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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:16 AM Original message |
Seriously, do you trust the voting machines?? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. no |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. +1 No never will trust them until we have paper ballots and verified counts |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
78. ITA. n/t |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. Sure I do... |
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Yeshuah Ben Joseph (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. As much as I hate to quote Ronald Reagan, the words "Trust, but verify" seem appropriate here. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
4. No, so I vote by mail. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. heh |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It's not the same kind of machine you vote on at a precinct. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. You don't know what you are saying |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. If those ballots were counted on by hand, who would pick the those people who count them? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Right |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I get your point but what I DON'T buy is that in every instance a rich republican picks |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Who owns the voting machines? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
110. I already answered that question. cherokeeprogressive lives in California, as do I. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. And the programming? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Three steps. On the ES&S systems, the operating system is a version of Microsoft Windows. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
123. Can be verified but rarely is. And then there's the gauntlet of the central tabulators... |
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FirstTimeVoterAt37 (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. Absolutely not |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. Hell no and to do so is approaching insane. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
8. NO |
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Valienteman (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
9. Obama hasn't complained about voting machines |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Do you think Obama is God?? |
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Valienteman (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I think you don't need God-like powers to complain about voting machines |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. How do you know he hasn't? Because it's not in the media? Neither were |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
118. he is part of the system now... |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. No. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. That's a rhetorical question, right? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
14. I trust any machine to do exactly what it was designed and configured to do, IF... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Who programs these machines? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Just like all the sentient beings who handle paper ballots and mail-in ballots, they are people |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. So, You don't have a clue? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. In California, the machines are owned by the government entities that deploy them, i.e. counties |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Nothing wrong? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I believe I answered your question about the programmers, and I'll answer it again |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Correction |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. "Configuring" is a subset of "programming" when dealing with a configurable data entry system |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Finally |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Are you suggesting that our good Democratic Secretary of State cannot be trusted to follow the law? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
115. What do you trust guns to do? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #115 |
127. What part of "exactly as it was... ...configured to do" in my post was not clear to you? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. I see that you reside in San Diego where they take home the voting machines. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. What do the San Diego County Registrar of Voters' procedures for a few remote polling places have... |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
124. Then you must love the machines' ownership, programming and testing (or lack). |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. Please see reply #12 |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. NO. One more means for the corporations to take over the nation. |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
16. K&R.....Integrity and elections process |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
18. One word: Diebolt... |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. no |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. You're asking "seriously", but a serious answer is going to equate to |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Sorry. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Thank you. There is plenty of unrefutable evidence, which the Dem party refuses to recognize, |
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littlewolf (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. NO I do not trust voting machines ... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. Paper ballots are machine counted |
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littlewolf (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
71. however a paper ballot can be hand counted |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
129. The only electronic voting machines that are acceptable to me are ones that produce a human-readable |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. NO NO NO NO NO. nt |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
25. Of course not. |
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old guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
27. No. |
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wand94nard (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
45. no |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
46. I think the recommendations from the Carter led commission |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. So? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I think slackmaster did a good job on this subject |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Hahaha |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Machine integrity |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Do you remember HAVA? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I expressed my opinion already |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. So, you don't know what HAVA did? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. . |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. HAVA |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. Crickets? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
47. It seems it would be so easy to monitor? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Monitor the machines? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. 5% discrepancy would not be acceptable.. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Yep |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
52. No. They have been proven to flip votes and be easily hackable. |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
54. Last night, Dan Rather Reports on HDNet was all about electronic voting |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. Link to the complete video ... |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
56. No. But they can only steal a certain percentage of votes. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
57. I've never used a voting machine, and will not do so |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Mail in ballot? Machine counted. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. No. |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
65. No. Programmers can put in trap doors. /nt |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
67. NO |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
69. I firmly believe US elections *can* be rigged. I don't think they are *generally* rigged. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
70. 2004 election |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. No. n/t |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
73. I just early voted and I have no idea if my vote was counted. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. What can you do? |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
75. No with a caveat -- |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
76. I trust the machines... |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
77. Voting should be open source |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Who owns the source code we use now? |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Premier Election Solutions |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
79. nope, there should always be a paper trail. Without one there is no reason to trust |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
80. Deleted message |
BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Well |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
85. LOL, no programmer would trust those fucking machines |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. But they trust code used for financial transactions all the time. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. you see the RESULTS from their transactions |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Ballots are anonymous |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. programming code in voting machines should be vetted |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. "" But they trust code used for financial transactions all the time."" |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I don't think that is correct. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Ahhh, I see |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. you don't seem to know what open source means. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Banks use open source software. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Typical core banking systems are not open source |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. well |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Open source would be fine, but it's not necessary if state law requires the code to be disclosed |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. How many machines in California? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #113 |
122. Here is a link to the Secretary of State's Web site |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #87 |
126. Bank ATM transactions are AUDITED all the time. Voting transactions are rarely audited. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
86. The only voting machine I trust is a pen. (nt) |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
88. HELL NO! |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
93. Absolutely not. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
94. I do but ONLY because I trust my supervisor of elections |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Ion is a hero |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. After the 2000 election, Ion posted PDFs with scans of all the ballots |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
101. Please donate a few bucks to the election integrity group of your choice... |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
103. No nt |
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sonias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
104. Never have and never will |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
105. kentuck, I'm as paranoid about ALL of it as it gets. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
106. No .... but why aren't Democrats asking us that question .... ? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Democrats must be in on the Conspiracy |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
109. N.O. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
116. Paper ballots. I have no trust in the machines and some of the people there also. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
117. not one bit... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
119. There were ways to undercount votes BEFORE e-voting. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. One does not preclude the other. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
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