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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:04 AM
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I saw the moons of Jupiter last night.
The same moons Galileo saw. I walked outside in a clear Autumn night and pointed my 10 power binoculars at that bright point of light in the south eastern sky and there they were: tiny white dots circling a planet that is itself circling a star called Sol – the star at the center of our solar system

I watched in amazement and imagined I could almost see them move. And in fact, if I come back tonight I will see that they’ve moved – shifted their relative positions around Jupiter. I can see this fact with my own eyes by simply looking up – the fact of a planet with its own moons circling the same star that we circle, in a universe so vast that we cannot really comprehend it. Human knowledge has brought us this far. We actually have a dim grasp of where we are and some conception of what our place in it all might be.

And yet, in this political season it’s easy to forget all that. Science – what does that mean? Evolution – that can’t be true because “I’ve never seen a monkey turn into a man”. And so 5000 years if painstaking intellectual progress is thrown aside in pursuit if a sound bite and a few percentage points in a vote poll.

My friends tell me that they cannot believe it. They never thought that it could regress this badly. And it could not; it would never have except with the collusion of a media who have failed in their responsibility as Journalists and have settled instead for tabloid sensationalism and propaganda.

Galileo was threatened with torture for telling the truth about the moons of Jupiter. That was his crime. He could look up into the night sky, just like me tonight, and see them circling another heavenly body. Not earth. Not the Sun. And by stating this simple fact he challenged the world order – the central place that the civil authorities and the church had established for themselves in the center of a universe they invented, controlled and defined. And so Galileo must be silenced.

Just as in our own times, the apostles of free market, disaster capitalism continue to assert their ideology no matter what the facts actually are. History and our all too recent economic experience have proven that an equitable, just and humane society cannot be built exclusively around human greed. Regulations, oversight and shared accountability are essential in any society worth living in. But no matter all that. Free Markets and Tax Breaks solve all the problems. Do away with Regulation. Privatize everything. Abolish all social services. The rich and the powerful will always find a way to survive. The center of their universe lies in an exclusive place that only includes the elites. The rest of humanity – well they’ll just have to suffer the consequences.

And yet the moons of Jupiter are up there still – hundreds of years after Galileo’s ordeal. They still circle a planet - not our own - around a star that is lost in the countless stars of this universe that we call home.

Truth is truth and lies are lies.

The truth is out there.

And all around us, if we can just keep our eyes open.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:06 AM
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1. Very eloquent. K&R
:hi:
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:35 PM
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10. Thanks!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:08 AM
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2. In a week, we may all be wishing we were on those moons.
Anywhere but here.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:11 AM
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3. K&R - It's not unusual to observe a Galilean moon appearing or disappearing
...in the course of a few hours.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:11 AM
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4. I saw the moons of Jupiter for the first time a couple years ago when we bought our telescope.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 10:12 AM by Brickbat
I found it very moving.

If only all of us could look up and see the stars...literally and figuratively.

K&R.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:16 AM
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5. I kept a diary of Jupiter's changing moons as a school project as a kid.
Sketched their positions over several weeks.

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:23 AM
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6. K&R.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:39 AM
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7. The most I've seen at one time is four and that was with a telescope.
Damn is that a cool sight!

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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:41 AM
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8. My user name is a Jupiter moon.
:)


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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:39 PM
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9. K&R - The Truth is Out There; But, The Lies Are What's Being Fed to Us!
Great post! We're more than two hundred years past the Great Enlightenment; but, there's are well-funded organizations trying to take us back to the Dark Ages.

In many ways, we are in the most exciting age the world has ever seen! Astronomers have detected about 500 'exo-planets' outside our solar system; the Large Hadron Collider is set to confirm or disprove the standard models of quantum theory; we've seen the surfaces of eight of the planets in our solar system and landed probes on two of them - plus two moons. It will be a tragedy and crime if a regressive faction stops that progress. What we will lose is not just increased knowledge, it will be any possibility of improving the human condition.
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:49 PM
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12. The difference between science and other approaches to knowledge
is the way you go about determining if something is true.

In science there are rules for how things get to be considered facts. You can’t say something is “true” – something is a “fact” unless it fits the rules. The “rules” are what is known as the “Scientific Method” And in science, “truth” is provisional – that is, new information is allowed to change what is considered “true”.

Religion, or any dogma gets to “truth” differently – it comes from an “authority” – a book, an organization an individual who claims access to the “truth” and is therefore the source for deciding what is “true”, what is a “fact”.

The lack of understanding of what separates these two different ways to knowledge and their implications for human behavior is at the root of most of mankind’s difficulties.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:43 PM
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11. may have looked like this:
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:16 PM
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21. Javascript showing the current positions
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/javascript/jupiter

Religious conservatives are always saying that scientists are arrogant which I find rather bizarre as I can't imagine anything more arrogant than believing that the entire cosmos was built for our benefit,

"I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it’s much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I’m not absolutely sure of anything. For many things I don’t know anything about, such as whether it means anything to ask why we’re here. … But i don’t have to know an answer. I don’t feel frightened by not knowing things. By being lost in a mysterious universe without having any purpose, which is the way it really is as far as I can tell, possibly. It doesn’t frighten me."
- Richard Feynman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1tKEvN3DF0
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:34 AM
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29. Richard Feynman was a giant among men
thanks for posting that.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:07 AM
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31. I'm a bit of a Feynman nut
perhaps even more so than I am with respect to Carl Sagan. I've got all his books (I think) including his Lectures on Physics. Plus CDs and videos.

"There are 1011 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - Richard Feynman
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:49 PM
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13. The world spends its time fighting over Bronze Age lies
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 03:50 PM by Codeine
when such wonder and majesty sits in the sky above them. A thousand religions cannot match the beauty of seeing The Universe in action.
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 08:08 PM
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17. Our only real weapon is scientific rationalism
– it's the only message that can fight the religious fanaticism of the old religious paradigms.

We cannot fight one outmoded religious or cultural belief system with another outmoded religious or cultural belief system and expect to achieve a sustainable improvement in human life on this planet.

And we can’t fake it.

We have to actually be scientific rationalists – we have to, in fact, be rational – if we ever expect to convince anyone that our way of thinking is better.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:24 PM
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22. You know what is rational ...using things that work
No matter where they come from.
The problem has always been that one ism orr religion, wins over the other and replaces it compleatly...
That is why with the right wing if something can be said to be communist of socialist they reject it even if it is the best way to do things....I am thinking here of Medicare for all....and so the status quo is maintained.
Yes, let us have science design our system...but charge them with using what works in their design for the new world.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:15 PM
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14. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:20 PM
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16. Agreed.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:22 PM
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15. Great post! I've also seen the moons of Jupiter and the rings of Saturn.
It's pretty cool to observe something like that for myself and not to have to rely on faith.

I wonder when the media is going to show Americans how stupid other citizens of the industrialized world think we are for the continuing denial of facts and science.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 08:49 PM
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18. Very well written post.
:toast:
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:23 AM
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28. Thanks!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:08 PM
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19. And I saw the rings around...
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 09:08 PM by awoke_in_2003
Saturn- get your mind out of the gutter :)

on edit: K&R
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:10 PM
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20. If you like stargazing...
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 09:11 PM by awoke_in_2003
check this out: http://stellarium.org/

It is a great program, and makes locating stars at specific time a lot easier. You can even highlight and zoom in closer to objects (planets, stars, and nebula).

on edit- download the manual- the controls are not intuitive, but easy once you know what to do.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:32 PM
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23. Ganymede, Callisto, Io, Europa.
I knew this in third grade.

Now it's like it never happened.

+1
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:16 AM
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24. Quite poignant. Nice job.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:41 AM
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25. I love your OPs.
An excellent piece.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:17 AM
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26. That's a good OP.
Well done. :kick:
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 04:33 PM
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34. Thanks!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:41 AM
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27. It was his support for Copernicanism that got him in trouble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

His "crime" was to support the theory that the sun is the center of the universe - a theory which we now know to be false.

I tried the other night to look at the moons with my binoculars, but could not see them. I also could not find Andromeda with them. Doesn't help that I cannot remember which star the galaxy appears near to.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:39 AM
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30. Galileo, Schmalileo... why does no one ever mention Kepler?
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:09 AM
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33. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants -- Isaac Newton
If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders. -- Hal Abelson

In computer science, we stand on each other's feet. -- Brian K. Reid
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:08 AM
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32. Great Post!
Great comments too. K&R!
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:38 PM
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35. Thanks a'lot!
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