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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:01 PM
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Will Housing Prices Collapse?
Will Housing Prices Collapse?
posted with permission from http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2010/10/when-will-housing-prices-rise.html

As a 34 year Los Angeles based real estate investor, my answer may shock you.

Whether you live in the U.S., Europe or Japan, I predict home prices will collapse and they will not rebound for 2 to 5 years depending upon your government's actions. In the next year alone, there will be a 10 to 20% drop.

Why so dire a prediction? Because economies in all of those nations are fighting a collapse and the health of the housing market plays a crucial role in each economy as does the health of each economy play a vital role in housing prices. In the U.S., huge numbers of foreclosures have been kept off the market for political reasons but not for much longer, particularly after the November 2nd elections.

Meanwhile, the number of jobless and underemployed are mounting and people are slashing their spending, as their savings are being depleted. They're not racing out to buy homes or buy other goods that used to drive the economy.

For many who have jobs, they are now in the service industry paying $10 or $15 an hour, not nearly enough money to buy an expensive home. Home prices are set by what people can afford.

This is why the U.S. Treasury is about to float an additional several hundred billion dollars in debt over the next several months and why the U.S. Fed will buy most of it. They hope to stimulate the grim U.S. economy but what it will do is flood the U.S. and the rest of the world with cheap dollars, while sinking the U.S. deeper in debt.

What does this mean to you? If you have a home to sell, put it on the market now and price it to sell! Consult your local real estate professional first, but with prices falling, what are you waiting for?

If you need to do a "short sale," meaning to price your home at the current market level by persuading your lender to also take a write off on your mortgage, get started ASAP. Most giant U.S. lenders, the "too big to fail" banks bailed out with taxpayer dollars are slow to respond and in many cases will opt to foreclose instead even though it seems to make no financial sense. You need to know where you stand.

If you rent an apartment, condo or a house and you are a good tenant, you are worth your weight in gold to landlords. As more homes and condos are foreclosed, investors will buy them and in many cases use them as rentals, flooding the market and driving down rents. Everyone will be looking for good tenants and will make concessions to get them.

I'm sorry for this dire prediction and as an investor and landlord, I will share in your pain. But foreclosures and falling real estate prices are a symptom of the problems we caused ourselves from greed, financial irresponsibility and from spending on wars. Despite the actions of the U.S. Fed, we can't spend our way out of our problems, we must solve them.

Throughout history, financial collapses are common, although this one is much bigger than most and already the worst since the Great Depression. When the pain gets bad enough, governments eventually find ways to solve them and market forces also play a crucial role. That will happen here but it took years to get into this mess and it will take years to get out of it, getting worse before it gets better.

Note: Thank you to my friend Jon, and to my wife Anne for encouraging me to be so candid with you. The intent of this piece is strictly to help you protect yourself.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:07 PM
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1. K&R for another "nobody could've predicted" excuse.
Simply amazing how powerful denial can be.
:kick: & R

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:07 PM
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2. um, the time to sell was 3+ years ago
flooding the market with even more homes for sale will not increase the number of buyers. There already aren't many -- or any -- buyers out there.

Too late, but nice try to get more places to stick your sign Mr. Realtor.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:39 PM
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10. The Author gave that advice 3 years ago, and I posted it on DU back then...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2363913

RE: nice try to get more places to stick your sign Mr. Realtor. I don't think you should take your anger out on someone who is just trying to help people protect themselves. There is no financial gain to be made, or greed hidden in this piece





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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:44 PM
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11. well 3 years ago the advice was appropriate
now it is 3 years too late. there is nobody to sell to. and the realtors around here just give you a big sales pitch to get the listing. and then re-direct any buyers to their family and friends. So now I don't trust any of them.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:11 PM
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3. Prices have already collapsed.
About 40% by my account, and even at that price point my house still isn't selling. Nobody is even looking.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:15 PM
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4. +1
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:17 PM
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7. Please see my post #5...
I truly believe this... and this OpEd OP falls right into my prediction... like a hand in glove.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:23 PM
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8. Yep, it's obvious now.
The financial publications have been running subtle propaganda for the banks all week. I only know because I've been watching bank stocks on finance.yahoo.com. Almost every related article that pops up during the day is pure propaganda.

The scam continues, and the media doesn't care. Not even in the slightest.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:25 PM
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16. a minor quibble-- no, prices are already *collapsing*....
This train wreck has only just begun, I suspect.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:48 PM
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20. It has to get really bad..
so we all short sell, or otherwise hand over our property out of fear.

There's that word again.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:15 PM
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5. The problem with loan mods and short sales...
Is your credit rating getting a big ding... making it unlikely you will ever own a home again.

I think we're being scared into action here... I think this is another giant "redistribution of wealth"... ours to them. They took all our money, now they want our real property too... so they can rent it back to us at exorbitant prices.

Mark my words. This whole deal seems very contrived... in their favor. Who benefits? The Banksters. The RE "Haves" who are grabbing properties like mad right now. Even the loan mod/short sale real estate attorneys will tell you they will put the first bid on your place "to make sure it gets attention." Uh huh.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:00 PM
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13. I keep posting this
which was from a good while ago because it shows even more bad news on the horizon. They have to know this is coming.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:47 PM
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19. "They have to know this is coming."
Sure they do... and they are no doubt very pleased to see their plans come to fruition.

We're being robbed, in broad daylight, without guns.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:16 PM
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6. it is nice to see someone connect the depression
of wages and the low wage service sector jobs to the economy in general.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:24 PM
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9. I thought they already did collapse
:shrug:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:55 PM
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12. Thank You SO Much For The Heads Up. My Son Is Looking To Buy His First
home here in Florida so this information is very helpful. My daughter has a home that still has about $125,000 in equity but they wanted to sell because it's a large home and they wanted to downsize. However, she told me they are trying to wait it out for at least 5 years. She and her husband are critical care nurses and jobs in the medical field seem more stable than a many other fields. She's also going to school to get her Nurse Practitioner's license.

I have 5 acres of land that's paid for and do want to sell it, but the prices are too low right now, so we're opting to wait it out too. Paying the taxes that have dropped is all the expense we have on it.

I would like to ask a question though. Do you have any speculation about the market? Seems it's doing okay for now and we have an IRA with Morgan Stanley, but I don't want to play around with what we have there. They are going to start charging more fees after the first of the year and we have decided to move it to our Credit Union even if the interest rates are low. I have some fear about losing what we have and we can move it there until things get better and we can sell our 5 acres. Do you feel the market is going to start fluctuating downward?

Just thought I would ask, but thanks again for the information.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:08 PM
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14. my crystal ball tells me the same thing..only more like a 20 to 25% future decrease
why?..the loan mods aren't working..millions upon millions of those folks are about to be foreclosed upon..the predator is waiting to fire the fatal shot..and for good reasons...but they are very very close..and when that happens..we're nose diving again
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:09 PM
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15. It's not "dire" if you are in the market to buy one
That kind of bad news is always good news for someone.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:34 PM
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17. I don't think you are at all right.
I think home prices will remain flat for the next decade as overall inflation catches up with overblow house prices, but in any event inflating the overall economy will support infated housing costs, not cause their early demise.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 04:19 PM
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21. People are increasingly doubling up and renting places together.
Look around and I predict you will see apartment buildings with big banners saying "NOW RENTING". One would think the decrease in home ownership would drive rents up, but that isn't happening in most places.

There is also a substantial surplus in housing, in most cities. Supply outpaces demand.

I think home prices will continue to drop, and rent will stay about the same.
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sally cat Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:41 PM
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18. The real collapse is happening now (still) and will get worse.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 04:45 PM
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22. And what about the homes that got foreclosed on illegally?
Have some of them already been sold. I know I would be wanting my house back if the bank took it illegally.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:07 AM
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23. Full disclosure from the Author...
From his email:

DU readers...We invest only for our own account...unlike a financial adviser, a stock broker or a real estate agent, we don't make commissions regardless....We make investments of our money in real estate and if we are right, we make money and if we are wrong, we bear the losses. It is no academic consideration.

This is our perspective as 34 year investors on what is about to happen in real estate and why.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:17 AM
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24. Too late to rec
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:17 AM by dipsydoodle
but the thought is there with you.

On the subject of "This is why the U.S. Treasury is about to float an additional several hundred billion dollars in debt......."

Thirty-Three Hours May Induce ECB Surrender on Weak Dollar.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s push to jump-start the U.S. economy this week may weaken the dollar, forcing at least one other central bank to add its own stimulus to offset a rising exchange rate.

Bernanke is set to embark on an unprecedented second round of unconventional monetary easing, one result of which may be a cheaper dollar that boosts U.S. growth by helping American exports. A related consequence: stronger currencies abroad, threatening European and Japanese expansion.

With the major central banks all announcing decisions within 33 hours this week, fallout from the Fed could cause Bank of Japan Governor Masaaki Shirakawa to do more for his economy and Bank of England Governor Mervyn King to leave the door open to more aid. Even as European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet holds the line against inflation, he may eventually change course if the euro surges, while emerging markets are already acting to restrain currencies.

“An easing in U.S. monetary policy creates pressure on the rest of the world to respond,” said Dominic Wilson, New York- based senior global economist at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in New York. “The subsequent weakening in the dollar tends to tighten financial conditions outside the U.S.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-01/thirty-three-hour-marathon-may-induce-ecb-surrender-as-fed-weakens-dollar.html
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