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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:33 PM
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MUST READ: Everything You Know About the French Retirement Controversy Is Wrong – FDL
Everything You Know About the French Retirement Controversy Is Wrong – If You Read the Papers
By: David Dayen
Monday October 25, 2010 9:24 am

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Steven Hill is reporting from France for the Washington Monthly, and he relays a simple fact that almost all other reporting on the proposed increase in the retirement age has missed: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/hows_europe_doing/archives/individual/2010_10/026269.php

The media has been reporting that the French are protesting the increase of their retirement age from 60 to 62, but this is only part of the proposed legislation. It also raises the age for retirement with FULL benefits from 65 to 67. Most of the French retiring early do so with only partial benefits. This is an important distinction, yet most media outlets have stubbornly refused to report it. It seems that they have decided that the French are whiners and complainers — come on, is 62 years old for retirement really such a bad deal? — and want their news audiences to think that too. But that’s not the entire story, many French effectively are having their retirement age increased to 67, not 62 as widely reported. It’s amazing to me that the media can’t get this simple distinction right. Perhaps they don’t want to.


I’d lose the “perhaps.” The whole thing is taking place against the backdrop of potential increases in the retirement age here in America. Elites who have been banging the drum for retirement age increases surely are pleased at painting the French as a bunch of freeloaders. But in fact, the French are resisting what amounts to a similar change to what the US could face in December.

Now, their protests have apparently come up unsuccessful. The French Senate just passed the increases, and surely the US press will paint the legislation as responsible and serious. Just as they will if it comes stateside. And at some point, you have to echo the question that a French passerby did of Steven Hill:

He translated into French for the others, and they all shook their heads. That’s when the one with the accented English blurted out, “Where are you Americans? Why aren’t Americans out in the streets? If Americans are angry, why aren’t they out in the streets like we are?” He said something quickly to his comrades in French, then reverted back to English. “It’s like Americans have gone to sleep or something. You used to have many protests.”


I’d say a pliant media has a bit to do with that as well.

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Link: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/10/25/everything-you-know-about-the-french-retirement-controversy-is-wrong-if-you-read-the-papers/

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:40 PM
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1. “It’s like Americans have gone to sleep or something. You used to have many protests.” nt
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:49 PM
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2. That Whole Article By Steven Hill... Wow...
:wow:

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:54 PM
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4. Another article I read came from the french students'
perspective - they are angry about the increase because of the high unemployment & fear this will only mean fewer jobs for them as they enter the workforce.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:57 PM
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6. Heck, We Have That Here...
I know many Boomers holding off on retirement until the economy recovers. So slots that would be opening up for younger workers are not.

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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:47 PM
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9. Contemporary propaganda on the most influencial Democratic sites (DKos, DU)
keep telling us that protests are passe, gauche, and don't help "the cause." Whatever that is .
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:52 PM
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3. K&R
Well worth the read

Thanks for posting
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:55 PM
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5. You Are Quite Welcome !!!
:bounce:

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:59 PM
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7. Boy, I second this. A must read. K and R. nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:44 PM
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8. My 15 yr old granddaughter just got an A on her essay which covered this truth about the protests
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 10:46 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:47 PM
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10. Good For Her !!! - But...
aren't you too young to have a granddaughter?

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:09 AM
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13. Tis' why I've always loved you ...
:loveya:
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:58 PM
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11. The M$M love to dismiss millions of people in the streets
-as whiners, extremists, focus groups. We are just getting started.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:31 PM
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12. Fortunately, I get a news channel which has reported this truth. And fortunately for those who don't
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:52 PM by Turborama
...receive them on their TV, they've uploaded it to their website: http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2010/10/20101024102447100478.html">Inside Story: The battle over pension reforms


See here, too: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/10/2010101210591839659.html">Fact file: French pension reform


And here: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/10/2010102314153220733.html">French unions challenge work order

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:07 AM
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14. Thank You !!!
:yourock:

:hi:

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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:44 AM
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15. "Power concedes nothing without a demand..." We haven't demanded anything and until we do there
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 06:46 AM by Citizen Worker
won't be change that benefits the working class. That will require getting out and into the streets. We've tried passivity and that hasn't worked.


Edit: correct spelling
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:52 AM
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16. k & r
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Panaconda Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 08:12 AM
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17. K&R n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:52 PM
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18. Kick !!!
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