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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:54 PM
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Baggers offering $500 rewards for voter intimidation
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 04:55 PM by babylonsister
This is illegal, for starters. :grr:

Tea Party Vow to Deter Voter Fraud Is Called Scare Tactic
By IAN URBINA
Published: October 26, 2010

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Tea Party members have started challenging voter registration applications and have announced plans to question individual voters at the polls whom they suspect of being ineligible.

In response, liberal groups and voting rights advocates are sounding an alarm, claiming that such strategies are scare tactics intended to suppress minority and poor voters.

In St. Paul, organizers from the Tea Party and related groups announced this week that they were offering a $500 reward for anyone who turned in someone who was successfully prosecuted for voter fraud.

The group is also organizing volunteer “surveillance squads” to photograph and videotape what it suspects are irregularities, and in some cases to follow buses that take voters to the polls.


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Voting rights advocates say they are worried.

“Private efforts to police the polls create a real risk of vote suppression, regardless of their intent,” said Wendy R. Weiser, director of the Voting Rights and Elections Project at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University. “People need to know that any form of discrimination, intimidation or challenge to voters without adequate basis is illegal or improper.”

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/us/politics/27fraud.html?_r=1&hp
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:56 PM
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1. TIme to call for arrests?
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:58 PM
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2. +1. Who in the he!! do these people think they are?
Between the GOP showing commercials telling people not to vote and this - man.

Time to put an end to all of this foolishness. Somebody's gonna get hurt sooner or later.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:58 PM
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3. Time to call for something; this is b.s....and did I mention illegal?
Pisses me off.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:58 PM
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4.  “People need to know" that is weak! People need to be protected! nt
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:59 PM
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5. I submit to them, Ann Coulter. Where's my dough?
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EconomicsIsGod Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:02 PM
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6. Umm
whats bad about turning people in for voter fraud?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:08 PM
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7. Having goons hanging around polling places will frighten off voters whether
they intended to commit fraud or not. That's the problem.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:10 PM
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8. Oh, my.
Shockingly myopic.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:11 PM
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9. How nice. An advocate for voter intimidation in the group.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:11 PM
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10. Start with Ann Coulter.
nt
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:16 PM
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12. .
:wtf: :think: :argh:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:22 PM
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15. There's nothing wrong with turning people in for voter fraud
What's being proposed here is that, in the specious cause of stopping voter fraud, this group is proposing direct challenges to voters at the polls, demanding to see proof of eligibility to vote. Now, while it's undeniable that such intimidation tactics have a long history in the United States (after all, it's how former Chief Justice Rehnquist got his start in Arizona), these tactics have also been recognized for what they are, which is an attempt by some citizens to bully other citizens into not casting a ballot.

If you have information that someone is voting illegally, the proper procedure is to notify the local election board. Confronting people at the polls based on one's own internal standards is illegal. It's the method of the Ku Klux Klan and other home-grown terrorist groups to rig elections in their favor by stopping people whom they presume don't share their political views from casting a ballot.

Did you need some further information on this point, EconomicsIsGod, or is that sufficient?
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:24 PM
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16. Because "voter fraud", for the most part, doesn't exist.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 05:39 PM by Hassin Bin Sober
At least not so much that it requires vigilante "surveillance squads" to to ferret out the fraud.

"Election fraud" (there is a difference see: ballot stuffing) is and has been much more pervasive in US history.

"Voter fraud" is near non-existent and is more commonly committed by people voting outside their districts (either by mistake or laziness) or by felons voting when they have had their rights revoked.

Included in "election fraud" is "voter intimidation" which OFTEN TIMES is practiced by vigilante POLL WATCHERS.


But I doubt this will sway you because the issue is a little too nuanced and I remember you defending Rand Paul last night. Enjoy your stay.



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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:25 PM
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17. If you don't know, I pity you.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 06:07 AM
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24. Do you REALLY think "Mickey Mouse" is going to show up?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 05:48 PM
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25. Well, he got to 41 posts
That's gotta count for something wherever he came from.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:40 PM
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27. I believe the current record is 23004. -nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:35 PM
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28. No, it's 39,000 and change
Mwahahahahaha!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:36 PM
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29. I can haz PM plz?
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:15 PM
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11. People need to do early voting and vote by mail.
I have a fantasy that some tea party freeper type would try to stop me from voting. I'd most likely go to jail for assault but it would be fun!
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:17 PM
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13. gotta luv the caveat.
I'm sure someone will hold the $500.00 in escrow while the bullshit winds its' way through the court system.

I'm still waiting for Ann Coulter to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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the redcoat Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:20 PM
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14. They might as well bring back McCarthyism too
This is just getting fucking pathetic now.



...ok, ok. MORE pathetic.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:32 PM
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18. What did the GOP do in florida in 2000 or 2004. Didn't they try to intimidate
people who were in a grey area in the law? I forget now. This reeks of that.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:45 PM
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19. Typical Brown Shirts...
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 09:45 PM by BolivarianHero
The colour of their uniform betrays the colour of the vile that spews from their mouths and that festers in their hearts. They've long descended from their political apex, and now that they're starting to lose, they want to do with words and guns what Rove did with machines.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:52 PM
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20. "...plans to question individual voters at the polls whom they suspect of being ineligible."
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 09:53 PM by Contrary1
How does one need to look to arouse Teabagger's suspicions of voting ineligibility? We need every Democrat to dress that way.

They mess with me at the polls, I'll be messing with them in court.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 05:47 AM
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21. The place I found this from prefaced it with 'is voting brown
now illegal'? That's what would qualify you with these bigots.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 06:02 AM
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22. So how much do you think we can earn?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 06:05 AM
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23. These people are not just nuts; they are extremely dangerous. We need another Civil Right-type voter
protection movement.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 05:49 PM
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26. If you run into this...Contact the FBI....it works.
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