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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:18 AM
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“Mrs. Cooper, a 54-year old night manager of Selma's Torch Motel, was born in Selma, spent most of her life in Ohio and Pennsylvania, where, she says, she had voted since she was 21. Three years ago, she returned to Selma to care for her mother, now 98 years old, and has twice tried unsuccessfully to register. She contends that she and others in line were complaining about police treatment of an arrested civil rights worker when (Sheriff Jim) Clark heard her say, 'There ain't nobody scared here.' At that, Clark jerked her out of line, twisted her arm, (and) struck her on the head. Then, she concedes, 'I went for him.' ….Mrs. Cooper twice walloped Clark solidly and appeared to be outpointing him until three burly deputies came to his aid. While the deputies pinned her to the ground, Clark belabored her with his billy club.”
TIME; February 5, 1965

When I watched the cowardly and vicious Tim Profitt stomping Lauren Valle, it brought back memories of not-so-distant times, when other women were brutalized by thugs for merely attempting to exercise their Constitutional rights. The image of Annie Lee Cooper being brutally beaten in Selma on January 25, 1965, shocked many Americans.

For many white citizens, it served as a wake-up call for how out of control the racist hate groups – including those wearing police badges – actually were. For non-white citizens, however, it merely confirmed the harsh reality of their everyday lives. The only difference was that someone was there with a camera, and that the image was seen around the world.

Only a month before, on December 20, 1964, at a rally for black Democrats held at the Williams Institutional CME Church in Harlem, Fannie Lou Hamer told of her own, similar experiences. Hamer had attended a 1962 presentation by Rev. James Bevel, an inspired associated of Dr. King, and organizer for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). She became active in voter registration efforts in Mississippi, where she caught the attention of the powerful SNCC leader Bob Moses. ( I believe that all young community organizers would benefit from studying the works of Bob Moses, one of the most important, though too often overlooked, leaders of that era.)

Moses had Hamer travel throughout the south, to help organize other community-based groups. On her way home from South Carolina on June 9, 1963, Ms. Hamer and her female coworkers were jailed, and savagely attacked in the confines of their cells. Hamer was beaten almost to death by two deputies with black-jacks.

“I guess if I had any sense, I'd have been a little scared,” she told the audience in Harlem. “But what's the sense of being scared? The only thing they could do was kill me – and it seemed they'd been trying to do that a little bit at a time since I could remember.”

Malcolm X spoke after Ms. Hamer. “When I listen to Mrs. Hamer, a black woman – could be my mother, my sister, my daughter – describe what they had done to her in Mississippi, I ask myself how in the world can we ever expect to be respected as men when we will allow something like that to be done to our women, and we do nothing about it?”

After the photos of the KKK thugs assaulting Annie Lee Cooper were shown in newspapers across the country, Malcolm made similar statements. More, he traveled to Selma, spoke to a SNCC group about self-dense, and issued a warning that if any thugs harmed Dr. King or his followers, that there were others who were not handcuffed by King's nonviolent philosophy, ready to defend them. James Bevel and Andrew Young had attempted to convince Malcolm to modify his message in Selma; Coretta Scott King also met with Malcolm, and was convinced that he was sincere in his efforts to protect her husband and his followers from the cowardly violent thugs who opposed them.

At one point, a person who believed in total nonviolence challenged Malcolm. He said that nonviolence was the only tactic that could lead to victory. “I'm not criticizing you or condemning you,” Malcolm responded, “but I'm questioning your tactics..” The audience member interrupted Malcolm, who replied, “Sir, I have great respect and admiration for one who has the nerve to tie his own hands and then walk out and let a brute brutalize him. I have to respect him, because he's doing something that I don't understand. What he's doing is beyond my power to even comprehend. It would be like putting handcuffs on me and putting me in the ring and telling me to fight Cassius Clay, or Sonny Liston, nonviolently.”

I look at the film of that thug stomping on this young lady – who could be my sister, my daughter, my niece – and I think about these things. I have been in non-violent marches. I believe it is a good tactic. In one non-violent march, a man struck me with a board. Luckily, it hit me on the head, breaking the stick, but doing no harm to me. I kept the broken half of that board.

On the other hand, I remember a few years back, when I got an unexpected phone call from the parents of a young lady, who happened to attend the same college as one of my sons. This mother and father told me that their daughter had been walking back to her dorm one night, when three men began to aggressively harass her. By chance, my boy happened to walk by. The father said that he was surprised when his daughter said that my son did not hesitate to take action to defend his daughter; it was three on one, he said.

I wasn't surprised. When I asked my son about it, he said that he knew that the type of punks who would bully a woman like that were no match for him. Against a defenseless victim, they may think they are as bad as a Sonny Liston, but when my son confronted them, they were reduced to piles of quivering, blubbery shit.

I do not believe that we should be intimidated by the Tea Party thugs. However, I do recommend always being aware of where we are. Read the clues, understand the setting. If you are attending a public function where there is a nest of these snakes, it is probably best to go with a group of friends.

These things upset this old man. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Peace & Justice,
H2O Management

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:20 AM
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1. who is that hitting the bag?
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 11:20 AM by fascisthunter
and thank you for the post... I need to read this later.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:23 AM
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2. That is my son
who I mentioned in the OP. We're getting ready for the Golden Gloves now. He's about twenty pounds heavier than he was in this photo, and is an outstanding boxer.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:26 AM
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3. awesome... good luck to him!!!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:33 PM
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5. !!!!
No wonder those three guys did the discreet thing.

Thanks for the post.

--imm
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:45 PM
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7. Earlier this week,
I introduced my son to a couple old friends, who are casual boxing fans. One of them asked D if he knew another regional boxer. D said, "Yeah, I know him." My friend said, "I've seen that guy fight. He is really good." It was then that I told him that D knocked the guy unconscious with a single punch.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 02:05 PM
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12. Cool.
:headbang:

--imm
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:43 AM
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4. K & R - thank you so much for this post.
I'm very glad you feel the way you do about nonviolence, and even more important--about the LIMITS of nonviolence.

Re "I wasn't surprised. When I asked my son about it, he said that he knew that the type of punks who would bully a woman like that were no match for him. Against a defenseless victim, they may think they are as bad as a Sonny Liston, but when my son confronted them, they were reduced to piles of quivering, blubbery shit."

Wonderful! Your son is definitely a credit to you. Hopefully those punks will think twice before they bully another (seemingly) defenseless victim.



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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:40 PM
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6. There is a big difference between 1965 and now.
COMPASSION.

Back then, citizens of this country were capable of becoming outraged by bigotry and violence.

Now, not so much. :cry:

"Who ARE we?" Michael Moore, in SICKO.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 01:50 PM
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10. Yup, yup. In order for non-violent protest to work there must be a broader audience who's compassion
can be appealed to. It is not a "magic bullet" that will impact every situation. There are currently no better Angels who's hearts can be softened. There is no one to hear our cries.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 04:43 PM
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13. It is now a point of pride to be so hardened as to not be affected.
We have gone down the evil hole.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 01:07 PM
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8. Maybe the next time I find myself surrounded by vipers at an event,
I should have you son accompanying me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 01:08 PM
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9. There is a recently released collection of SNCC memoirs that you might enjoy.
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 01:09 PM by EFerrari
http://www.booktv.org/Program/11884/Hands+on+the+Freedom+Plow+Personal+Accounts+By+Women+In+SNCC.aspx

I haven't read it yet but recommend this presentation highly. If I understood correctly, there are two other titles coming out shortly.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 01:56 PM
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11. Sometimes non-violence works
Sometimes it does not.

The key is knowing when.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:37 PM
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17. Right.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 04:51 PM
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14. 'read the clues, understand the setting'
k&r
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 04:52 PM
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15. What women have to do all the time.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 06:57 PM
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16. kick
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 07:06 PM by spanone
:kick: :
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:16 PM
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18. And The Coward Now Wants An Apology!
A friend asked how he could even dream of such a thing and I said my guess was that he has adopted the Con 'the best defense is a good offense' strategy.

I still have faith in Martin's arc of the moral universe. It's taken time but is now knocking on Clarence Thomas' door and I believe it will swing towards the others
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:18 PM
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19. It's not Non-Violence vs. Violence
The issue your son's example illustrates is how non-violent people are at the "mercy" of violent people. The co-ed would likely never think of harming another person. Certain boys, however...think Rand Paul, kidnnaper.

As long as the quivering, blubbery piles can outmuscle or outgun others, especially those smaller and weaker, they'll do whatever they deem necessary to inflict their perverted wills. They'll also use their physical and martial power to protect their corrupt illusions -- that they are somehow superior to the dehumanized masses.

Ethical people don't want to use violence. But they have to be realistic. That means, like Gandhi, doing whatever is necessary to prevent the loss of innocent life.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:44 PM
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20. Recommended. Sometimes I wonder if I woke up in some sort of alternate reality.
By the way... I'd not pick a fight with your son either. Those idiots were at least smart in that regard.

My husband visibly winced and clenched his fist when he saw the video of the lady being stomped on the head. He said that could have been one of his sisters.

It boggles my mind that ANYONE would rationalize such behavior. And then, I think about some of the excuses our fellow comrades provide for policies like indefinite detention or warantless wiretapping or continuing to beg people who have no interest in working with us to please, pretty please gives us more ideas to incorporate into this bill that they will all vote against anyway.

It reminds me of my sister, making excuses for a boyfriend that mentally and physically abused her. It's almost like we've collectively decided that this is as good as we'll get so we'd better just put up with the abuse and hope we get a few random acts of kindness tossed our way.

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