Now I don't feel so guilty. n/t K&R

[grilled onions]

4. I Agree

They push their fear,their hate.their prejudices,their "raptures",their entire intolerance to anyone and everyone who does not agree with their thinking,their hates,doesn't attend THEIR congregation/church/store front--whatever. They bitch when don't go, they bitch louder when we don't attend theirs'. There are so many prongs in their ideas. You must breed but only IF you are married to the opposite sex. Many feel it's "illegal" to breed out of wedlock,not breed when you are married,birth control is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! as is a hundred other ideas they have.
No where do I see the words LOVE! PEACE! Nowhere do I see their concern for the homeless,the hungry,the abused,the sick. It just doesn't fit in their world. Mars would suit them better anyhow.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy"

[Lilyeye]

17. I agree and I consider myself a Christian.

These people make me sick and I will always speak about against those disgusting thugs.

[krabigirl]

27. Organized Christianity for many has become their own private hateful country club.

For some. Not all.

However i refuse to hate them. I cannot stand to be around them, but i don't hate.

[WestSeattle2]

59. Perfectly said! Hating anyone or any group is a waste of time

[timtom]

112. I like your response.

Measured.
Thoughtful.

[Bonhomme Richard]

6. +1000 n/t

[meow mix]

7. K&R

[YOY]

8. Yeah, I tend to get called nasty names for saying things like that sometimes.

Mostly because I expect adults to be responsible for their own actions and beliefs and judge them because they are capable of doing that.

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

12. I don't care for them much Myself.

I think I spelled it out very clearly in Matthew 25 what I think of those idiots who like to speak My name and call themselves My disciples, while ignoring My teachings.

[RagAss]

13. Call Harry Reid Right Fucking Now !!!!!!!!!

[blondeatlast]

31. How many times are you going to spam that? nt

[RagAss]

80. Until Harry actually stands up to these shitbags. You do realize he could have made us proud !

[walldude]

14. I hate all Religious fundies...

The arrogance of any human being who claims to know the "word of god" which is nothing more than some books written by other MEN who claim to know the "word of god" is astounding.

Organized religion is nothing more than another means of control. If there is a god this is not what he wanted.

[Taverner]

15. Yes. I agree. 100%

[earthboundmisfit]

22. All about power, baby -

Always has been, always will be.

[krabigirl]

28. I agree.

[badgerpup]

34. They don't seem to have very much respect for their god...

Oh, they'll talk the talk about being 'god-fearing', but if you listen to what they say and watch how they behave, they treat their god like a bad dog they can sicc on people...or a big stick with which to threaten them, or maybe a not-very-bright, but HUGE, POWERFUL, and absolutely devoted big brother who'll go all HULK SMASH! on anyone he's been told has dissed baby bro.

That does not seem respectful to me. :shrug:

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

64. If you want to know the Word of God

then know My teachings. For in the beginning, the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

In other words, the Word is Me. :) Though I pretty much agree with you on organized religion. It was corrupt even when I was on Earth, and still is today. :(

[DBoon]

16. I've come to the conclusion fundamental christianity is worse than scientology

At least scientology only wants your money (granted they want every penny of it). ASAIK, they have very limited political ambitions

Fundamentalists won't rest until every single person is required to follow their doctrine, and theyy are willing to use political power to force this

[backscatter712]

36. Scientologists want every person to follow their doctrine too, and they DO use political power...

and violence to force this.

Scientologists are yet another flavor of fundie.

[Taverner]

57. Yep. They're all bullshit mumbo jumbo shit to control the masses

[RZM]

48. I don't know about that

I've never really subscribed to any form of Christianity, but I do recognize that contemporary evangelical Christianity has at least emerged from a tradition going back a long way in Western spiritual life. Like it or not, it's got a real history and pattern of development. I don't care for it myself, but I do recognize it as coming out of actual religious traditions. Scientology, on the other hand, is a ridiculous scam dreamed up only decades ago by a fourth-rate writer and preys on spiritually-thirsty gullible types with deep pockets. It's pretty fake and doesn't originate from any real tradition, save bad science fiction writing and the age-old human desire find any excuse to get in people's pockets.

[Marr]

91. So what you're saying is...

Christianity is more legitimate, because it's been practiced longer? So Scientology will be just as legitimate once it's weathered a millenium or so?

[RZM]

96. It would have to do a lot more than that

It would have to catch on as a 'universal religion' the way Christianity did, travel far and wide, become the state religion of numerous political entities and serve as a foundation for a broad band of world culture. If it did all of those things, people 1000 years from now probably would think of it as more legitimate. That's my point. Christianity (and other religions too) have been shaped by a long period of doctrinal debate and cultural interactions. Scientology sprang from the mind of a hustler not too long ago and is called a 'church' in no small part for tax reasons.

[Marr]

97. Ah- I understand you now.

I expect you're right-- two thousand years of passing through different social systems must temper a religion to a degree.

[Taverner]

101. Look you guys - BOTH are bad

It's like arguing "Would you rather die by a thousand stabbings or a thousand bullet holes?"

[RZM]

105. I just can't agree

Maybe it's because as an American, I'm a 'Christian' by birth, even if in reality I'm an atheist through and through. Christianity has plenty of problems, but it's a REAL UNIVERSAL RELIGION, with an actual history, while Scientology is a ridiculous scam generated only a few generations ago. While I'm not interested in becoming a Christian now, I'd take Methodism over Scientology any day.

[Taverner]

109. Granted there are moderate factions of most religions

Even Scientology has one (although they're not part of Scientology proper, just a bunch of break-aways who wanted to practice Scientology without the scam and brainwashing)

But its that suspension of belief in collective reality and the belief in this other reality that no one can measure or hold to account that most problems arise.

Case in point: Abraham and the sacrifice of Issac.

[Quantess]

107. No, I think they seem less egregious to you only because there are far fewer of them.

A fundie is a fundie. No matter what religion, fundies are all potentially dangerous.

[lunatica]

18. I've been anti-religion for a long time

Religion poisons the mind because it promises the worst kind of punishments for doubters just for doubting. They literally put the fear of God into everyone at a very early age.

[Taverner]

19. Thing is I'm not 'Anti-religion'

Just against an interpretation of anything that is illogical.

If a Theist wants to argue that Christianity can bring about peace by planting flowers, so be it.

If a Theist, however, wants to argue x can bring about peace by killing everyone else - I start to have a problem.

Basically - when their 'right' infringes on my right - then I have a big problem.

[WCGreen]

20. I could tolerate them if they would just keep to themselves and

mind their own business...

[krabigirl]

29. Exactly..i am very live and let live, but they don't mind their own business.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

21. How do you feel about far-right Republicans who aren't Christians?

And what about members of the far right who aren't Republicans or Christians, or who are Christians but not Republicans (I suspect that most of the really ultra-right nutjobs in the US fall into this last category).

[Lindsey]

23. I totally agree. Not to mention that IMHO it's their fault for all of

the recent suicides regarding Gays and Lesbians. They are truly not Christ's followers. They have turned so many people away from the very concept of Religion. I'm a very spiritual person and most of the Christian I know aren't. So very sad.

[NC_Nurse]

24. Yep, they suck. Too bad they aren't going anywhere. I guess they feel the same

Way about the rest of us sane people. We're ruining their domionist vision. Snort.

[w8liftinglady]

25. can I come to your unfundie country?Mine SUCKS!

[Qutzupalotl]

26. They hate "hippies"

or whatever our stereotype du jour is. That hate prevents them from seeing any merit in our arguments, and sometimes even from listening. As soon as you identify as a Democrat, anything else you say is assumed to be a lie.

I hate what the religious right has done to the country, but I see their rank-and-file as simply ignorant pawns. The leadership has entrenched the ignorance with propaganda masquerading as news and social pressures keeping people in churches where political opinions are treated as gospel.

At some point, both sides have to turn the hate down a notch, to at least consider the other's point of view. Otherwise politics becomes like the tides: any gains are temporary and erased soon afterwards, and we never get anywhere.

[Taverner]

44. I am all for the rights they feel they have lost

They are delusional if they think they are persecuted though...

[txaslftist]

30. Funny.

I live in the heart of red state texas, and one of my neighbors is a Christian Republican fundamentalist.

We had a discussion about illegal immigrants. She really didn't like them. I told her if I lived in Juarez and was starving, I'd come across too in order to support my family, legal or not. I mentioned that the illegals are some of the hardest working and most devout Christians I've ever met. She seemed baffled.

The next week we talked again. She said she had thought a lot about what I said, and prayed about it, and read the bible about immigrants and foreigners and how we are supposed to show hospitality to strangers. She said that after talking to me, she'd changed her mind on immigration.

But she's a Republican Christian fundamentalist, so I hate her ass.

[Enthusiast]

38. Most Christian Republican fundamentalists

don't actually consider Roman Catholics to be Christians at all. Most illegal immigrants being Roman Catholics.

[txaslftist]

40. don't fit into neat categories...

Just like Democrats don't, and Republicans don't and Americans don't.

[MedicalAdmin]

75. But she's a Republican Christian fundamentalist, so I hate her ass.

BWahahahahahaha. Great comment.

Hate is hate no matter which way it's aimed.

[AnArmyVeteran]

32. Fundies, Al Qaeda, Taliban... What's the difference?.

I more I read and understand the more I believe how primitive and barbaric religions are. Whether it's Christian, Islam, Hindu, etc they are all equal to voodoo or utter superstition. Why did an all-knowing god begin most of the world's biggest religions when man was primitive, before the printing press or before the inventions of audio and video recording equipment? And why would a celestial force that "always was and always will be" choose only men to write all the 'holy works'?

The more fundamentalist a reliigious group is the more subservient their women are. I don't understand how any female could believe any religious literature since not one woman was allowed to participate in the creation (or fabrication) of it. Even in the Ten Commandments women are equated to property, like asses, oxen and manservants (slaves). Sorry, but I believe women to be my equals and I love intelligent, independent women. Fundies and right wingers seem to be threatened by women with brains.

[txaslftist]

39. You wanna tack "Americans" on there, too?

'Cause if I lived in Pakistan right now, I sure would. Or Afghanistan or Iraq.

"Democracy is coming to save us! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!"

You think American Exceptionalism isn't a fundamentalist religion?

There's all kinds of wackos out there.

[Taverner]

46. It's pure delusion - you're correct there

and it needs to end, but it's not...

[Raksha]

49. I don't think American Exceptionalism is exactly the same thing as Christian fundamentalism,

but it's a very effective marriage of convenience--for them. For the rest of the world (including the rest of America) it's a match made in Hell!

It's a sick joke that so often they commit their crimes in the name of "freedom" or "democracy," when they obviously don't know the meaning of either word.

[txaslftist]

52. It wasn't the fundies that kicked off Vietnam.

That was our boys in uniform and their lobbies.

And when your house is being hit by a Predator missile, I bet you'd rather be attacked by a fundie with a bible and an attitude.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. An accident of history.

Christian fundies ran into the Enlightenment, and found themselves capable of inflicting much less misery.

Muslim fundies were luckier.

[earth mom]

33. Feel exactly the same way! K & R!

:kick:

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[AnArmyVeteran]

55. If we had a HATE OLYMPICS religions would win every contest.

More hatred has been inspired by religion than for any other reason. I'm not bashing all religions and I know they play an important social and spiritual role for millions of good people, but all too often it seems as if extremists have hijacked religion and they display the worst kinds of acts against their fellow man. Religion shouldn't be used as a weapon as it too often is used.

[txaslftist]

66. Hmmm. Why is hatred bad or wrong?

Where'd you get that idea?

[AnArmyVeteran]

74. LOL, isn't 'love' the opposite of hate and what 'christians' should be focused on?

[MedicalAdmin]

76. the opposite of love is apathy.

Think about it for a second before you respond.






The opposite of hate is like.

[Quantess]

108. Well said.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

37. I'm in Texas too and I can't stand them.

They're everywhere. They hate Obama. They want you to go to their church. They put big assed crosses in their front yards. If they are real fancy they have xmas lights on them, or they have THREE crosses.

I should ask my neighbor when she's gonna get a Catherine Wheel, or an electric chair or an Iron Maiden or maybe a Rack. She wouldn't know what those are.

She killed the most valuable thing she had, a big sago palm. The fronds turned brown and die, which they do every year. She was told it was alive, and would come back. Did they listen??? Nooo.
They chopped it up and burned it. :banghead:

I love plants. The depths of their stupidity kills me.

I went to the post office and got some Simpsons stamps. I asked the people in line if they ever watched The Simpsons. They had never heard of it and never watched it. All they can deal with is stupid sitcoms with stupid joke, laugh track for conditioned response, stupid joke, laugh track...repeat ad infinitum. Pavlovian dogs is what they are.

You have to engage the eyes, the ears and the brain to watch the Simpsons. Too deep for them.

I figure they just make shit up about me and DH because we won't go to any church.

[Taverner]

47. They probably watch Christian TV shows and Christian Sitcoms

The sitcoms exist, I'm sorry to say

[NICO9000]

56. Never heard of The Simpsons?

I can believe that they've never seen it 'cos you are absolutely right that you need a brain to watch the show. I guess you could live in a totally sealed Christian bubble and never heard of the show, but I'll bet they were lying about that one.

We bought the stamps too as my wife and I are kinda waaaay too into the show ("King of the Hill" and a lot of the Adult Swim shows too). Maybe you should give your neighbor some real Iron Maiden (the band, natch) and watch her head explode. My personal suggestion would be the album entitled "The Number of the Beast"...

:evilgrin:

[RZM]

41. Some probably think the same of you

But plenty of others would probably 'pray for you' in the hopes that you 'see the light' and 'accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.' There's a lot of that as well.

[MedicalAdmin]

77. My wifes grandmother prayed for us every day until she died.

Sweet woman and very devout. She didn't get us, but she still loved us.

I'll take that kinda christian over the haters any day.

[Raksha]

42. I don't think there are any words to express the depth of my hatred for them.

And the more I learn about them the more I despise them, especially the Christian Reconstructionists who will stop at nothing to impose their nightmare theocracy on the rest of America and the world. I don't see any difference between Muslim and Christian fundies, except for the culture they happen to have been born into. But the mindset is exactly the same, and it's the same kind of cult thinking you find in the Moonies or Scientology.

When I try to narrow it down, to figure out WHAT exactly I find so terrifying about them, what it all comes down to for me is not just their superstitions but above all their total lack of ethics or morality. I used to spend a ridiculous amount of time arguing with Christian fundies on various interfaith discussion boards, and at one point I asked one loudmouth born-again Bible believer how she defined good and evil. We were (again!) arguing about "salvation by faith" vs. "salvation by works," to use the traditional terms.

She answered "Good is what is pleasing to God and evil is what is not pleasing to God," based of course on her narrow-minded reading of the Tanakh, aka the Old Testament to Christian fundies and other Christians. Of course there is no such idea as "salvation by faith" anywhere in Judaism, but that's beside the point. After all, THEY have replaced US as "God's chosen people," so what the hell would WE know about our own Scriptures or our own religion?

I have never forgotten those words because they scared the crap out of me. A notion of ethics or morality that is purely arbitrary, with no actual content whatsoever, not even the Golden Rule, is no morality at all. And that's what terrifies me the most about the fundies. For all their prattle about morality, they are actually totally amoral. In fact, they are flat-out EVIL by any rational standard.

Their political behavior with its endless hypocrisy bears this out over and over again. It's really ALL about identity and all about CONTROL. If you're a member of the club you can literally get away with murder, because "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven," one of the more odious and offensive bumper stickers of all time.

Our liberal standards of religious tolerance protect and enable these people who DO NOT for one minute extend the same courtesy to us. I'm fed up with it. They'd burn any of us at the stake for heresy if they could--I have never doubted that for one minute.

[Taverner]

50. "They'd burn any of us at the stake for heresy if they could"

Agree 100%

:thumbsup:

[RZM]

53. I've never had a single problem with a fundie on a personal level

Not one. And believe me, I've known plenty (at one point I worked in an office where I was the only non-evangelical). I'll admit I've always had a soft spot for many devout Christians, mainly because I've generally judged most of them to be nicer on a personal level than most of the rest of the population. Over the years I've received more than a few offers to come to church, but I've always politely declined and I've never had to deal with unwanted offers after. Of course I realize there are plenty of evangelicals who aren't like that at all, but I can't say I've ever interacted with one. I'm pretty confident that no devout person I've known would want to burn me at the stake for heresy - actually, I've had a lot of great conversations with them about religion . . . I've found that many of them don't have personal interactions with non-evangelicals on a regular basis and quite often I've found they are curious about my lack of faith and other views that are not common in their circles.

[txaslftist]

67. Intolerance. Prejudice. Dangerous. murderous. persecutorial.

there's a few words you can use.

[MedicalAdmin]

78. +1 -- excellent analysis!

They are amoral. Yes!

They are complete moral relativists but without the foundation of something to relate to. Like a house without a foundation.

[cynatnite]

43. I have a hard time hating my mom...

She's what I'd call a christian repub fundie. The hatred isn't there.

[Raksha]

51. Well, as long as your Mom isn't an enthusiastic wielder of Constantine's sword,

I'm not gonna hate her either. But too damn many of them ARE!!!

[txaslftist]

68. Well you should.

/s

[Dawson Leery]

54. K/R!

[mitchum]

58. May the all soon be with their precious lord

[txaslftist]

69. Funny.

their desire to see us exterminated seems to have an equal counterpart.

[mitchum]

71. No, they are the ones who are ALLEGEDLY looking forward to a glorious afterlife...

but it appears that they won't put their asses where their prayer-puking mouths are.
I just want for them the thing that they so fervently desire.
That's rather nice of me, is it not?

[Taverner]

102. R'amen to that!

[AnnieBW]

60. Word dat.

Give them their own country to run, like Somalia.

[progressiveinaction]

61. I really really really REALLY HATE Muslim Fundies

Seriously - I want them gone. Out of my country, out of my planet. I don't care where, but just that they go.

I don't want them polluting my schools with their delusions, or polluting my workplace with their crap.

They are the scared villagers, who are worried that the crops haven't returned after sacrificing hundreds of Virgins to the volcano.

And I'm sure they think the same of me.

[Raksha]

62. Muslim fundies are mostly a problem in Muslim countries,

although I understand they are getting to be a bigger problem in Europe as the Muslim population increases there. In the USA they are vastly outnumbered by Christian fundies.

Re your screen name, "progressiveiaction." Yeah, sure you are. :sarcasm:

[RadiationTherapy]

70. He's mocking us! Progressive INaction!

Why the name has nearly two meanings! Puns!...nooooooooooo!

[progressiveinaction]

82. Over analyzing

No two meanings. Why the hostility?

[progressiveinaction]

81. What?

How do you know what country I'm from? Also, the "out of my planet" part of the post takes care of any regional concerns.

The point of the post was to see if I replaced Christian with another religion, if the reaction would be the same as I hate double standards. I got hostility on the very first reply.

Why are you questioning my screen name?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

63. Fundies of ALL stripes suck.

"Christian" extremists, "Muslim" extremists, "Jewish" extremists -- they all suck ass. :shrug:

[progressiveinaction]

83. Agreed

[fascisthunter]

72. lol.... I want ALL Fundies OUT... how you like them apples

not the answer you were looking for, was it?

[progressiveinaction]

84. Exactly the answer I was looking for

Your answer is perfect, what answer did you think I was looking for?

[MedicalAdmin]

79. Was this a satire of the OP?

On the DU it is considered good form and smart to declare your intension with a sarcasm tag. We are a contentious lot.

[progressiveinaction]

86. No

I replaced Christian with another religion to see if the reaction would be the same (it isn't obviously), nothing more.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. "it isn't obviously"... how so?

What reaction do you want, that you're not getting?

[Warren DeMontague]

85. I'll make a deal with you. I won't vote for any fundamentalist muslims

and you don't vote for any fundamentalist Christians.

Deal?

[progressiveinaction]

90. Deal that doesn't need to be made

I wouldn't vote for a religious fanatic of any type being a non-believer (I prefer that over atheist).

What made you think I would want to vote for a fundamentalist Christian?

[Warren DeMontague]

93. I didn't say I thought that. I'm glad we agree about not voting for Fundamentalist extremists.

And since there are some clear fundamentalist extremists running for election in this country, like Christine O'Donnell, it's good to know that you have sworn not to vote for any of them.

Thank you.

[AnArmyVeteran]

65. Fundies would turn the US into an oppressive, backward theocracy if they could.

Our founding fathers knew the country they created could be destroyed by religious zealots so they wrote the 1st Amendment to protect us. But right wing fanatics will continue to try to destroy our country with their delusional religious zealotry. If we didn't have protection FROM religion we would have one of the most oppressive countries on earth by now. No matter how many times they are defeated right wing extremist Christians will try to imprison the rest of us with their deviant (and evil) beliefs.

[Taverner]

100. They've been trying since they arrived

See: Mayflower Compact

[Kurovski]

73. I don't hate them, I just want made-up crapola pushed back behind science & compassion.

where it belongs. Pray in the closet, be gay outside it. Just like Jesus wants.

[ibegurpard]

87. could? I do

[whistler162]

88. How very tea baggish of you!

[mwb970]

89. They are holding our nation back!

I wish we could gather them all up on some new Noah's Ark and just blast them into the sun forever!

If you want to get really depressed, just think of what America could accomplish if we weren't held back by our excessively uninformed, conservative, and religious population. We're always the country that's out of step, with the dumbest health care system, and the dumbest kids, and the dumbest political system. It's getting very difficult to think of this country as "great" for anyone not in the top 2%.

[Taverner]

99. I know - that's why I hate them so

At least the Europeans shipped their fundies over here years ago...

Hmmmm...maybe we can move them all to Antarctica and have them witness to penguins

[Terra Alta]

92. I want ALL fundies out of the US

Whether it be Christian fundies, Muslim fundies, Jewish fundies, Scientologist fundies(and yes, that means YOU, Tom Cruise) -- I just want them gone. And I say that as a devout Christ follower. I don't hate them, as Christ said to love your neighbor -- but that doesn't mean I want them influencing our schools or workplace.

[lib2DaBone]

95. What's that old saying.. the world will never be at peace... until...

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest”
Denis Diderot quote

[Initech]

98. George Carlin said it best: Religion is the leading cause of death on this planet.

[socialist_n_TN]

103. You mean, Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian Extermists?

or, as I like to call them, FECEs. :)

I don't hate them, but I don't want them in control of ANYTHING governmental.

[alarimer]

104. I do too.

Everything that is wrong with this country is their fault.

[Quantess]

106. Only Christian fundies?

A fundie is a fundie.

[snooper2]

110. What's the difference between a Repuke vs. Democratic Fundie

both are fucking ignorant..

Actually...I'll take that a step further. Anyone who literally believes the biblenonsense is a fucking idiot..

No reason to hate them though. They are for the most part a dying breed. (Prepare to see more mega-churches fail in the future) I use them for laughs, and the occasional mockery they deserve.

[timtom]

111. So, you have no problem with Jewish religious fundies?

Nor any problem with Muslim religious fundies? What about Sikh? Hindu? You ARE aware of other religious fundies...aren't you?