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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:36 PM
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"Anyone But Rubio" - A side is being chosen by the Democrats - Meek down to 15%, Crist up 5 to 35%
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/quinnipiac-poll-crist-only-down-7-in-fl-sen-race.php

The latest survey's seven-point margin follows an October 21 Zogby telephone poll that found the contest at 39.6%-33.3%-18.1%, favoring Rubio. Prior to these two surveys, recent polls almost always found Crist trailing by double-digits.




CRIST - PRO-CHOICE, PRO-GAY ADOPTION, PRO-STIMULUS

Rubio is against all that, and frankly, is a right-winger's wet-dream.

I hope Meek sees his 15% could make Rubio a senator for 6 (or many more) years, or he could speak out tomorrow and start trying to prevent Rubio from getting a senate seat with under 50% of the vote.

Crist isn't perfect, but he's far more progressive than Rubio.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:38 PM
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1. Be pretty amazing if Crist won this after all?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:41 PM
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3. I had figured it was unlikely with such a big margin between he & Rubio, but, the 3rd candidate
factor in this makes anything possible, and now that Democrats have clearly started trending to Crist as Meek has unfortunately been able to jump over Crist in the polls, we hopefully will see Meek be so very honorable and sacrifice his campaign to keep Rubio from becoming our senator. He is HORRIBLE.
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Duchess Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:43 PM
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4. Crist is beyond incompetent...
he needs to just go away. I don't know how anyone can take this guy seriously. Dealing with Rubio for 6 years would be a small price to pay in order to get rid of Crist.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:46 PM
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8. No. We do not want to deal with Rubio for six minutes, he's the incompetent
and in Jeb Bush's pocket...
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Duchess Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:03 PM
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9. Crist is more incompetent. NT
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lunamagica Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:23 PM
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15. Better to have someone who's incompetent than to have the pure evilness that Rubio is
The TP's are grooming him to go far...any poisonous weed needs to be rid of as soon as possible, before it grows.

I was hoping Meek would win, but if it's between Rubio and Crist, I'll take Crist in a heartbeat.

Rubio needs to go
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:24 PM
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17. Aye
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:24 PM
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16. He's not bad, as far as Republicans go
Not a teabagger....which is a big statement these days
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:29 PM
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22. What makes Crist incompetent? Please explain in detail since you are such an expert in knowing such
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 05:29 PM by 4lbs
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:28 PM
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21. Maybe if he would put in writing that he would vote with dems...oh
yeah not blue dogs...he probably is pretty close to a blue dog now...
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:40 PM
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2. I hope Crist pulls an upset.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 04:40 PM by LAGC
That would be one major set-back for the teabaggers who think they have Rubio in the bag.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:44 PM
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5. South Florida popular celeb Dwayne Wade is campaigning for Meek, and I'm like, nooo we need Meek to
accept he's in insignificant territory now, but he could make himself very significant by backing Crist. I'm not sure what he's doing, but it's his race, but I hope he's as smart as I hope he is, and sees that if he doesn't change course, Rubio will be our next senator. Hopefully, there will be one more poll showing Meek below 20% again, and that will show the Dems have abandoned him, as they are talking about on TV when they show the new poll!
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:44 PM
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6. Meek could become a real force if he were to bow out now. This could
be good for him down the road.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 04:45 PM
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7. It would be the biggest thing Meek could do if he came out and asked supporters
to vote for Crist to prevent Rubio from becoming a Senator. I don't think politics works that way. Rubio is going to be a nightmare. Crist would work with democrats and more importantly help
pass the President's agenda.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:08 PM
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10. exactly - it's about passing the Democrat agenda - Rubio has NO interest in that, Meek should desire
to, and if he does, swallow his pride as a good guy but a candidate who cannot win this by any means at this point.

He had been saying why does he have to be the one to drop out, but now that he's lost further support, and is at 15%, my goodness, please Kendrick, do the right thing for the president and the people!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:27 PM
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19. What do you think Crist would support Obama on?
I'm sure the teabagger will be worse, but what makes Crist even near worthy?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:28 PM
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29. Crist is a fucking slime
yeah, let's vote for a Republican instead of a republican
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:45 PM
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35. You cannot vote on party. I vote on issues and possibility of winning an election.
Meek has zero chance of winning because he has been 3rd the entire time, and, his polling is down to lower than half of the leader. The guy in the middle is closer on policy, REPEATEDLY, to the liberal in the race, than the right winger in the race - therefore, I'd rather have the moderate as opposed to a hardass right wing bastard. Sorry... I am big on mathematics, and Crist doesn't have much of a chance, but Meek has less than a percent chance of winning. Crist could win, being 7 points down, if Meek backed him.

Crist won't be a "good" senator, but he wont' be a BAD senator like Rubio would be - Marco WILL totally back the corporations over and over and over and push against Obama's policies constantly.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:22 PM
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39. We're likely to lose people like Feingold...you want to replace him with this dickhead?
god this site has gone into the shithole
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:39 PM
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40. oh puh-lease. it's mathematics - Meek would get my vote if he was within 25 points of Rubio!
I want a moderate over a fascist since that's the clear choice in polling.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:11 PM
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11. Un'recd
for spinelessly saying that the democratic candidate should drop out of the race.

And yes, I am a Floridian.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:15 PM
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12. Rubio is an affront to women, Gays, workers, and there
is no chance of beating him with Meek not backing Crist. Rubio is so far right that he makes Crist look liberal, that's how dangerous he is for America and the President's agenda.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:17 PM
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13. And Crist is just as bad if he caucuses with the republicans.
He has not one time said or alluded to caucusing with the democrats. He quit his party only because it was expedient to do so.

Face it, the republicans played you and people like you by splitting the vote.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:22 PM
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14. I don't think they'll have him now.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 06:14 PM by DCKit
He will, however, find sympathy and support on the other side of the aisle.

Regardless, I didn't know a thing about Meek until I saw him in an interview last week. He is a real credit to the Congress. Neither of his challengers is fit to pick up his dry cleaning.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:27 PM
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18. "I don't think..."
They WILL take him if it guarantees they have control, just like we took Lieberman. Politics is nasty business, if it suits them they will do whatever it takes to bring him back into the tent. Not ONE TIME has Crist said he would vote or caucus with the Democrats. If he wanted to be a dem he would have done that by now.

Kendrick Meek is a smart cookie, unfortunately he has terrible handlers and the FL democratic party doesn't fairly push African American candidates at all.
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lunamagica Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:28 PM
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20. I agree with you. He's head and shoulders above the other two.
He'd make a great Senator.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:46 PM
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23. Crist isn't pro-choice and was against gay marriage until recently.
In Crist's 2010 campaign for Senate Crist ran as a pro-life candidate.<28> after Crist became an unaffiliated candidate all language referring to Crist as pro-life, or opposing abortion were removed from the website.<29>

Crist supported efforts to ban gay marriage in Florida, and supported the current ban on adoption by gay prospective parents – saying that a "traditional family provides the best environment for children."<32><33> His position led gay rights groups to protest the passage of the Florida Amendment 2 (now Article 1 Section 27 of the Florida Constitution) ban on gay marriage during his wedding in 2008.<34><35> He shifted in June 2010, when he stated that he no longer supported Florida's ban on gay adoption: "A better way and approach would be to let judges make that decision on a case-by-case basis."<36>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist#Political_positions


Both positions were changed very recently. He is also opposed to stem cell research according to what Meek said in a recent debate.

The man swings like a weather vane and is playing the voters in Florida like a fiddle.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:46 PM
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24. Crist is funded by corrupt people who should be in jail.
"isn't perfect" doesn't cut it.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:56 PM
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25. Did Goldman Sachs contribute?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:21 PM
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38. People who abuse their positions and know how to twist government to their own benefit, contributed.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:41 PM
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32. that comment applies to every candidate except 2 I can think of!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 10:19 PM
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37. And that attitude is the reason why this country is in the crap well.
Too many people think that as long as the corrupt bastards are our bastards, everything is alright.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:49 PM
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26. Would Meek dropping out reduce the Democratic turnout?
If so, that might guarantee a victory for the despicable Rick Scott as governor.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:40 PM
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31. I think Dems are truly horrified by Scott & Rubio - we're voting! I look forward to seeing the
final #'s for each party. I cannot think of a more gross combination of governor and senator duo for election that I've been a part of. Slick Rick stole billions, and Rubio tries to allude like he's so kind and sweet in his commercials. What a fraud actor!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:11 PM
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27. We fucking need instant run-off voting.
Rubio would not have a chance.

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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:26 PM
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28. +1000!
At EVERY level of government, if ANY candidate failed to get 50% of the vote, there should be an automatic run-off.

People wouldn't have to choose the "lesser of the evils" but could vote their conscience, then only vote for the lesser evil if their primary choice didn't make the cut.

We'd have a much more vibrant democracy if this was the case.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:38 PM
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30. oh so agreed, jgraz!!!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:42 PM
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33. If we had IRV nation-wide, the two party monopoly would rapidly disappear.
The party leadership would never enact such a proposal for that reason.
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pgodbold Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:43 PM
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34. Meek is still in this because his wife insisted he could win. Time for her to get a clue.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 07:44 PM by pgodbold
Meek get out. You're done. Don't do us in with you. Rubio cannot be allowed to win this. Either Meek is for the country or for himself, wife be damned.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:48 PM
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36. I agree, there has been several things that pissed off the Repubs that Crist did as gov. & he has
shown he is workable on issues - RUBIO is a slimeball, and an affront to Gays, Women, Education, Labor, Unions, the Environment.

Meek's pride is immense I'm starting to believe, and if he was gonna back Crist, he would have done so last weekend. I cannot believe he would not back Crist knowing that if he doesn't, we get stuck with a right wing bastard. If he DOESN'T back Crist, and runs again in 6 yrs, I will back his Democratic or liberal 3rd party opponent.
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