Women disturbed by new pat down procedures - breast area will get a good rub down

[Liberal_in_LA]

video of pat down at link

Journalist said they felt her up everywhere, even between her legs.

I wonder if this is a ploy to get more people to agree to the body scanning machine.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/national_world&id=7753020

Right now, TSA officials search passengers using the common pat down method. Starting Friday, they'll be able to use a sliding motion and search parts of the body some say are too private ... like the underside of a woman's bra.

We showed a video clip of what the new searches would look like to passengers ... particularly women. Their reaction was all the same.

Pat Leppo said, "I don't think they should be able to touch anything that's kinda private."

Gil Harootunian said, "If they insist of patting me down, it better be a woman, or they're really making themselves quite liable."

TSA officials say pat downs have been and will continue to be conducted by screeners who are the same gender as the passenger. The passenger will also have the option to go into a separate room for a pat-down search.

Aviation expert Kent Scott maintains while tight security is crucial these new steps are going too far. "Other forms of profiling, behavior, nervousness things like that are much more effective than this patting down, which can be extremely intrusive and very disturbing to the female passengers."

:puke:

[RagAss]

1. Freedom is on the March !

[cynatnite]

2. I would only allow another woman to pat me down. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Maybe only women should be allowed to pat anyone down.

Personally, if I'm going to get felt up, I'd prefer a woman to do it myself.

It would be the most action I've had in years.

[Gormy Cuss]

6. The TSA employee is gender matched for a patdown. n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

51. But...what about....teh gay?

God, I love how gay people are so invisible in stupid situations like this.

[Gormy Cuss]

105. Oh noes! Isn't there a DADT policy for TSA?

If it weren't for the fact that it would just get me kicked out of line I'd ask.

[eShirl]

15. Not me.

I will fucking walk barefoot coast to coast before I submit to this kind of humiliating, degrading bullshit.

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. +1

:thumbsup:

[Mojorabbit]

65. Has happened to me

and there was plenty of "sliding" motion while I had to stand there with my legs spread and have a wand waved in that area. I only fly when it is abolutely necessary anymore. I felt violated.

[Broken_Hero]

70. ...

:thumbsup:

[seabeyond]

91. sheit, i got pissy being pulled out and wanded the first time. had top security on me.

just fuckin didnt know i was suppose to be intimidated, which can be a bad thing. they pulled kids out and intimidated them at 4 and 6 using a cop. they didnt know they were NOT suppose to be intimidated. that was spring of '02. it went beyond my boundaries treating me like a criminal, and i was suppose to simply submit. did it for me on the flying. did it one more time to mexico after that experience, then said, no more.

[indepat]

93. You forgot ridiculous, absurd, and unnecessary: I too shan't fly again until this nonsense ceases

:)

[shanti]

59. i'm a woman

and i don't want ANYONE touching my breasts or between my legs! :grr:

[Kablooie]

102. At least it's a "Pat" down, not a George or Jane down. "Pat" could be either a man or a woman.

[Kablooie]

103. Unfortunate Dupe.

[dkf]

3. Radiate you or feel you up...

Ridiculous.

[dflprincess]

72. And in the same breath that they tell us the scanners are safe

we're told that pregnant women should avoid them.

[ck4829]

4. Osama must be laughing his head off right about now

If anyone thinks that being fondled makes them safer, then hey, that's their freedom's funeral.

[RKP5637]

10. Yeah, agree. I imagine he and many others are getting a good laugh at the

tailspin this country has been in now for many years. More and more the majority of the citizens are considered the enemies of the state.

[Speck Tater]

7. Just what the economy needs. Something more to discourage air travel.

This could accelerate the demise of the airlines. On the other hand, the train is a much more sustainable way to travel.

[RKP5637]

13. I used to have to fly all of the time, but now I haven't flown for about a decade on

purpose and fortunately my job no longer requires it... I've gotten fed up with the airlines for many many reasons. And I know many that have similar feelings toward the flying cattle cars.

[Raine]

38. I haven't flown in that long either

and I intend to keep it that. I avoid flying at all costs.

[Speck Tater]

47. Me neither.

Last couple of times I needed to travel the 800 miles to Los Angeles I got a sleeper car on Amtrak and really enjoyed the leisurely overnight trip.

[csziggy]

52. Yeah - I haven't flown for twenty years

And I love flying. I do NOT love being packed in like sardines, the idea of the invasive security procedures, or the lack of civility (the last time I flew the flight attendants were over worked and very curt at any request).

I want to travel abroad someday, but it looks as if I ever get the chance I will have to plan an ocean voyage as part of the trip! Domestically, we will either drive or take trains.

[tpsbmam]

67. Ditto. n/t

[bvar22]

82. Share that.

Last flight was 2003....for my father's funeral.
My dad would have to die again to get me on another commercial flight.

[Delphinus]

90. I'm making

an exception next month so I can see my son - whom I've not seen in three years. After that, he'll have to come see me.

[seabeyond]

18. i use to fly a lot. i have not flown since the first scanner went in. people who are for this cheer

at the loss of money to the airlines. fools. fools that they have allowed tsa to go this far because of delusion of safety due to fear. fools thinking just dont fly will cut it with airlines. i refuse to be handled like a criminal and all protected rights of the post thrown aside with no thought.

let the airlines fail

price of tickets continue to rise. adn all those so very fuckin snarky people saying, just dont fly, can pay double to make up the cost of what i would have spent.

[tblue37]

25. I avoid flying like the plague now. nt

[Gormy Cuss]

8. Of course this about trying to make the full body scanner a more attractive option.

Too many passengers are asking for the patdown instead.

[avaistheone1]

16. Of course it is.

YOU will comply. You will comply. You will comply.
YOU will comply. You will comply. You will comply.
YOU will comply. You will comply. You will comply.
YOU will comply. You will comply. You will comply.
YOU will comply. You will comply. You will comply.
And this is all being done on whose watch?

[indepat]

95. This is just one of about 20 of junior's most obscene polices I thought sure would be shit-canned on

day-one. What a dob-ber-headed fool I was. ;)

[sharp_stick]

9. Meanwhile the airport ground employees

and contractors drive in through the employee gate and walk into the back door.

I saw an interview once with an Israeli airport security expert and he just laughed at the idiotic display of technology as you enter the gate area of the airport. They asked him what he'd do if he wanted to defeat the system and he said he'd get a job as a cleaning contractor. He now has access to almost any area of the airport including the lounges, bathrooms, stairwells... all the nooks and crannies that provide nice places to make a transfer to someone that has just passed the body scanner/pat down area.

Just how much checking do you think goes on when hiring someone at that rate of pay?

[leveymg]

11. Good to know. I'll request a woman for my next pat down.

With a circular, sliding motion . . . :evilgrin: :think: :spank: :loveya: :hug: :dilemma: :blush: :hide: :popcorn: :spray: ;)

[HipChick]

27. I've requested a male many times..as of yet TSA have failed to comply

[Donald Ian Rankin]

12. A pat-down that doesn't go over those areas is worthless, surely?

I think that there's a very compelling case to be made for avoidingthis kind of invasive procedure except when absolutely necessary, and that they're currently being overused, but suggesting that fairly invasive useless searches should be used instead of horrifically invasive possibly-slightly-useful ones is not sensible, I think.

[seabeyond]

20. how many planes are you seeing go down? nt

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

46. You're right. But don't call me Shirley.

Dumb Airplane! line.

:hi:

[seafan]

14. Another bitter legacy of George W. Bush--- Stripped of privacy rights before boarding a plane

New intrusive TSA pat-down or rub-down?

October 28, 2010

FRESNO, California (KFSN) -- Security measures at airports nationwide have changed tremendously over the past several years. But starting Friday, searches will be a bit more intrusive as the Transportation Safety Administration imposes new "pat-down" guidelines.

Pat-downs are normally given at random or to passengers who set off an alarm. Right now, TSA officials are restricted as to how and where someone can be touched. But, these new guidelines now give them access to body parts that were once off limits.

This body scan machine has only been at the Fresno Yosemite International Airport for less than three months, and already security measures are changing.

TSA officials said, "If they don't want to go through the advanced imaging technology, or a metal detector, they will receive alternate screening to include a thorough pat down."

Right now, TSA officials search passengers using the common pat down method. Starting Friday, they'll be able to use a sliding motion and search parts of the body some say are too private ... like the underside of a woman's bra.

We showed a video clip of what the new searches would look like to passengers ... particularly women. Their reaction was all the same.

.....

December 29, 2009

.....

SIEGEL: In your current role as a consultant, do you have an interest in body scanners?

Mr. CHERTOFF: You know, I, to be - we consult with all kinds of firms including firms that you manufacture body scanners.

SIEGEL: You do have some interest in...

Mr. CHERTOFF: Correct. That's correct.

SIEGEL: ...in more sales of body scanners.

.....

Micheal Chertoff is smiling




So, is everyone OK with a free MRI, strip search and invasive pat-down before flying to Grandma's for Thanksgiving?

[notesdev]

19. Indeed, another Bush error... compounded by the Obama admin

Seems to be quite the pattern... the wars, the budget, the banks, and many other things.

Plus la change, plus la meme chose.

[FiveGoodMen]

24. Bush started it, but that does not excuse those who continue and expand these policies.

The guy in the White House does not want change.

He wants acceleration.

[Individualist]

32. Another Bush policy continued by Obama

[krabigirl]

40. And will be continued by any corporate dem or republican. Enough is enough.

[notesdev]

17. Time to adopt Israeli methods

Notice despite being in the bullseye for these sort of attacks, they don't seem to happen there? It's because the behavior profiling they do is extremely effective.

And they don't have to molest every person who wants to take a plane ride in the process.

The bullheaded approach that the TSA has taken leads me to believe there are ulterior motives driving their actions, motives not connected to airline security. I personally would feel safer with no TSA at all than with the apparatus we have now.

[hedgehog]

21. I'd like to see these claims about Israeli security techniques documented.

I'd also like to see confirmation from Arab sources that the Israelis depend on behavioral profiling and not racial profiling.

[Odin2005]

58. Habituation to Fascism.

[felix_numinous]

22. I do not consent to this, did not vote for this, and

feel personal space is being invaded, I am being insulted by the assumption I am guilty!

It is social arms race, and I seem to remember that no one wins in an arms race. A force is applied to society, which creates a resistance to that force. The greater the force, the greater the resistance, on and on. They are creating a violent society, not preventing it.

[AsahinaKimi]

23. I am waiting for the day, that to board an airplane you

only need wear a disposable "travel robe" provided by the airlines. This includes slippers. Inspected Carry on luggage will be stashed in upper compartments by air officers. I see this day coming soon in our soon to be police state.

[seabeyond]

28. cavaty checks before the robes.... but, we will be safe then. all is well. nt

[L0oniX]

26. What if there's a bomb up someones ass? Ass Bomber?

pfffft

[The Straight Story]

29. This election day remember ABB

:evilgrin:

[dkf]

30. When will our war with Muslim extremists be over?

Will this never end? Bin Laden is still subjecting us to this crap. What an ass.

[Odin2005]

60. "We are always at war with Eastasia."

[trusty elf]

31. As I recall, the effing box-cutters weren't smuggled on the planes

by the hijackers, but were put there by accomplices working as ground crew. Even if all of these scanners and pat down feel up procedures had been used on 911, it wouldn't have changed a thing.

:mad:

[Rebubula]

33. Unless...

...you can provide proof of that, I do not buy it.

I have never heard of such a thing and never seen any trials\arrests etc based on such a theory. Plus the fact that many dispel the idea of boxcutters as we really have no idea how they took control of the plane.

http://www.slate.com/id/2088092/

[trusty elf]

34. Well, in fact, I admit that I don't really know what I'm talking about,

nor can I say where I got that idea. Sorry about the dumb post. :-/

[tanyev]

64. I recall seeing that story quite a bit in the days/weeks after 9/11.

I guess it went down the same hole as the story about the questionable stock trades.

[some guy]

81. You needn't apologize.

That poster was unnecessarily rude, in my opinion.

[some guy]

80. never heard of such a thing?

Really?

Your own link mentions hijackers with box cutters - though it does say that's a myth. Where did the myth come from, and how did you manage to read the article you linked to, without noticing that box cutters were mentioned?

As for where trusty elf may have got that information, and why Slate felt the need to debunk it, perhaps this article played a role:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/23/inv.investigation.terrorism/

<snip>

Investigators say they aren't sure whether the tools found were intended for some sort of innocent use or whether their owners may have had malicious intent. But they say the two planes' passenger manifests have been checked. And investigators increasingly believe that the weapons may have been prepositioned by accomplices for use by others. As one U.S. official told Time magazine, "These look like inside jobs."

</snip>

that's the 5th paragraph of the article I'm linking
(6th para if you count the bolded 1st)

So, please clarify what exactly it is you clim to never have heard of.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. The land of the felt up and home of the fondled....for their own good, of course.

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. heehee

:evilgrin:

[Dappleganger]

36. Time to take the train...

high-speed train, anyone??

[ProdigalJunkMail]

39. trust me...they would want to feel you up there as well n/t

[shanti]

61. but they don't now

or buses...

[ProdigalJunkMail]

62. if they became ANY SORT of a target

you can bet your butt the TSA would implement the same insane policies at rail and bus stations.

sP

[CBGLuthier]

37. everyone should insist on separate room searches, choke the damned system

We are a nation of sheep.

[Lance_Boyle]

41. My solution remains the same. Don't bathe for a week before flying, and

DEMAND the enhanced pat-down. For fucks sake, if someone's going to violate my civil rights they're goddamned sure going to do it in person while I look them in the eye, not on nudie-vision camera, and they're going to experience some unpleasant odors in the process. Sorry security guy - you work for the stasi you're going to feel up some cheesy-smelling balls. Eat a bland lunch. I didn't force this on you.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

42. +1 n/t

[MedicalAdmin]

85. Eat garlic before and make sure there is fresh shit in yur pants

[Ilsa]

43. It is a ploy to push more through machines. My friend is wife of an airline pilot and

when they went through Dallas, TSA wanted her to go through the "R-rated" scanner. She refused. Even though she had her passport and her husband had hi employee ID, they insisted on a thorough groping of her IN PUBLIC to make sure everyone else would see what happens to those refusing the scanner. She felt like she had been publicly molested. And they didn't even kiss her afterwards.

[AnArmyVeteran]

44. Last month I saw a 18 yo girl patted down for 15 minutes.

The male security guy used his hands and rubbed them all over her body. He went to her crotch at least five times. The girl wore tight jeans so it looked obvious she had nothing hidden. But the security guy kept running his hands from her ankles slowly up to her crotch. He also felt her ass and breasts several times too. She just stood there in full view of all the others going through the security checkpoint. I suppose she was too frightened to protest. There were female security guards but they were busy patting down men.

I had no idea if what was being done was legal and my first impulse was to go to her aid, but then I thought of the ramifications of protesting how this girl was being manhandled so intimately. Since those security forces have the authority to do almost anything I'm sure they would have detained me for an unknown amount of time and I would have missed my flight which was about to begin boarding.

I feel bad now that I didn't go to her defense because I felt as if that security guy stepped way over the boundaries and even violated her by continuing to touch her crotch.

Has anyone else witnessed such an intrusive examination of a young girl? When I got to my destination I bought an iPhone and now I can shoot video wherever I go and I wish I had it before my trip so I could have recorded the event.

I heard one security expert describe the security at airports as 'purely theatrical' and it just gives the illusion of security. He went on to say if a terrorist wanted to, he could slip through security inspections with relative ease. And while passengers are being closely searched the cargo area right beneath their feet are virtually uninspected. Not only that, but shipping containers that are loaded into the cargo areas of planes are often not even stored in secure areas prior to being loaded onto a plane. So while passengers are being virtually strip searched they could be boarding a plane with an explosive device just a few feet underneath them.

NOTE: Aircraft manufacturers like Boeing fought against strengthening cockpit doors citing costs. If cockpit doors were made strong enough to prevent cockpit intrusion I wonder if most of the flights on 9-11 could have resisted takeover by terrorists? Since terrorists were only armed with box cutters I don't see how they could have penetrated a reinforced cockpit door. The small amount of money saved by having weak cockpit doors led to the losses of 3,000 human beings on 9-11, trillions in losses to our economy because the market plummeted, the bakruptcies of hundreds of companies, two unnecessary wars, loss of almost 5,000 US soldiers, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, trillions in debt caused by the wars and the establishment of the Patriot Act and Homeland Security which cost an additional hundreds of billions to the US taxpayers. Because of shortsighted, irresponsible cost cutting measures by aircraft manufacturers and airlines, what could have been a small expense up front to reinforce cockpit doors turned into unimaginable carnage and the loss of tens of trillions. But capitalists can cheer since Boeing, other manufacturers and airline companies saved a few dollars. Capitalists believe maximizing short term profits are paramount and to hell with any future ramifications of their decisions.

The same argument could be applied to the oil industry which constantly fights against any regulations that could have prevented the BP drilling rig disaster which directly killed 11 human beings, destroyed the livelihoods of tens of thousands of workers and the gut wrenching defiling of the waters in the Gulf of Mexico. Blowout preventers are the equivalent to the strengthened cockpit doors but again, shortsighted and selfish capitalists have zero concern for long term damage as long as they can save a few bucks up front.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

63. then what you witnesses was a grotesque violation

of TSA policy. I hate the TSA as much as the next guy and having a MALE frisk a FEMALE is a total no-no and wildly against policy. If it ever happens again, someone should take action.

sP

[bobbolink]

45. Funny. "Opposite gender". So, here comes the gay issue....

This could play out in a very interesting way.

"To apply for a TSA job, you HAVE to tell."

[nilram]

77. All I can say is, the guy who pats me down better be handsome!

And if not, I'll just say, "You know, I'm still hiding something. I think that guy should pat me down!"

[bobbolink]

106. You can make fun of it all you want. That isn't going to change the ugly nature of this.

[mrs_p]

49. several countries i've been to

have this type of padding down procedure at their airports - but it has always been done to me by another woman and behind a screen

[txaslftist]

53. Gonna drive from now on.

No more flying, forget it.

Had a trip planned with my wife to San Francisco, that's scrubbed now.

If any TSA person, male or female, touched her that way I would break them in two.

If the alternative is a look at my naked body and hers?

Fuck them.

Fuck this.

We are a nation of sheep to put up with this.

[seabeyond]

86. last spring we drove from amarillo to SF. we took two different routes. two drivers.

hubby got more time off this way. went as a family. and my kids got to get the feel of the west, which they couldnt flying there and back. we LOVED it. we drove from tx to cape cod the years before. LOVED it. we plan our next trip oregon, washington, canada, come down montana. only area we have not been to.

i love driving. it has been like a blessing getting pissed and airlines and not flying anymore. i stopped a while ago.

[Permanut]

54. I don't suppose

I could have a cigarette afterwards?

[Odin2005]

55. That is SICK!

:puke:

[Quantess]

56. I hope an occasional, bold, female passenger gets really obnoxious about it.

I'd like to see some woman stick her chest out, say something raunchy, and really make a scene. Maybe rip off her top, for good measure.

Embarrass the homeland security!

[SoCalDem]

57. I am sad for my son, who travels a LOT

He has a urostomy, and of course he is now given extra scrutiny, even though he has to now "tell" about his medical condition every time he flies. He is not "ashamed" of this , but it's annoying to a young businessman (the boss, actually), to be taken aside for "special screening" while his associates flying with him, wait in the regular line:(..

[2Design]

66. I will cry the whole time for being raped and I will say it outloud too n/t

[Blue Owl]

68. It's all part of the TSA's "Bad Touch" program

From whose ass do they pull these great ideas?

[MissB]

69. My doctor does my breast exam each year.

I don't need anyone else doing a cancer check.

[The Backlash Cometh]

71. Where is the ACLU on this matter?

What's going to happen when those of us who are dark skinned can say that we've been picked out and sexually abused by the TSA more than a half dozen times? And there are anglo-women who can claim they never have been touched?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

73. Meet our new "hires"

We just bought two Piper Meridians and two Pilatus PC-12's to operate our own corporate shuttle service, one of each for each coast.

[Celtic Raven]

74. I found this article interesting

Body Scanners Unveiled at JFK Airport; Homeland Security Sect. Janet Napolitano Doesn’t Volunteer

Christina Boyle
New York Daily News
October 25, 2010

Airline passengers might want to consider a trip to the gym before heading to the airport now that high-tech body scanners have been unveiled at Kennedy Airport.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano yesterday hailed them as an important breakthrough for airport security and the fight against terrorism.

Yet when it came to testing the devices – which produce chalky, naked X-ray images of passengers – she turned the floor over to some brave volunteers.

“These machines represent an important way to stay ahead of the ever-evolving threat that faces the aviation industry,” Napolitano said.

More at link: http://shatterlimits.com/body-scanners-unveiled-at-jfk-airport-homeland-security-sect-janet-napolitano-doesnt-volunteer/

While the little people (us) are subjected to more and more invasive measures before being allowed near a plane, Napolitano didn't want naked pics taken of her, and I'm sure didn't allow anyone to feel her up.

[Hannah Bell]

75. I think it's to make violation & humiliation the new normal.

[seabeyond]

87. agreed. i always wondered how citiczens allowed certain events in history. abuse of others. i see

today, how it was done. we all lay down and submit.... willingly, out of irrational fear

[saras]

76. Three ideas, all bad

Crap your pants quite thoroughly when they stick their hands down there.

S&M underwear with ceramic spikes that don't show up on the scanner.

Quote the restaurant scene from "When Harry Met Sally", loudly.

Sorry, there just aren't any GOOD ways of dealing with institutionalized rape.

[seabeyond]

88. institutionalized rape.... oh baby, oh baby... oh Oh oH OOOOHHHH

that would eb so funny. take some brave souls. but i like

[SeattleGirl]

78. How about doing more screening of luggage and cargo? n/t

[TheWatcher]

79. Perfectly Loving, Fun, Innovative, and Of the Lord.

I don't see what all the paranoid, America Hating bile is all about frankly.

This is just another smart, logical step of The New Freedom, and Enhanced Democracy they have been rolling out.

They are now giving us some diversity, and some choice which is very stimulating and arousing for the trip, and reminds us of the vast bastion of freedom and liberty we live in.

A dose of nutritious, protein, anti-oxidant enriched Radiation, or a good feel-up to make the cheeks blush and get the juices flowing.

Full Public Cavity Search and Terminal Rape can't be too far away, and this can only further enhance Freedom and Civil Liberty to extremes we never thought Possible.

MLK and JFK, and even Thomas Jefferson would shed tears of unbridled joy at this breathtaking display of the principles our country was founded on.

The sooner they can subject small children and teens to this, the better bootleg porn we will see loving, patriotic TSA employees upload to the Internet, which is good for America, good for Freedom, and shows the terrorists our invincible, steely resolve.

:sarcasm:

On a more somber, serious note:

What does it take America? How much more of this are you willing to allow to go on?

How much is Enough?

As Al Pacino lamented in "And Justice For All...." with desperate tears in his eyes:

"Don't You Care?"

[indepat]

98. Waxing poetic at its zenith

:applause:

[madmax]

83. I'm sure a lot of women

saw this coming. We've been dealing with idiots like this since puberty, who use either power or opportunity to act like scumbags.

Ok, my fellow females - do those knee and leg excesses and knee them in the nuts - HARD.

[IDemo]

84. Been on my own No Fly list for a decade

I don't see that changing.

[Danger Mouse]

89. Until this shit changes, I will not be flying. Fuck this noise.

[indepat]

92. May the TSA, Homeland Security, and the Obama administration revel in my thoughts on the matter

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: tenfold, a hundred-fold, a thousand-fold, a million-fold, a billion-fold, ad infinitum until they get the message that those willing to give up liberty for a little seeming security will soon have neither. :patriot:

[SmileyRose]

94. they can feel me up for an hour - I'M NOT GOING THROUGH THAT SCANNER

I could care less if some freak working for the TSA gets his jollies off looking at outlines of bodies. It's not the modesty. I have recently changed jobs and fly quite a lot now. They can assure me until the cows come home that scanner is safe. I'm not buying it.

[seabeyond]

96. it isnt mere "outlines" of bodies. and feeling up for an hour? i understand cause you have to fly

how you may put all this as insignificant.

but pulling young girls out to feel em up for an hour...

hm

[SmileyRose]

97. No - the pat downs are stupid and wrong.

but I think this increased pat down thingy is to try to force people into the machine. Many people will make that choice to shave time off the pain in the butt of getting to the gate for the flight.

I'd personally like to see every single woman on every single flight in America deliberately set off the metal detector, refuse the naked machine, and force the "new and improved" pat down - and do it for as days weeks or months as it takes for the TSA to give it up. When airlines have to start holding up flights because every woman on board and any male companions who are with them are stuck in security getting felt up, that will be a quick end this this feel em up farce. IMHO

[seabeyond]

99. so right on smiley. and from 20 - 80 women having loud faked orgasms as they are patted down

per a poster above. would be a hoot in the wait

[bluerum]

100. And why wouldn't male passangers object to having thier 'body parts' searched?

Why is this especially 'extremely intrusive and very disturbing to female passengers' and not to men also?

[seabeyond]

101. i am all for the males being outraged. why? women talking about it? for real? history and lifetime

violated by males in different manners.....

jsut a guess

are you suggesting men experience the same over the course of their lives, with groping and beyond?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

104. Honestly, if the back of some guy's hand slides over my junk... so what.

It's not unexpected.
It's not sexual.
It's not a big deal.

I don't see the big deal.
People need to not be so uptight/outraged about meaningless things.

[Liberal_in_LA]

107. They are switching to the front of the hand - his palm will be sliding over your 'junk'

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

108. Still not a big deal.