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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:26 PM
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If repubs take the house, will they impeach Obama?
WASHINGTON, DC – It started with The New Republic's Jonathan Chait. "Hear me now and believe me later," he declared a week ago: "If Republicans win and maintain control of the House of Representatives, they are going to impeach President Obama." For what? It doesn't matter. "You can always find something. Mini-scandals break out regularly in Washington." Chait explains that conservatives look back fondly on the Clinton impeachment, viewing it as a successful piece of "political warfare" that "sufficiently tarnished" the president so that anyone associated with the administration—particularly Al Gore—became toxic. With Obama, says Chait, the motives for conservatives are even stronger:

This is the conservative view of Obama--a left-wing radical who seized power via an economic crisis, smuggled radical views into the White House, and used unfair tactics to force an unpopular transformative left-wing agenda upon a conservative country.

The history of modern Washington is a history of the social norms that once restrained political parties from no-holds-barred warfare falling by the wayside, one by one. Why would Republicans impeach Obama? The better question is, why wouldn't they?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20101013/cm_atlantic/wouldarepublicanhousetrytoimpeachobama5372_1
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:28 PM
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1. You betcha! They will investigate with that purpose, since
being President while black isn't illegal, despite their wish that it was.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:28 PM
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2. K&R...U know they will
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:29 PM
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3. On what charges? Refusing to prosecute Republican war crimes?
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:48 PM
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22. what makes you think that is a valid question to them?
They have shown who they are and they don't stand on such logic. Haven't you realized that yet?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:23 PM
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30. LOL. Uh, yeah.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:52 PM
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27. and hopefully, if they do try to impeach,...
the administration can begin war crimes prosecutions. :)
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gater Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:30 PM
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4. Is the Pope Catholic?!!!!
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:30 PM
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R party always on offense, D party always on defense. So, yeah.
Just seems natural.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:30 PM
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5. That has to be their wet dream.
They probably have multiple orgasms just thinking about it.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:31 PM
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6. They will certainly try. nt
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:33 PM
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7. In a heartbeat! Clinton's impeachment will look like childs play.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:33 PM
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8. They will investigate the Obamas and everyone they ever met.
Every white house official will be investigated.

They will do everything they can to shut down the government.

They have no ideas, no plan for the future ... other than tax cuts for corporations and millionaires.

So they'll have lots of free time to investigate.

And all they need is to be able to coerice one person from the past to disparage Obama ... that's all it will take.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:34 PM
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9. Based on what? It's highly unlikely they'll find a convenient blue dress this time. -nt
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:44 PM
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17. They investigated a long time before they found the blue dress.
Remember, Gingrich wanted Clinton to be the "most investigated president in history". Had nothing to do with 'evidence' or lack of it.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:45 PM
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19. they've got his Kenyan birth certificate
:shrug:
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:50 PM
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25. don't apply normal standards to these people
They haven't proven to follow the same standards we do so why do you think they will?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:45 PM
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37. They are already talking about launching a Congressional investigation...
into whether the WH offered jobs to Joe Sestak and Andrew Romanoff for bowing out of their respective primaries.

They call it "jobsgate".

Ha! morons!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:36 PM
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10. Does the sun rise in the East?
They will to any dem. It is watergate and they will not rest until a dem resigns or is convicted by the Senate.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:36 PM
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11. They may impeach but they'll be unable to convict.
You can't be convicted of exercising your presidential prerogative.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:42 PM
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15. But just think of all the money and time they'll waste on it.
Of course they can't convict - there's no evidence. But they can distract the country while the rest of the economy goes into the toilet. And that will also present prime opportunity for more terrorist planning. I'm convinced that during that foolish impeachment of Clinton, bin Laden was just laughing to himself. Their plans proceeded without a glitch because the repukes distracted the government and the country with their fool's revenge.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:39 PM
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12. I think that's wishful thinking on the part of those on the right who are
more vindictive than they are knowledgeable about what constitutes an impeachable offense. They would have a tough time getting it through and it might even backfire on them. Clinton's approval ratings rose during and after the impeachment proceedings against him.

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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:41 PM
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13. No, they'd need an independent counsel
and after the Clinton debacle you can damn well bet that there won't be an independent counsel sworn in by any attorney general for the foreseeable future.

Without an independent counsel to continue probes on and on and on as Starr did with Whitewater etc. there will never be enough evidence gathered to form an inquiry.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:49 PM
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23. The House and the Senate can hold investigations w/o a Special Prosecutor.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 12:50 PM by Pathwalker
They've already announced their intentions to do so.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:13 PM
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28. Sure but they are limited in scope
Without a real and compelling case they would never be able to bring enough evidence to bear to start impeachment proceedings. The only reason the scumbags were able to go ahead with Clinton is that Starr had an unlimited mandate from the Attorney General to investigate Whitewater. Because his mandate was unlimited he was able to move from his original investigation into any area he wanted eventually bringing Monica Lewinsky into it. Lewinsky had absolutely nothing to do with Whitewater but he managed to weasel his way into getting Clinton to testify under oath and trap him.

Another thing we won't see in out lifetimes is a sitting President testifying under oath in front of Congress. Bush was able to refuse to do it and he was able to get most of his senior staff to refuse to do it. You can bet that precedent is front and center on every White House Chief of Staffs desk from then on.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:42 PM
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14. How will this make them look to the bulk of the public?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:43 PM
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16. No. And they won't repeal HCR. Or make English the official language, or stop flag burning...
They're full of shit and I hope the teabaggers will figure this out and go full third party by 2012.

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:45 PM
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18. if they don't, the tea baggers will be after them
how will Boehner, et al, explain to a bunch of Constitution waving morons why Obama shouldn't be impeached?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:46 PM
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20. I've never had any doubt that they would try.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 12:56 PM by kenny blankenship
I have never doubted that they would try any means short of assassination to remove President Obama, and that is why I could not stop shaking my head in disbelief and dismay as he tossed his movement away to work with Repukes and "reach across the aisle". Lending legitimacy to a gang of thugs and crooks, who were recently thrown out en masse for running the country off a cliff, and who can't wait to switch from obstruction to lynch mob mode, is either a fatal naivete, or a suicidal degree of Stockholm Syndrome. They may not be able to take it quite to that level, but investigations are coming for sure. (all that forebearance shown to Bushler by Pelosi will be repaid with accusations of Constitutional violations and usurping of powers) You will hear a lot of "the Committee is said to be investigation serious questions of separation of powers, and Executive branch usurpation -potentially impeachable offenses." The investigations will have impeachment as their ultimate object, or else creating the impression among the people that the President is about to be impeached.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:47 PM
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21. According to "the Browns," they will...
New Congress will consider impeachment: The Browns

-excerpt-
The new Congress elected in November will surprise everyone. They will seriously consider impeaching Barack Obama.

Growing under the radar of the mainstream media is a movement that is gathering momentum.

Over one million citizens have signed petitions calling on the US Congress to impeach Barack Hussein Obama. Some of the soon to be elected new members of Congress are amongst those who have signed up, and they are not about to be cowered by establishment Republicans scared silly of the issue.

Ultimately it comes down to a commonly shared belief amongst Tea Party activists that Barack Obama is systematically trying to hurt America. Obama, the argument goes, is not an incompetent boob in over his head. Nor is he is not some well-meaning community organizer who has seen his plans go astray.

Barack Obama is a dishonest, manipulative liar who actually is pursuing an agenda that he hopes will take America off the international leadership stage. He wants America to fail so that the vision of Internationalist socialists can be realized. America is hated by the elite intellectuals of the world because we have been the single biggest roadblock to their plans to establish a one world governing system with them in charge.

Americans has consistently rejected socialism. Whether it is Hillarycare or Obamacare, Americans are speaking with a loud clear voice against socialism.


Sounds like "the Browns" are a creation of the Koch Bros...
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:49 PM
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24. They will try
and will end up looking like bigger fools than they already do - if that's possible.

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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:30 PM
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32. They only look like fools to those
who don't watch FOX news and aren't tea partying idiots. Don't underestimate how many idiots there are in the world. My own mother truly firmly believes Obama's birth certificate is fake. My father blames him for the economic crisis. There is no reasoning with them. Read any article on Yahoo, even Dear Abby and check out the comments: People are rabidly insane.

Please just vote to block these nutcases because if they make any gains they won't stop attacking ever.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 12:50 PM
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26. .....it will be "Birthergate".
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 12:52 PM by Historic NY
Headed by the crack legal eagle Tatz
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mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:17 PM
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29. What would be the charge, and
without the Senate it wouldn't get any further than that.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:42 PM
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36. An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House conjures up
An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body (Senate) considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office. - Gerald Ford, 1970





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mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:22 PM
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39. Does the term High Crimes and Misdemeanors mean anything?
http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Aug/1/130987.html

Article I § 2 of the United States Constitution gives the House of Representatives the sole power to impeach (make formal charges against) and Article I § 3 gives the Senate the sole power to try impeachments. Article II § 4 of the Constitution provides as follows:

"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

This view has been rejected by most legal scholars because it would have the effect of having the President serve at the pleasure of Congress. However there are some, particularly in Congress, who hold this opinion.

The second view is that the above Constitutional standard makes it necessary for a President to have committed an indictable crime in order to be subject to impeachment and removal from office. This view was adopted by many Republicans during the impeachment investigation of President Richard M. Nixon. The proponents of this view point to the tone of the language of Article II § 4 itself, which seems to be speaking in criminal law terms. There are other places in the Constitution which seem to support this interpretation, as well. For example, Article III § 2 (3) provides that "the trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury." (Emphasis supplied). Clearly the implication of this sentence from the Constitution is that impeachment is being treated as a criminal offense, ergo, impeachment requires a criminal offense to have been committed. Article II § 2 (1) authorizes the President to grant pardons "for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." (Emphasis supplied). This sentence implies that the Framers must have thought impeachment, and the acts which would support impeachment, to be criminal in nature. In the past, England had used impeachment of the King's ministers as a means of controlling policy (Parliament could not get rid of the King, but could get rid of his ministers who carried out acts Parliament believed to be against the best interest of the country). However, in English impeachments, once convicted that person was not only removed from office but was also punished (usually by execution).

The third approach is that an indictable crime is not required to impeach and remove a President. The proponents of this view focus on the word "misdemeanor" which did not have a specific criminal connotation to it at the time the Constitution was ratified. This interpretation is somewhat belied by details of the debate the Framers had in arriving at the specific language to be used for the impeachment standard. Initially the standard was to be "malpractice or neglect of duty." This was removed and replaced with "treason, bribery, or corruption." The word "corruption" was then eliminated. On the floor during debate the suggestion was made to add the term "maladministration." This was rejected as being too vague and the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" was adopted in its place. See Impeachment Trial and Errors, by Irving Brant, pages 17-19. There are many legal scholars who believe this lesser standard is the correct one, however.

The fourth view is that an indictable crime is not required, but that the impeachable act or acts done by the President must in some way relate to his official duties. The bad act may or may not be a crime but it would be more serious then simply "maldministration." This view is buttresses in part by an analysis of the entire phrase "high crimes or misdemeanors" which seems to be a term of art speaking to a political connection for the bad act or acts. In order to impeach it would not be necessary for the act to be a crime, but not all crimes would be impeachable offenses.

Some hold the opinion that Congress could pass laws by declaring what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors" which would, in effect, be a list of impeachable offenses. That has never happened. (Query: If Congress passed such a code of impeachable offenses, could that be applied retroactively, much as a definition, to a sitting President? Would such an application be viewed as an ex post facto law? Also, would such a statue be an attempt to amend the Constitution, without following the amendment procedure?)

Both the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate have the right to make their own rules governing their procedure, and to change those rules. Under current rules, the actual impeachment inquiry begins in the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives. That Committee holds hearings, takes evidence, and hears testimony of witnesses concerning matters relevant to the inquiry. Typically, as occurred in the case of President Nixon, there will also be a Minority Counsel who serves the interest of the party not controlling Congress. Witnesses are interrogated by the Committee Counsel, the Minority Counsel, and each of the members of the House Judiciary Committee. The Committee formulates Articles of Impeachment which could contain multiple counts. The Committee votes on the Articles of Impeachment and the results of the vote are reported to the House as a whole. The matter is then referred to the whole House which debates the matter and votes on the Articles of Impeachment, which may or may not be changed. If the Articles of Impeachment are approved, the matter is sent to the Senate for trial.

The trial in the Senate is handled by "Managers" from the House of Representative, with the assistance of attorneys employed for the prosecution of the impeachment case. The Senate sits as a jury. (In the past the Senate has heard judicial impeachments by appointing a subcommittee especially for that purpose, which then reports its findings to the Senate as a whole. See Rules of the Senate When Sitting on Impeachment Trials, Rule XI.) The Senate would then debate the matter, and vote, each individual Senator voting whether to convict the President and remove him from office, or against conviction. If more then two-thirds of the Senators present vote to convict, the President would be removed from office. Thus a Senator who abstained from voting but was present would in effect be voting against conviction. (Article I § 3).

If the President is convicted by a vote of the Senate, and removed from office, yet another grave constitutional crisis is the presented. Does the President have a right of appeal, and if so, to whom? Article I § 3 of the Constitution states:

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments..."

For many years, the conventional view was that the forgoing section of the Constitution meant that the Senate was the final arbiter when it came to impeachments (at least as to Federal Judges) and that what constituted an impeachable offense would be unreviewable. See Ritter v. U.S., 84 Ct. Cl. 293 (1936) cert denied 300 U.S. 668 (1937).

However, if there is an impeachment standard (and there can be no doubt that there is as the Constitution specifically establishes one - "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors"), then it is only logical that it is possible for that standard not to be correctly followed. If such is the case, who is responsible for saying that the standard was not correctly followed? There can only be one answer - the courts. As there has never been a successful impeachment and removal of a sitting President, there is no authority "on all fours" for the proposition either way. However, there is authority which would shed some light on this complicated question.

Congressman Adam Clayton Powell was accused of serious misconduct and excluded from the United States House of Representatives by a vote of its members. Article 1 § 2(2) of the United States Constitution describes the three qualifications (age, citizenship, and residence) to be a member of the United States House of Representatives. Article I § 5(1) provides that each House of Congress shall be the sole judge of the "qualifications of its own members." After being excluded by a vote of the House membership, Representative Powell filed suit against the Speaker of the House, John McCormack, contending that the exclusion was unconstitutional because the requirements for membership in the House of Representatives are limited to age, citizenship, and residence. Representative Powell further contended that the only way to remove him (as a "civil officer" of the United States) was for an impeachment to be brought and the matter tried in the United States Senate. The attorneys for the United States House of Representatives countered with an argument to the effect that the legislative branch of government (i.e. The House of Representatives and the Senate, each) had explicit grants of quasijudicial power in the Constitution which generally were exceptions to the Article III grant of judicial powers to the Federal Courts. The specific argument by the attorneys for the House was that the Court should "declare its lack of jurisdiction to proceed." Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486 at 514 (1969).

The Court rejected this argument and concluded that the House of Representatives had overstepped its bounds in excluding Representative Powell from its membership. The important point of this decision is that the United States Supreme Court decided that it can review actions by Congress removing elected officials from office. The fact that Federal Courts have decided not to review judicial impeachments is of no consequence. Federal Judges are not elected, but rather, are appointed for life. The authority for the appointment of Federal Judges appears in a different section of the Constitution (Article III) from the impeachment language applicable to he President, Vice President, and other civil officers. Also, a different standard is used for impeachment of Federal Judges, which standard appears in Article III, specifically that the judges shall serve during "good behavior." One could distinguish the Federal cases declining to review judicial impeachments on the bases that the impeachment of a President and the impeachment of a Federal Judge are simply not the same thing. A Federal Judge is appointed for life by the President with the approval of the Senate. If the Judge is impeached, and the Senate removes the judge from office, it appears that what has really occurred (as intended by the Framers) is that the Senate has revoked its approval of that judge. Therefore, the act in removing the judge would be totally political. This is bolstered by the fact that the standard applicable to Federal Judges, "good behavior," is much lower then the standard for removal of the President. The "good behavior" standard appears to be virtually tantamount to serving at the pleasure of Congress.

The Supreme Court of the Untied States has decided that it should not review judicial impeachments, using the "political question" doctrine to sidestep the issue. Walter Nixon v. United States, 506 U.S. 224 (1993). In the Walter Nixon case, Judge Nixon attacked the rule of the Senate allowing a subcommittee to hear evidence, rather then the Senate as a whole, in his judicial impeachment. The opinion of the Supreme Court declined to review Judge Nixon's case, and in dicta is not binding on future Courts. Even though the Court was unanimous in concluding not to review Judge Nixon's removal from office, there were multiple concurring opinions. The concurring opinion of Justice White indicates an unwillingness, on his part at least, to conclude in advance that a Presidential impeachment would be unreviewable. See Walter Nixon v. United States, 506 U.S. at 244. As stated by Justice White at footnote 3, page 247 of the Walter Nixon case:

"Finally, as applied to the special case of the President, the majority's argument merely points out that, were the Senate to convict the President without any kind of trial, a Constitutional crisis might well result. It hardly follows that the Court ought to refrain from upholding the Constitution in all impeachment cases. Nor does it follow that, in cases of Presidential impeachment, the Justices ought to abandon their constitutional responsibilities because the Senate has precipitated a crisis."

This view is echoed by Justice Souter in his concurring opinion in the same case:

"If the Senate were to act in a manner seriously threatening the integrity of its results...judicial interference might well be appropriate." Walter Nixon v. United States, 506 U.S. at 253.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that judicial review of a Presidential impeachment is Constitutionally possible, where would such judicial review begin? Would it begin by the President filing suit in a United States District Court? If so, and relief were denied by the United States District Court, the President would have a right of appeal to a Circuit Court of Appeals, but might only have a right to review by the United States Supreme Court via a petition for certiorari. Thus, the Supreme Court could deny certiorari, and avoid ruling on the issue entirely.

But what if the Supreme Court had original jurisdiction over the review of a Presidential impeachment? After all, there were no inferior Federal Courts at the time the Constitution was created. The only Federal Court discussed al all in the Constitution is the Supreme Court. Could the President file suit against the Senate in the Supreme Court itself? And what of the possibility that, even if there is an avenue for judicial review, the "political question" doctrine which prevents Courts from deciding matters which are inherently political, rather then legal would be used to avoid ruling on the central issue? See Baker v. Carr, 369 U.S. 186 (1962).

All of these questions remain unanswered at present.



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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:29 PM
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31. They plan to launch a blizzard of investigations and subpoenas.
Darrell Issa, who would become chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has admitted that. Their single-minded goal if they regain control will be to bring down the President.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:33 PM
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33. oh course, they will try, lies and smears is what they do
they impeached bill clinton for a blow job ... A BLOW JOB ...something every man in america either enjoys or if he has some medical reason why he can no longer enjoy still remembers enjoy... a harmless act that is no crime

that's how low they will go


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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:41 PM
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34. That depends on how vigorously Obama resists the legislation that starts coming out of a...
Republican controlled House.

If he smacks down all of their god awful bills with his veto pen, then I'm pretty sure Boehner would play the impeachment card.

But, after seeing Obama in action for two years, I think he's just as likely to compromise enough with Congress to keep them from trying to oust him before his term's up.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 01:41 PM
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35. will someone introduce an impeachment resolution at some point? maybe
will it even be the subject of a hearing? doubtful.

It wouldn't surprise me if some backbencher introduced an impeachment resolution. ANd if/when that happens, folks here at DU will proclaim how they predicted this. But filing an impeachment resolution isn't the same as impeaching or even commencing impeachment proceedings, unless of course it is your position that the Democrats commenced impeachment proceedings against Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and Rumsfeld -- all of whom were the subject of impeachment resolutions that were introduced and went nowhere.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 02:20 PM
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38. Not that I advocate retaliation, but others might.
There is no statute of limitations for war crimes or treason. Would the rethugs really want to open the door to that investigation? Start impeachment inquires against a president who's committed no impeachable offense, the shit might hit the fan. TBH, I'd love to see the DOJ put it back on the table, regardless of impeachment threats.
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