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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:51 AM Original message |
One of the biggest obstacles we face here on Democratic Underground is human nature. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. We all want the same things... |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you. |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Doesn't it seem, though, that some think name-calling is the essence of argument? |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Very good point...... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
191. I kind of figure that if someone resorts to name-calling, it is because |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. Very interesting. It does seem that political differences seem to |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. being against gay marriage was essentially prohibited here |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. Well, I'd agree with that. If someone's against same-sex |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. That would include President Obama then? Would he be allowed to post here? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Let's not turn this into a discussion of Obama's position on same sex marriage. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
70. And the tactic works again. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I don't take your meaning, I'm afraid. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
110. It was not addressed to you. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. It was in a subthread that I started. Aside from that |
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fishbulb703 (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. lol +1 on those relies: "Wasn't talking to you stay out of it" on a public forum |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #115 |
137. I am aware of the nature of DU, obviously |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
236. wow, you got some stones, i'll admit... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
355. Why the attempt to control the discussion? It's a legitimate point. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #355 |
379. The response to that is, why are people hijacking the discussion to discuss something totally |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
313. Let's not turn this into a discussion. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #313 |
380. Yeah, what a tragedy that an OP wants the discussion to be about the points in his OP |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
210. Exactly.... If you are against gay marriage then your base |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
310. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
249. Deleted message |
lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm reminded of Cuba Gooding Jr's character in Jerry McGuire |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I also do not see heated arguments as a bad thing. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Agreed. |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. I think part of suspecting hidden motives is because this is |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
49. OTOH, we know there are some who DO have ugly hidden motives. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
98. +1. Since they fly under the radar though, I think the best thing we can do is |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. That's what I try to do, but sometimes my irritation gets the better of me. |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
119. it depends |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
121. Thank you Skinner, for recognizing |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
125. Excellent point |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. I think the key is to |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. We are going to be more pro-active in our moderating. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
197. Didn't that used to be the policy? Or am I confused? |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
198. Moderate this, Skinner. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #198 |
213. The world is made of human beings each more like the other than we'd like to think |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #213 |
221. Warsaw Ghetto Resistance, Fearless |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #221 |
365. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #365 |
392. To quote Michael Jeter in 'The Fisher King' : "How Gandhi-esque of you" |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #392 |
398. I never said don't defend yourself or your opinions... |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #398 |
399. You are right |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
298. That is the key. The sniping. Attack the issue not the person otherwise it just balloons |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. I believe that it is imperative we MOVE FORWARD |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
7. I have had my positions on some issues changed by |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
223. Same here. I used to be knee-jerk anti-gun |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
9. I also like Steven Pinker |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. self-delete. previous post gratuitously cloned itself. n/t |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
13. This is news to you? About the demonization of opponents |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. It is true that the demonization of opponents is very common. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
14. Horseshit |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Capitalism is the way business is done in the USA. It has been |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Everyone has a deal breaker. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Well, that's true, I suppose. However, if a person's dealbreaker is |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
80. "this isn't Marxism underground???" |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. You do realize that with a 2 party system you will have |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I got no problem tossing Marxists "under the bus"... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. I have to admit that I view Marxists like I view someone who suggests the earth is flat. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
172. Let's put it this way, if asked to choose between |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. I disagree. I think both sharing AND selfishness are natural and the way we evolved |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #179 |
211. Capitalism is a ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill System" .... a one way ticket for elites .... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #211 |
242. Lots of buzz words that dont really mean a lot, no offense |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #242 |
253. Wow .... any chance you recognize "King-of-the-Hill" as ONE final winner .... ???? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #253 |
262. You are arguing against something that no one is advocating |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #262 |
277. Unregulated capitalism which we now have is predatory capitalism.... |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #277 |
352. Brilliant response. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #352 |
371. Its a nonsensical response full of exaggerations to the point of meaninglessness |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #277 |
370. No, we don't have unregulated capitalism now. We have insufficiently regulated capitalism |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #179 |
227. I think competition will do us in, nt. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #227 |
244. I think lack of competition would do us in. n/t |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #244 |
348. clarify and elaborate on that please. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #348 |
376. Pick a time or industry. Just the competition between Microsoft and Apple |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #376 |
388. Innovation is not always motivated by profit... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #388 |
395. Too true |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
183. +1 |
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Raoul (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #104 |
300. May I assume |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #300 |
372. I completely expected this response eventually. Of course, all several dozen countries who have |
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Raoul (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #372 |
393. A. I ain't |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #372 |
396. Which part? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #104 |
347. err |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #347 |
373. You don't need Marxism to critique Laissez-fairism |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #373 |
394. Uhm.. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. I throw nobody under any bus. When they're campaigning for the |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. I highly doubt Marxists are out there campaigning for Democrats. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
114. While you have said what you said very politely, which you always |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. You make a fair point. However, since I have no control whatever |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. Well, you see where the problem is. In the real world, if we were |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Sure. Every discussion forum is it's own world, and doesn't |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #131 |
155. Well, it does happen. I've changed my mind since I first started |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
203. I'll certainly think about what you wrote. Thanks for your |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
153. I'm right there with you on all of your points n/t |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
195. Slavery was the economic system in use in the South in 1860 |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #195 |
204. If you have a plan that would do what you suggest, I'd like |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #204 |
214. More like a permanent NEW DEAL -- no reversing -- !! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #204 |
254. That's the trick - |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #204 |
335. I don't have a plan |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #195 |
212. Agree with you, except opinion change would be difficult ... it would be more like a |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
209. You're saying because Vatican gave us capitalism few hundred years ago... we're stuck with it? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
145. I have no problem with capitalism. |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
164. The path that will change it |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #164 |
215. Exactly .... great point -- MEDICARE FOR ALL would put us on the road to economic socialism.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
208. Democratic socialism would require very little change ... it would be the equivalent |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
240. he's a one string guitar... what's that you say all the time... Uff da! |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
323. Business in America was suppose to change with the second bill of rights.... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
47. You don't even see how you proved Skinner's (and the author whose work he is quoting) point, do you? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Well, the post certainly illustrates it well, though. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
78. Right On |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
90. Yes - |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
127. Then you will be perpetually disappointed by Democrats. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #127 |
217. Dem Party used to support Nationalizing Oil Industry ... !! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
207. True .... and the French are out in the streets delivering that message .... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
224. Everyone on this board has problems with capitalism |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
238. Deleted message |
KossackRealityCheck (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
318. EXACTLY !!! |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #318 |
336. Which goes to show.... |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
387. Yeah compromise got us where we are now-screwed |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
16. The level of vitriol in political discourse is amazing |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
108. I sat back and watched that whole menagerie in real time without commenting. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
128. Was this a typo? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #128 |
147. A typo? Not at all. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Amazing that you think so. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #151 |
180. Not in my view, but I realize I'm in the minority here. (nt) |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #151 |
219. US is a liberal nation ... Democratic base is liberal/progressive ..... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #219 |
245. I saw other polls that suggested different. THe agreement we have is that |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #245 |
257. Citizens by 73%+ and 83%+ wanted single payer government health care .... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #257 |
377. Please post a link that backs up your numbers. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #147 |
157. Well, I'm pretty conservative on some issues, and definitely not |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #157 |
220. Agree ... "liberal" demonizing began w/John Birchers ... JFK responded eloquently.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #220 |
367. I agree, I believe it is a Liberal nation. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #108 |
161. That's cute. Prez Obama has always been and remains a centrist. You think he's "far left"? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #161 |
167. It really is bizarre that he thinks so. I place Obama in the exact center of the Democratic Party |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #167 |
177. Agreed -- apparently those of us who are for him find enough points of identification... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #177 |
259. Are pro-corporate Dems really "centrists" .... ??? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #259 |
264. Compared to what even the most Liberal Republican is like? Yes |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #264 |
272. Republicans targeted their liberal and moderate Republicans.... none left -- |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #259 |
294. I don't accept yr premise that Obama is now or ever has been a "corporatist." Your frame, not mine |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #294 |
374. Yes, I dont accept it either. It's hard when the post to which one is responding is riddled |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #161 |
258. Levels of Obama/Rahm support for corporatism suggests postions far more |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #258 |
266. No, you want to believe that but it is not correct. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #266 |
273. As I've already pointed out, we now have a very distorted picture now of left/right... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #273 |
378. To whose comment are you responding? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #266 |
296. Thank you Steven |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #296 |
306. lol |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #306 |
349. You are absolutely right. I rose to the bait and I can't tell you how ashamed I am of myself. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #108 |
218. You think Obama is too far to the left ..... ????? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #218 |
252. I've encountered a fair amount of registered Democrats who think so as well |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #252 |
260. Evidently, conservative or DLC-Corporate-Dems here didn't take the survey??? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. I don't think many of them are DUers. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #263 |
270. Well. . . there certainly are DLC-Dems here .... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #270 |
381. So some people keep saying. This poster here is the first that really seems so to me. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #252 |
291. But why the concerns about which political group is pleased or not |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #252 |
324. Nice summation. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #108 |
251. Well you obviously didn't watch me, lol |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #108 |
290. What is this path you speak of? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
301. That has been a big problem for a while now. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
17. ** BREAKING !! ** Skinner admits there are trolls on DU ! |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. Very thought provoking. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
20. Someone's Been Doing His Homework! |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I have not read any of them. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Sure, It's Good Stuff And Will Come In Handy For You Considering Your Profession |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
21. It's funny. I was just re-reading Pinker's The Stuff of Thought"! |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
22. Well, okay, but let's not take it too far. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. To be honest, DU was a much simpler place when we all hated the same people. |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. yeah, but Pinker doesn't post here, does he? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. Ah, you do realize that on first scan that reads as |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
250. I don't remember DU'ers "hating anyone but Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush." That hardly qualifies as |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
24. Thank GOD someone said it. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. Sorry Cap'n. Not really. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Help me understand where your disagreement lies. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Deleted message |
YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
113. Yup...that's what I though you'd do. |
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EarlG ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. I deleted your post |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Did I name anyone Earl or are their IDs that obvious that I needn't have? |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #117 |
325. If you are just going to repeat what they said, what is the point of censoring in the first place? |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
146. Ulterior motives? What if your overt motives are worthy of a whopping? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
303. "Everyone" |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
27. This is a political site |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Yes, I realize that there are some on the left who take issue with The Blank Slate. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
129. "Some on the left"????- I thought we were ALL on the left here. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Yes, but we do not all have the same feelings about the book being discussed |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. In the context of DU's history, I decided to latch on to that choice of phrasing. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #136 |
226. Exactly .... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
162. I absolutely agree with you about 'right' and 'wrong' and that |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #162 |
229. And, agree completely ..... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #129 |
225. Agree with you, but have to say I'm seeing less of this here lately .... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
56. A Political site "It disproportionately attracts people who are not critical thinkers and..." |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. The word "disproportionate" has a meaning. n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
103. You don't say? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. This kind of unprovoked personal attack is always welcome here on DU |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
126. You make a sweeping negative generalization about DUers and then accuse me of a personal attack? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. You will find the word "personal" in many of the better dictionaries. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Really? Show me any text in any of my posts that suggests such a thing. n/t |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. You are going to win this argument, and I can tell you how. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #143 |
149. You lost this argument with your original post attacking the population of DU |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #106 |
156. you said something about the people who post here |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #106 |
158. The comment was illuminating and appropriate |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
130. Critical thinking is largely a self-congratulatory hoax |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. Irony |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
222. No ... I don't think it will always be this way .... as long as we have the internet--!!! |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
28. I can acknowledge that the other side has much of the same principles. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
144. "the other side"- as in conservatives or people who have agreed with them on the war and economy? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #144 |
159. Why do you come here? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Lately, to debate with centrist and conservative DEMS. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Republicans are not really allowed on DU, are they? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #169 |
187. So who is "the other side" to you? Anti war Liberals? Pro Blue Dog/DLC types? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Whoever I happen to be arguing with? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. Who do you happen to argue with the most- Liberlas or DLC/Joe Lieberman types? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #192 |
248. This thread is not about my personal political opinions. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
29. I don't see why that should be true |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
271. Hmmm.... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #271 |
293. "I've seen all good people turn their heads each day" |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #293 |
327. Parse it any way you want |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
32. Then second Amendment Remedies should not be any problem |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
57. I'm not sure what your point is. |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
101. I'm sorry I was not limiting it to just DU |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
34. evolutionary psychology is so interesting |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
36. I've probably learned the most through the heated discussions... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #36 |
60. There's nothing wrong with spirited, or even heated discussion. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
40. I'm far from convinced we all have the same goals. If we did the paths wouldn't diverge so. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
41. We are all captives of our own mind. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
43. Thanks Skinner for commenting on this |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
44. *They* may also argue out of principle, but I'm always right. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Oh, just eat your veggies, why don't you? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. I laughed out loud |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I knew you would. That's why I took the chance of being |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
148. If you opposed the war, vs. a DEM who did not, then you ARE right. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
50. one of the best and most perceptive posts I've ever seen here... |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Thank you. |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
58. I believe.... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. One of the things that may play into this is that not every |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
190. Good point. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
193. I can't believe you wrote that! I really really want to make a personal attack. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
61. Wouldnt these be true of republicans as well? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Good points, pri. n/t |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. I agree that digital communication, with its anonymity and lack of visual clues... |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
111. I hear the buzzing of heresy, or apostacy at the least.... |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
62. I think expecting civil discussion on an Internet board is often a futile effort. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #62 |
75. To a certain degree, I think you are correct. |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
64. K & R |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
68. "here on DU where the discussions are among progressives." |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. From your post, I assume you think our discussions are not among progressives. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Vast majority != all. Don't forget the RW trolls. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I'm not sure the RW trolls are our biggest problem. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Your biggest problem is that MFing posting bug. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
109. It'd be interesting to poll DUers on whether they consider themselves liberals or progressives |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. +1 good point nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. Well, it makes you wonder why we have so many threads bashing progressives or liberals. n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
142. "Far left" and "Liberal" are used by "centrists" on this site as insults. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #142 |
232. Presumably ... they didn't take the survey ... !! |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #93 |
307. That is something I have never understood. n/t |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
76. As in Somalia, it's the smallest degrees of difference that draw the most blood. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
79. Agree & Disagree |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
81. Then it's simple: just get rid of all the humans on DU. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. ROFL. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. LOL |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. Heh - I know my kitty occasionally posts here: |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
82. Capitalism is not "human nature" - |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. LOL. You are right. Fascism is human nature. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
235. Well, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Hitler were both human .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
234. Agree .... and even FDR saw the need for REFORMING it .... think that experiment failed and .... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
85. I think it's class conflict. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. ^^+1^^ |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
112. I think they are getting pissed because the government is taking it... |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #85 |
315. I see an awful lot of that too. n/t |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
91. I think even more can be blamed on our crass culture derived from m$m |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
237. Interesting ... a self-policed website .... !!! |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
97. Rec'd reading: JANUS Arther Koestler....Answers to the questions of who, what we are |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
107. The problem I see here on DU is too many uninformed generalizations about the other side... |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
116. common ground |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
123. I can accept disagreement if it does not include ad hominem attacks, mockery, or condescension |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
133. I like the way George Battaille describes human nature and animal nature in his book |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
134. I wouldn't expect us to overcome that obstacle anytime soon. :) - n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
139. People learn very quickly. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
140. I have religious and ultra-conservative family members and friends... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
150. I suppose, from your perspective, some days DU looks like this. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
152. I'm not buying the Jon Stewart frame. Civility is not the issue. Ignorance and corruption |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #152 |
239. ...however, the right wing rises on political violence and "incivility" .... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
154. I am a living example of the darker side of "our side." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
160. Deleted message |
valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. You put Huggies on trees? nt |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #163 |
170. Some people have a LOT more time on their hands than most of us n/t |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. Soon to have more time on its hands |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #175 |
184. its a good user name, though isn't it? |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #160 |
173. Hey Loser - wanna debate... on ANY issue? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #160 |
176. Opposing Points of View are tolerated in the Right-Wing "sanctuaries?" |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Apparently so, Hissy. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #160 |
181. And yet, you feel the need to grace us with your wisdom. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #160 |
182. lies are not tolerated. If you can debate without lying, sure |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #160 |
185. David Vitter wears Huggies. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #160 |
188. I thought I smelled pizza. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
166. i had an interesting experience not long ago on du. i was on side of an issue with ALL the people |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
168. Presumably "Jo McCarthy" is not long for this board |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
171. People passionately want things to change for the better, NOW |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
174. Good OP, |
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nicky187 (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
186. I'm thinking it over. |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
194. Jo Mcarthy reveals the "Morans" we are REALLY combating. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
196. Well |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
199. He that troubles his own house shall inherit the wind |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
200. Excellent post, Skinner. Thank you. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
201. I completely disagree that this is what is happening on DU. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #201 |
216. Different modes of perception |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #216 |
261. I'm not talking about right wingers, I'm talking about DUers. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #201 |
228. Oh, is that right, sister? Well let me tell you a dang thing or two... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #228 |
267. Blithely do I trod upon thy fallen door, that glowing bright doth span the strand. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #267 |
276. Fallen, risen, pale and crimson |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #276 |
278. Upon thy breast |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #278 |
282. Tall |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #282 |
283. Whoa, |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #283 |
285. Are we hijacking, |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #285 |
350. Get a room! (applauds madly, enviously) |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #350 |
358. :) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #285 |
385. I would say we are beautifying this thread, with poetry, heart, and light. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #385 |
397. I'm going to give you a new nickname. |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
202. VERY interesting OP |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
205. Yeah, having a nuanced position is a bad idea here. If you correct someone over nuclear, you're a RW |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
206. As they say, Skinner, best lessons are taught by example ... join in and show us how it's done--!! |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
230. I know you're human just like me |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
231. No. Human nature, such as it is, long predates this site |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
233. I agree with the premise. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
241. Actually, Skinner, we're NOT all progressives here. There are quite a few conservative Dems |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #241 |
246. It seems THEY did not take the survey ..... |
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Panaconda (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
243. Your premise is faulty |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:36 AM Response to Reply #243 |
297. you could not possibly be so far off the mark... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:34 AM Response to Reply #297 |
311. "Personal Responsibility" is just another distraction tool |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
247. We want the same things but we don't always want them for the same reasons. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
255. We all want the same things... |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
256. we miss the point if we try to understand the GOP thru Reason.. >>Link>> |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #256 |
295. Wow! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
265. I heartily agree, and go out of my way to prevent personal attacks. However... |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
268. I don't think this has anything to do with human nature or evolution |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
269. I was reading last night half-mulling over the Action/Movement thang |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
274. "We are all progressives here." "The other side shares most of the same values..." |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
275. This human nature you speak of |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #275 |
334. I want to be clear: This OP was not intended to excuse anyone's behavior. |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
279. I feel that the tensions are several times worse than before Obama |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #279 |
337. I think is absolutely true that tensions are worse now that Obama is president. |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
280. I believe that there are innate truths. |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
281. I stilll think it is all about the bullies and the lack of consequences (see OMC)... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #281 |
286. Yes, the conflict here has far more to do with behavior than with ideology. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #286 |
339. We are keenly aware that members are unhappy with incivility. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #339 |
384. You are exactly right: civility and ideology have nothing to do with one another. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
284. Torture. Not a Detail. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
287. If we all wanted the same things we wouldn't be arguing about what we got |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
288. I think some of this has to do with the *new media* |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
289. Moving this thread to Books, Mind and Manners |
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zenprole (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
292. An A for effort...but missing a few things |
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Raoul (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:20 AM Response to Original message |
299. Oh give me a break will ya? |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
302. As long as you argue with them, THEY think they can convert YOU. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
304. It's a complete waste of time and effort arguing with someone whose |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
305. "We are all progressives here" ??? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #305 |
340. FWIW, your locked thread appears to have been a mistake. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #340 |
383. Thank you, Skinner. |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
308. Another book you may find interesting... |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #308 |
314. I find myself recommending that book alot. |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
309. I'm sorry, but there are just some things where there IS no middle ground. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #309 |
317. I understand where you are coming from on that. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #309 |
341. Respectfully, you should not have to find common ground like that here. |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #341 |
345. Really? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #345 |
351. I understand that you and many other people feel this way. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
312. Down with humans! Up with Zombies! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #312 |
320. Thank you. nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #320 |
333. I bow before your dead eyed omnipotence. nt |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
316. Dead Man Walking |
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nmvisitor (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
319. I'm a registered independent |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
321. Well ....a fews thoughts on this statement... |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
322. I think this may be impossible if your "troll quotient" goes over a certain line |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
326. What is this, elementary psychology? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
328. I actually found John Dean's book, |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
329. LOL |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
330. I agree, Skinner, that we argue passionately here because we are |
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herbm (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
331. Bless you skinner, from the bottom of a progressive Republican's heart. |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
332. I don't understand why you seem to resist things which could help weed out actual trolls. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #332 |
342. We have had the "don't call people trolls" for as long as we've had our "no personal attacks" rule. |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #342 |
346. Great. I know that will help me anyway. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #346 |
362. Some people might not think cartoons are appropriate. |
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herbm (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #346 |
368. How about just not responding to people you don't like? |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
338. Human Nature is instinctive |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
343. Turtles make everything better |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #343 |
363. Unless they're the Republican leader in the Senate. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #363 |
364. Turtle Boy finds that offensive |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #364 |
366. Republicanism? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
344. At the risk of stating the obvious... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
353. The flaw in this is that these "scientists" are studying ONE culture-- |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #353 |
356. You may well be right. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #356 |
357. I am objecting to the term "human nature", as I have many times on this forum. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #357 |
359. I understood you. But thanks. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #359 |
360. Too bad Skinner will ignore it, too. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #360 |
361. Too? I didn't ignore it. I commented on it. Had I ignored it, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #361 |
375. Again, my POINT... you can't claim "Human Nature" based on ONE CULTURE. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
354. We're all progressives here? With all due respect, that's demonstrable nonsense. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #354 |
382. It never fails, when people discuss progressivism, everyone define it according to their own beliefs |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
369. Interesting research that runs contrary to the empiricism of Pinker's "slate" |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #369 |
389. I seem to remember reading that article when it was first published. |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #389 |
390. No, you're right |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
386. I can. Don't know if they can. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
391. Is this the right room for an argument? |
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