The confederate flag imbecile returns

[Cyrano]

This particular moron drives a pick-up truck and from time to time has a huge confederate flag flapping from a pole in the truck bed. The first time I saw him was right after 9/11 when he had his confederate flag flying next to a huge American flag. I saw him driving around with his confederate flag one day last year and then again this afternoon.

It beats me as to what he’s celebrating or protesting. But what is clear is what he’s saying about himself. Would you really need to ask him where he stands on Iraq, gays, blacks, browns, yellows, women, non-“Christians,” immigration, the environment, Democrats and a hundred other issues?

IMO, that flag says that he’s proud as hell to advertise his own ignorance by publicly flying his symbol of hatred and intolerance. (And please, spare me the “Southern heritage” crap.) I guess what’s most depressing is that idiots like him never seem to go away, which no doubt makes the Republican Party very happy.

[Sapere aude]

1. The flag means something different to both of you I think.

[Dhalgren]

7. Well, to be fair, we don't know what it means to the moron. The OP

however, is clear. I happen to agree with the OP's opinion. I have lived in the deep south my entire life and I have yet to see a liberal, progressive, leftist fly the Confederate flags with pride and honor - or at all.

[damntexdem]

11. It doesn't matter what it means to the numbskull.

The Confederate Flag means something disgusting, something beneath contempt; and no amount of 'cultural heritage' spin can baptize it as acceptable.

[Dhalgren]

14. Hey, you're preaching to the choir, I agree with you...

[mike_c]

2. I was born and raised in the south, and actually do have some pride...

...in my "southern heritage," but I agree with you-- that flag is most often flown to symbolize intolerance and hatred.

[BOSSHOG]

3. I Love their bumpersticker

HERITAGE NOT HATE.

They are the base of the republican party and limbaugh's basic listener.

[melody]

4. If he wants "southern heritage", he should fly the Cross of Saint Andrew

But that's not even the whole story ... we now know that southerners are more English than they are Scots-Irish
so neither the Confederate flag or Saint Andrew's apply entirely.

My family is from the south. I wouldn't be so quick to determine he's a bigot or anything else ... my very liberal
cousin wears a confederate flag backpack. I personally hate it -- I think it's ludicrous to insist upon insulting people
with a symbol that has been permanently scarred with the worst kinds of racism. But others disagree.

Let's hope the US flag doesn't become similarly scarred, by many of the same people oddly enough.

[tblue]

5. You know what a "huge confederate flag" means:

A tiny confederate pee-pee.

I'm sorry. But this has got to be overcompensation for something severely lacking in this sorry individual. Give him a wide berth. He's probably packing.

[sharp_stick]

8. I thought that's what the pickup truck meant

and the huge confederate flag indicates a non-functioning tiny confederate pee-pee

[ecstatic]

6. Yep. He's a coward who wants to yell "F*CK YOU" to anyone

who doesn't fit into his racist mold.

[ceile]

9. Well, a little southern heritage crap.

What makes me laugh about these people is that "flag" is not the real flag. Here in TX we have the "6 flags of TX" (Spanish, French, Mexican, Confederate, TX and US) and most Texans don't even know that the stars and bars was not flown in this state (officially). Not that the real one is any less racist. But c'mon! If you're going to show your racism, don't show your ignorance as well! :sarcasm:

[Dhalgren]

10. The "Stars and Bars" was the original flag that is patterned on the US flag.

The "Southern Cross" that is usually flown is actually the Confederate Naval ensign...

[ceile]

13. Thanks. I get the names confused. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

21. Also was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia

The Stars and Bars was the true flag of the Confederacy.


If we really wanted to split hairs, there were more years of slavery under 'Old Glory' than there ever were under the Confederate flag.

I sometimes wonder how much longer slavery would have been tolerated in this country, if not for the Secession forcing the issue. Into the 1900's?

[unpossibles]

12. I agree. I was just at a flea market (ie: junk swap) in Ohio this past weekend

and saw my share of them, often in conjunction with "Hanoi Jane" stickers and other signs of a lacking education. As someone who grew up in a rural town in Kentucky, I am so sick of that crap, especially when most people don't even know what it is. And being in Ohio and seeing it is even funnier - I wonder how many of those folks have ever even lived in a Confederate state, much less are from one? I know it's often used to denote being a "rebel" and that's one of the excuses for it along with "heritage" but to me, that's like flying a Nazi flag to celebrate German heritage.

[Cyrano]

16. It's interesting that no one ever has the need to display their "Northern heritage."

And if they did, I have no idea what kind of flag they'd fly, if any.

[Dhalgren]

17. "that's like flying a Nazi flag to celebrate German heritage."

That is exactly right! The analogy is perfect. The Nazi flag does not represent all of German heritage, but neither does the Confederate flag represent that of the American South. The Nazi flag is an emblem of hate, bigotry, murder, and inhumanity - the exact same is true of the Confederate flag. Many "good" Germans died fighting beneath the Nazi flag, but it makes no difference how that rag should be viewed - ditto for the Confederate rag...

[Clark2008]

15. He wasn't flying the Confederate Flag.

He was flying the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia.

The Confederate Flag IS Southern heritage:



(Just so you know).

[Dhalgren]

18. As far as I am concerned it is still an emblem of slavery and as such is

a part of my "heritage" I disavow. I would rather honor the British flag as "heritage"...

[Virginia Dare]

19. Rebels and Rednecks..

Even before my fathers fathers
They called us all rebels
Burned our cornfields
And left our cities leveled
I can still see the eyes
Of those blue bellied devils
When Im walking round tonight
Through the concrete and metal

I was born a rebel
Down in dixie on a sunday morning
Yeah with one foot in the grave
And one foot on the pedal
I was born a rebel


I'm proud to be a redneck, but i've changed
We gotta persue it, gotta renew this place
We gotta get back to livin and lovin again.

I'm proud to be a redneck, from the hills
We don't need them meanobos, they don't taste no golden rules
We don't need them speed an all them pills.

You were born south of the mason dixon line

Redneck country boy, is your name.
You don't have to be ashamed of that name my friend
We'll make peace lots of love
South's gonna rise again.


I'm proud to be a redneck, from the sticks
We don't have to be to dog gone mean
Just drove past the tennessee green
Then we'll be just good ol country hicks
Then we'll be just good ol country hicks

From the sticks

[Lobster Martini]

20. May symbolize southern heritage. But the swastika was a religious symbol.

The term "swastika" comes from a Sanskrit word that means "well-being" or "good luck." (Hey, Sanskrit isn't my forte, cut me some slack!) It's a religious symbol that has been used by buddhists, hindus and others for thousands of years. Try putting a swastika on your pickup and explaining that you're a buddhist.

[gratuitous]

22. Best response ever to the "heritage not hate" assertion

I saw it here on DU many, many moons ago, and I forgot who first posted it, but it's worth a little re-visit:

Heritage? Well, my great, great great grandpappy was a member of the 134th Indiana Irregulars, and it's my fambly's heritage to shoot any rebel sumbitch flying that traitorous flag.

[SCantiGOP]

23. fact about SC

The confederate flag was put up over the SC Statehouse in 1960 to commemorate the 100 anniversary of the beginning of the civil war, but the discussion that took place in the legislature made it very obvious that it was a reaction to the upcoming threat of school desegregation. Another important fact if that prior to the 1930's virtually no one would have recognized that flag since, as others have pointed out, it was the flag of one of the Southern armies. However, DeMille thought it was a much better flag to use in Gone With the Wind, so it has come to represent the confederacy. The only good thing about that flag is that it provided the forum for me to march with 40,000 other people during the NAACP's flag protest several years ago. Whatever the flag once meant, it is most certainly now a nasty symbol of racism. It is intended to tell you that the same people who were running this state in 1860 are still in charge today.

[JVS]

24. Fuck the confederacy and those who fought for it. Damned slavery loving traitors.

[Dukkha]

25. not just racist, it's the flag of traitors

people so determined in their stance against abolitionists to keep reaping their profits in the cotton fields they defied of the laws of society.
I do like seeing the stars & bars on the bumper sticker proclaiming "You lost! Get over it!"

[wicket]

33. D'oh, beat me to it

:D

[conscious evolution]

26. Look!! A grit-eating surrender monkey!!!!

That is what I have been calling them lately.It is fun watching their heads explode.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. I can't believe we gave those people amnesty.

:hide:

[conscious evolution]

35. Glad yall did.

Personally I'm glad they did,otherwise I probably wouldn't be sitting here.My family was on the wrong side of that conflict.
The difference between them and my family is WE GOT OVER IT.

[Cyrano]

37. My OP wasn't intended as an attack on Southerners.

I was talking about one bigot in particular and all bigots in general.

[conscious evolution]

38. I know.

You don't need this southerners permission to call them grit eating surrender monkeys.The more people calling them on it the better.They need to be reminded on a regular basis that they are a bunch of losers.

[JVS]

36. We totally should have deported them.

Or at least drawn up new state boundaries to break down their identity. Scattering them to isolate conclaves in areas such as Arizona and Alaska would have been good too,

[Jed Dilligan]

28. Then again...

What flag doesn't symbolize, for some, hatred, militarism, chauvinism, xenophobia, and war?

The UN flag, anarchy flag, and the rainbow flag are all I can think of... And then again, I've known gay people who hate the rainbow flag for being a flag.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. What other flags only symbolize hatred, militarism, xenophobia, etc

Let's see, there's the swastika...

hmm...

[Jed Dilligan]

30. The French tricolor, the English Union Jack

As far as I'm concerned, a flag is something a people carries when marching against another people.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. No, no, I said exclusively.

The French Flag and Union Jack stand for lots of things.

The confederate flag and the swastika just stand for bigotry.

[Jed Dilligan]

34. That makes sense.

But I still think that all flags stand TO SOME DEGREE for bigotry.

Let's hope the Stars and Stripes doesn't go the way of the swastika....

[wicket]

32. It's a TRAITOR flag

[wicket]

39. kick

:kick: