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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:07 AM
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A man died today that Obama should take a lesson from on human rights
Former president of Argentina Nestor Kirchner just died. Looking back on his career, he could have given Obama some advice on what to do when you're trying to recover from a predecessor who commits human rights violations and a devastating financial crisis.

To avoid tldrs, here's some excerpts...

Flags are flying at half mast in Argentina today after the sudden and unexpected death of former president Nestor Kirchner of a heart attack at the age of 60.

Serving as president of a nation with an unfortunate history of unstable periods of democracy sandwiched between decades of brutal U.S.-backed military dictatorships and taking the baton immediately following a devastating economic collapse, Kirchner took on a challenge with remarkable similarities to the challenges Barack Obama faces as president of the United States today, though perhaps, in domestic terms, even greater in scale.

But there have been improvements since the collapse, and this is because Kirchner's administration stood up to the IMF and the disastrous reforms they attempted to impose. Right now, the U.S. and many other nations around the world are responding to the economic crisis by pushing for so-called "austerity" measures, which will do untold damage to the economy by pushing more people into poverty, but will free up state funds for further handouts to the richest people in the world. Why is Obama surprised that the American left is upset with him when he himself creates a deficit commission to put Social Security on the chopping block?

Among those of us who believe torture should not be U.S. policy, the 2008 election became the focus of an important discussion to decide something which is a fundamental question into the nature of our democracy: do we open up a can of worms and punish war crimes, or do we attempt to move on for the sake of stability?

This is the way you fight against an ideology that runs contrary to the rule of law, not by showing the perpetrators of crimes against humanity that they are correct in believing they are above the law by offering them impunity, but by demanding justice, equal justice for all, regardless of how much political power they wield, regardless of how much wealth they control, regardless of what retribution they may promise (remember, in Argentina, these investigations were made knowing that the threat of another military coup always exists).

You don’t fight torture by classifying the documentation of torture to sweep it under the rug. You don't do it by claiming you will end all practices of torture and no longer hand over prisoners to entities that will torture them only to be caught in a lie when Wikileaks gets their hands on the documentation showing that these practices continue today. You don't do it by claiming the right to extrajudicial execution of anyone in the world, including your own citizens. And you don't do it by claiming you will close the most famous torture and illegal detention site ever built by your government, only to leave it in operation well after your own self-imposed deadline.

"Looking forward" is the way backward. Justice is the way forward.

You can read the rest in the Latin America area or my blog.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:13 AM
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1. K&R
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:21 AM
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2. Rec'd n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:36 AM
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3. Obama may even know the guy better than yourself
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:46 AM
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4. Yes indeed. From yesterday's Guardian:
... His role in rescuing Argentina's economy is comparable to that of Franklin D Roosevelt in the Great Depression of the United States. Like Roosevelt, Kirchner had to stand up both to powerful moneyed interests and to most of the economics profession, which was insisting that his policies would lead to disaster. They were proved wrong, and Kirchner right.

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Kirchner also earned respect from human rights organisations for his willingness to prosecute and extradite some of the military officers accused of crimes against humanity during the 1976-1983 dictatorship – reversing the policies of previous governments. Together with his wife, current president Cristina Fernández, Néstor Kirchner made an enormous contribution in helping to move Argentina and the region in a progressive direction. These efforts have not generally won him much favour in Washington and in international business circles, but history will record him not only as a great president but also as an independence hero of Latin America.

/Full piece (+comments): http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/27/nestor-kirchner-argentina-imf
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:00 PM
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15. Definitely impressive how he stood up to the IMF
Unfortunately, it appears his wife will be making a deal to borrow from the IMF again.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:47 AM
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5. K&R
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 09:49 AM
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6. Thank you for posting about Nestor Kirchner. He died way too young
He was going to run again when his wife termed out. :(
K & R
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:13 PM
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7. Yes, his work was definitely not done
And now it's very much up in the air who's going to run this time. Who knows which boludo they're going to find to fill the power vacuum?
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:17 PM
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8. Working links to the full article:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:29 PM
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9. The phrase "falling on deaf ears" comes to mind.
We can know all of this, but that is as far as its going to go.


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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:53 PM
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12. If this article somehow found its way to Obama
then it would fall on deaf ears, I'm sure. But for now, it's about a million miles away from those deaf ears.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:09 PM
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14. You're probably right.
On the other hand, Rahm is gone. :hi:

I'm sure there's an effective sound barrier, though.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:36 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:39 PM
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:29 PM
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16. Thanks
Sorry to have kept you waiting, hope you liked it ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 09:07 PM
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18. Your point is very well taken. n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:54 PM
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13. K&R ! //nt
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:59 PM
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19. Thanks! nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:30 PM
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17. K & R nt
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