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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:22 PM Original message |
The Myth of Charter Schools by Diane Ravitch |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. companion thread: |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. from link above. I don't think they'll mind the long snip: |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. Same old. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. "unions need to police their own ranks". so why is the government doing it by |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. quick! what was the baldfaced lie in the post to which you responded? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. delete |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. "what is unique is that they can't be fired." |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. In YOUR opinion. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. How do you propose unions do that? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. It's not my job to figure it out. I'm a restaurant manager. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You made the suggestion |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Concrete suggestions are often ignored, which is why you're ignoring me. |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. What is the percentage |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The termination rate in the private sector is somewhere around 5% annually |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I'm sorry |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The remaining 1% of all employees in the private sector |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. So |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. No |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. The numbers are still confusing me. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. The 1% is the same as 20% of 5%, phrased differently |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. That clears it up for me :) |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. At least 1% of the LA teacher workforce of 43,000, or 430 teachers, |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Okay |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Deleted message |
The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Well |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I didn't mean to be belittling |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. As far as I am concerned, the term "charter school" is a... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 07:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. +1 |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. k & r |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
10. Kick |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
13. so what the f*ck IS the solution? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Lets model our schools after Finland and the other top school systems. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. An excellent suggestion. And Finland's teachers are highly unionized. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The problem is not the unions or the teachers... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Fine, but adopting Finland's system might mean changing ours |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. and the aliens |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Are some Dems now anti-union? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Yes |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. K & R nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
17. K&R |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
18. Blaming the teachers for poor education outcomes has a parallel in the auto industry. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
21. "Superman" is simply an anti union, anti public school screed, if it |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. But if you read the entire article |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Once you accept the idea that anything is insurmountable |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. It certainly won't be improved by kowtowing to the vulture capitalists who |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Agreed |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Because step 1 is defund. "defund, declare a failure, privatize" |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Australia in 2007 was ranked #1 in quality of education |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
56. Schools could be designed to overcome the issue of poverty. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
24. I wonder if the corp media will be giving this article a week of free, unquestioning publicity. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Bwah! |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
41. There seems to be a number of misconceptions about education issues in these posts. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. The half a million dollars which is spent to fire a bad teacher |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Putting ten, or twenty, new teachers into an impossible no-win situation will make no difference. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Nonsense. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Have you ever taught school? I did, in a big city public school system. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-01-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It's not that complicated. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
42. I just read that in my print NYR |
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