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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:51 PM
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NJ pastor announces in church he is forming charter school. NJ law forbids schools run by churches.
So this should be an interesting thing to watch. That pastor has already helped other churches form charter schools this year. It's easier now that a school called a charter can get taxpayer money.

Church, State, and Charter Schools


Rev. Reginald Jackson greeting parishioners after yesterday's service at St. Matthew's AME Church in Orange.

The announcement came about halfway through yesterday’s service at St. Matthew’s AME Church in Orange, when the Rev. Reginald Jackson broke from the celebratory music and prayerful message to talk education policy. Jackson told his congregation of about 200 that he had applied to the state Department of Education to open a charter school, drawing applause.

.."And Jackson asked for a little help: “I want you to be in prayer that the charter school be approved.”

.."Jackson, better known for his advocacy of private school vouchers, has applied not just to lead a charter school himself, but has helped steer four other charter applications this year from pastors in the Black Ministers Council of New Jersey, of which he is president.


I will want to keep tabs of this because it is forbidden by NJ law for churches to run charter schools.

New Jersey is explicit in its regulations on charter schools. They cannot be operated by religious organizations, nor are they permitted to include religious instruction in the curriculum, the same as traditional public schools.


The other charter petitions the pastor worked with are listed in the article.

This is getting to be a very big thing now...this breaking down of the barrier between religion and public education.

A charter school in Pennsylvania has paid a local church 4 million for rent.

According to the northeast Pennsylvania newspaper, a congregation in the community has been shamelessly profiting from its relationship with a charter school located at the church facility. Reported the Record, “More than $4 million in public money flowed to Shawnee Tabernacle Church by way of the Pocono Mountain Charter School over the past five years, according to documents made public Thursday.

This incident is just the latest in a long string of church-state abuses involving “public” charter schools. A fundamentalist charter school in Idaho wants to use the Bible as a primary textbook, a charter school in Minnesota is in court because of its alleged promotion of Islam and a Hebrew language charter school in Florida dropped a textbook after complaints that it was infused with religion. In many states, financially strapped Catholic schools are converting to publicly funded charters while remaining on church property and keeping many of the same staff and students.


A Florida evangelical school joined 7 (I think 8 now) Catholic schools in becoming charter schools to survive financially.

They will get public money, and they are keeping their same staff and administration. As Barry Lynn of Americans United says, that can be problematic.

"This is problematic particularly if you have the same personnel as when it was a private religious school," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington-based advocacy group. "One wonders if the people running the school will treat it as purely secular, purely a public institution?


Money is going to Hebrew language schools and schools with ties to Islamic groups.

There appears to be little concern in this administration that this is happening. That has been a shock to me.


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:57 PM
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1. a step on the way to our new fundie state, where the rich get richer & the poor get -- religion.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:43 PM
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9. +1
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:24 AM
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13. Spot on.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:02 PM
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2. They should not get our taxpayer money.
They have their churches, they have tax-exempt status. No U.S tax dollars for schills who perform no better than public schools.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:09 PM
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8. Someone with a big voice needs to speak out on this.
But they are not.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:08 PM
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3. How about using their Constitution against it?
3. No person shall be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worship-
ping Almighty God in a manner agreeable to the dictates of his own con-
science; nor under any pretense whatever be compelled to attend any place
of worship contrary to his faith and judgment; nor shall any person be
obliged to pay tithes, taxes, or other rates for building or repairing any church
or churches, place or places of worship, or for the maintenance of any min-
ister or ministry, contrary to what he believes to be right or has deliberately
and voluntarily engaged to perform.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:09 PM
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4. .
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:10 PM
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5. It's easy to do it.
Just make sure the church isn't running it directly. Form a sidecar corporation and use that to form the charter. Easy as pie.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:07 PM
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6. Just about the truth.
:hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:17 PM
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7. k & r
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littlewolf Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:00 PM
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10. ok I am confused
so there are no catholic schools in NJ ...
no private christain schools at all ....

that sounds unusual
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:26 AM
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14. Charter schools aren't private
They receive state funds.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:39 AM
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16. The title on the OP is very misleading (if not just flat out incorrect)
You can have a school run by a church in NJ - it just can't receive state funds to operate. Charter schools receive state funds. So you can't have a church-run charter school - which may be what the pastor is trying to do in this case.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:00 PM
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19. The word charter made it totally correct and not misleading at all.
I don't think that as much as has been written here about charters getting public money but being privately run....that I should have to fit a definition into the subject line.

My post and subject line are factual. I said the same thing you just said.

The word charter indicates it WILL get public money. That is why many have been started.

If it does not get public money it should be called private.

Unless you are in Florida, where private religious schools get vouchers which take taxes from the public schools.

It is not wrong nor is it misleading.
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littlewolf Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 02:42 PM
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22. thank you -
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:09 PM
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23. "“I want you to be in prayer that the charter school be approved.”
The pastor SAID he was going to form a charter school.

No maybe about it..

I very much resent your saying my post is incorrect.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:03 PM
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20. That is not at all what I said. The word charter should make it clear.
I don't care how many private religious schools there are, but they should not taxpayer money. That is why I posted about the school that gave 4 million to the church in rent.

I think my post was very clear.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:11 PM
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24. Grammar police here.
Although your title was clear, it could have been clearer. Is that clear?


Bwahahahahaha.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:48 AM
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11. He didn't roll back faith based charity either, did he?
It seems that in a world where you make your own reality, people tend to conclude there are no rules or laws to govern their behavior.
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 07:40 AM
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12. its about time
i see Doctor Strangelove.. yelling "WE MUST FILL THE MADRASES GAP!!".. the faith industry in action
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:42 AM
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15. Forgot to mention the 4 NYC charters being started by pastors...
Four new NYC charter schools being started by religious groups.

Four of the 27 new charter schools opening in New York City this fall have ties with religious organizations, although leaders assert curriculum and instruction will be secular.

Supporters say the new schools are a welcome addition amid overcrowded classrooms and heightened demand for charters, especially in neighborhoods with low-performing schools. But the development blurs the line between church and state, and also calls into question the distinction between public education and private groups, an issue with which charter schools already contend.

Four pastors are involved in starting charter schools, which receive public funding but can be privately run.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:48 AM
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17. Concern?
I don't think there is concern because this is what the administration wanted to happen. They've opened the doors and want anyone or anything to try to "fix" education. And, I wouldn't be surprised if that pastor and his flock aren't die hard democrats. Black ministers and congregations tend to vote for democrats. So, this should be pretty interesting. There could definitely be a mix of Christmas plays and vote democrat all in one assembly.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:48 AM
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18. Charter Schools
are the perfect racket: tax exemptions, public funding, no real accountability or oversight, run things pretty much anyway you want. And if you can't dazzle the suckers with brilliance, you can baffle 'em with bullshit and piety at public expense. :smoke:
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:13 PM
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25. I really need to do this.
What a freakin racket. Who cares if I eventually get charged with a crime. Like Mozilla (that orange freak from Countryside) I will only likely pay about 5% of my stolen money in a fine and walk away.

Sweeeeeeeeeet. Can you say scam? It seems everyone in America can.
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patty2828 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:23 PM
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21. Not surprising
Arne Duncan will probably praise the church and scold the publi schools for not allowing such a charter!
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