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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:48 AM
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Poll question: Are there core progressive values, such that one cannot call onesself a progressive without them?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:52 AM
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1. Other.
There is a set of values espoused by various progressives, and one must endorse at least a substantial subset of those values, beliefs and attitudes in order to be a progressive. The specific subset will vary between one individual and the next.

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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:58 AM
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2. Although i voted that there
are core progressive values, I was assuming that that meant the position that you outline. Your position is really a sharp statement as to what I would hope DUers stand for.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:04 AM
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3. Yes, including progressive web sites not allowing ads to cover "vote" buttons.
The reason I couldn't vote "yes" on this poll.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:06 AM
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4. Yes or the word has no meaning.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:09 AM
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5. I don't think so.
Progressiveism, (and liberalism and conservatism and all the rest of the isms) refer to rates of cultural change. That rate transcends any particular issue or value we might want to use as a litmus test.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:03 PM
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9. By that definition Gengis Khan was a progressive--
He certainly brought about rapid cultural changes in the territories he invaded.

If there are no values, then there is no direction, no way of choosing between a Teabagger vision of Utopia and the saner society so many of us hope for.

Progressivism IS its values, beliefs and attitudes.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:10 PM
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12. Yep.
Values, beliefs, and attitudes within the cultural context in which they are embraced. He chopped off a lot of heads, but then again chopping off heads wasn't that unusual in those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
The Mongol Empire did not emphasize the importance of ethnicity and race in the administrative realm, instead adopting an approach grounded in meritocracy. The exception was the role of Genghis Khan and his family. The Mongol Empire was one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse empires in history, as befitted its size.

...

There were tax exemptions for religious figures and, to some extent, teachers and doctors. The Mongol Empire practiced religious tolerance to a large degree because Mongol tradition had long held that religion was a very personal concept, and not subject to law or interference.

...

Religious tolerance was thus a well established concept on the Asian steppe.

...

Women played a relatively important role in Mongol Empire and in family, for example Töregene Khatun was briefly in charge of the Mongol Empire when next male Khagan was being chosen.



I expect that rulers, especially all powerful emperors, were more politically conservative than many of their subjects. Nobody wants to give up power when they have it, and relinquishing power means change.

Any "ism" is just a group of people who feel the same way about a set of values they want. Those values are relative to the issues at hand regarding the percieved need for cultural change. So, right now, a progressive would probably like to see economic justice and the reduction of income disparity, the curtailment of corporate power, responsible resource use and equal protection under the law for minorities to name a few. And time is running out to make many of those changes. The longer we wait, the faster we will have to make those changes and the more "progressive" the Progressives will have to become.


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:06 PM
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14. A great statement.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:09 AM
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6. Yes. Now, list them!
:P

I'll make the popcorn...
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:50 AM
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7. Other, because language shifts.

The OP polls present times and use of the term.

Wasn't there once a Progressive Party AKA the Bull Moose party?
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:55 AM
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8. Evidently, according to DUers, there are no mandatory core values. One can evidently be against
marriage equality and still be considered progressive.

One can evidently be against taxing the rich according to their level of income and still call yourself liberal.

One can evidently support the expansion of the wars against the Middle East and still be considered a loyal leftist.

One can evidently support the bailout of banksters and Wall Street while letting working people lose their homes to these thieves and still proudly proclaim yourself as being different from the pukes.

I guess outright, blatant, racism is about the only thing that "disqualifies" someone as a lib - and I am not even sure if that example is 100% true anymore.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:54 PM
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10. ..
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:09 PM
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11. In the words of the Obama Administration,,,"Everything is Negotiable"
I don't think that is the case at all.. For one I don't believe in "2nd amendment remedies". We elect our Representation in this country, not install it by might...That is the progressive position and is not negotiable....We do not LIE our way into War..that is not negotiable... We do not TORTURE, that is not negotiable....
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:11 PM
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13. There's never going to be agreement on what the values are
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:28 PM
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15. We have to make people who fail a progressive test vote Republican!
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 08:29 PM by stray cat
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:33 PM
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16. Ooh, a poll about a purity test.
Fantastic.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:36 PM
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17. I don't like
putting myself in a box--or anyone else trying to put me in one.

Similarly, I try not to put anyone else in a box, although I'm not always successful in that endeavor.

Things are too complex for such a black or white assessment.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:38 PM
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18. Problem is that few can agree as to what the core values are.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 09:41 PM
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19. Absolutely.
Support for Civil Rights and Liberties

Support for Same-Sex Marriage

Support for Choice

Support for the Poor and Disabled

Support for Single Payer

Support for the Environment
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 09:44 PM
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20. Those are yours.
And wanting to impose one's own values on others is not very progressive, in my opinion.

That's why I said I don't like putting people in boxes.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:03 PM
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21. We don't need people telling us what we think and we don't need a purity
test.
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