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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:19 AM
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No More ‘Yabbadabadoo!’ in the U.S.


The world of Fred Flintstone was a mirror of the carefree postwar America that saw the sky as the limit and deemed itself invincible.


No More ‘Yabbadabadoo!’ in the U.S.
De Standaard, Belgium
By Luckas vander Taelen
Translated By Anne Hukkelhoven
22 October 2010
Edited by Heidi Kaufmann

I grew up with the Flintstones. The series ran on the then-BRT (Belgian Radio and Television) at the beginning of the ‘60s. When a cartoon was broadcast, all children sat in front of the TV. There wasn't much choice: Brussels Flemish was the only existing channel. So everyone watched the same thing, and the next day we spoke about nothing else on the playground. The Flintstones became madly popular in no time, and commerce gladly played on that. If you bought a bottle of Cécémel, you got the Flintstones figures for free. I have never drank that much chocolate milk as in that period.

~snip~

The world of Fred Flintstone was a mirror of the carefree postwar America that saw the sky as the limit and deemed itself invincible. However, white America, because no blacks or Latinos lived in Bedrock. The series ran from 1960 until 1966, while the American dream slowly started to tatter. The political murders of the Kennedys and Martin Luther King and the Vietnamese nightmare would end that euphoric era.

Who then (that) enjoyed the Flintstones every week — and now watches the series again 50 years later — can (help) but wonder how much the United States has changed. The unbridled optimism and faith in one's own possibilities of that era have given way to fear and cynicism. The globalization and the financial crisis have caused the feeling of the American nation to slowly degenerate. The tea party movement around the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin — along with the Fox TV channel — encourages the distrust toward everything coming from Washington and tries to impair the authority of President Obama in every way possible. The fearful America that shouted, “Yes, we can!” not too long ago seems ripe for that populism of the tea party.

More than 20 percent of Americans still do not believe that Obama has American nationality and suspect a dark conspiracy behind his election. Because he wants to give all Americans health insurance, Obama is for many Americans a crypto-communist. The average American thinks that the right to own a weapon is more important than a generalized health policy. He has become a coward who feels constantly threatened and does not know anymore what the place of his country will be in the new world order.


The idea of the Democratic Party from the ‘60s to turn the U.S. into a great society —with, as (its) end goal, a society without poverty or racism — seems further away than ever. Because of the costs of the wars and the sky-high debts, the American state is not even able to fulfill its most essential duties. Because there is no money to repair some badly damaged roads, the pavement is then all but removed. That way, the government is relieved of its duty to maintain the public roads, because they get degraded to paved country roads. While the investors bring their money en masse into safety in the Asian growth markets, the United States seems to have definitely lost its image as an economic superpower. Americans increasingly fold back into themselves and fear what the future will bring. They no longer dream of a New Frontier like Kennedy nor of the ambitious New Deal of Roosevelt. The only thing that's left for them is the memory of their glorious past. And the reruns of the Flintstones … the nostalgia of the perished Bedrock, when America still believed in itself and let me, as a young boy, dream.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:23 AM
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1. k/r, as a former Flintstones watcher and fan
And it's not just limited to the Flintstones. You can go back to movies of the 60's and 70's and get a taste of the same: just how far we've fallen.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:24 AM
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2. Yes, but the show proved
to people like Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell that humans and dinosaurs lived together, and we all know how important that is.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:28 AM
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3. ...
:evilgrin:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:42 AM
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7. You're right
it's right there captured on 'film'. :rofl:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 01:02 AM
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31. It also proved aliens exist, wonder how Sister Sarah and Mini I'm You deal with that?


:evilgrin:

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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:51 AM
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42. Only one member of the family had to work, was able to buy a house and support the family
What a fantasy land they lived in!!!

No wonder the younger generation seem not to give a sh&t about the future. Why should they?
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 05:58 PM
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48. Yeah.
Humans and dinosaurs socialized. Humans and non-whites...not so much.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:31 AM
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4. Fred and Wilma Flintstone were the first couple shown in bed together on TV
True fact.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:43 AM
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8. No shit,
I didn't know that. Remember Lucy and Ricky always the double bed.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:07 AM
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17. Yes, when I think of Fred and Wilma in this respect, I also think of Lucy and Ricky.
Here's another tidbit from my warehouse of useless information: Panama hats are made in Ecuador.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:28 PM
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25. I wonder where Ecuadoran hats are made.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:35 AM
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30. Oooo, never thought of that.
China maybe? Now my head hurts.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 08:35 AM
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44. Pananma, silly...
:D
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:34 AM
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5. The Flintstones Were Lifted From The Honeymooners...
A far greater representation of what life was like in the 50s, but probably never made it to Belgian TV. If anything, the Flintstones were a satire of their times...dependence on "modern conveniences" and dysfunctional relationships. The show that tried to spotlight the "American Dream" was the Jetsons...showing us a world of the future loaded with all sorts of consumer toys and changing roles in the American family.

Overall, a broad brush typical of those who view our culture from the outside (just like we pass value judgements on others). Most Americans aren't nostalgic for the "good old days" cause there weren't any...just special times and moments. For most of us that "American Dream" was a joke in the 60s and still is today.
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denpat1 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:58 AM
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11. agreed
The jetsons showed a peaceful future not that far removed from everyday life of the modern American family circa 1960's. Family life was the same except for the conveniences and gadgetry made our everyday mundane challenges less challenging.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:21 AM
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40. minor correction
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 07:23 AM by txlibdem
The Jetsons lived in an upscale high rise building, the pollution was so bad that it was on a tower that could be raised when the pollution made breathing difficult. The denizens of the Jetsons world are the elite, the commoners and poor living on the polluted ground are never shown. It was a depiction of our current situation -- the rich live in beautiful communities walled off from the rest of us, behind gated communities, with all the "modern conveniences." Just like the Jetsons.

As I look back on my naive younger self I wondered why I never questioned who bought the sprockets that George made in his automated factory at Spacely Sprockets. Where did those people live? They were never shown, never talked about, never thought about. Reread the 2nd to last sentence of my first paragraph... George was the only employee -- and he made a very nice living for his labor (tasked only with pushing the "start" button each morning). Does anyone see a parallel with investment bankers/attorneys/hedge fund managers in terms of being fantastically compensated for basically doing nothing (useful).
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:19 AM
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19. Right about the Honeymooners, wrong about the "good old days"
The "American Dream" has been a joke since Saint Ronnie came along in 1981 but it was real during the three preceding decades.

In fact, the New Deal order produced the only three decades in American history -- the '50s, '60s and '70s -- when economic security and opportunity were widely shared. It was the only period in the American chronicle when unions were big and powerful enough to ensure that corporate revenue actually trickled down to workers. It marked the only time in American history when, courtesy originally of the GI Bill, the number of Americans going to college surged. It was the only time when taxes on the rich were really significantly higher than taxes on the rest of us. It was the only time that the minimum wage kept pace (almost) with the cost of living. And it was the only time when most Americans felt confident enough about their economic prospects, and those of their nation, to support the taxes that built the postwar American infrastructure.

Since the ascent of Ronald Reagan, though, America's claim to being a land of opportunity has become a sick joke. Unions have dwindled; colleges have become unaffordable; manufacturing has gone abroad; taxes on the rich have plummeted; our infrastructure has decayed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/26/AR2010102605216.html
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:20 AM
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20. Not for everyone......




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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:25 PM
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21. The 24th Amendment became law in 1964.
Two important civil rights acts were passed in the sixties. In 1967 the SCOTUS ruled that prohibiting interracial marriage was unconstitutional. In 1971 they upheld busing as a means to achieve school integration. It's silly to assert that African-Americans as a community made no gains during this period.

My point was about economic opportunity overall. All racial groups benefited from the gains I described during these three decades.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:37 AM
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:06 AM
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39. I agree.
You are sorry.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 06:32 PM
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49. Wow. I didn't know about that dream.
Mr. Crow made the 50s and 60s a nightmare.
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Moonbat2 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:29 AM
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32. HA
In 40-50 years these will be "the good old days"
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 09:46 AM
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46. I always saw them as more like "I Love Lucy."
The Honeymooners was actually a very dark show in terms of economics. The Kramdens never even owned a sofa, and they were constantly in financial dire straits.

The Flintstones lived a life more similar to that of the Ricardos and the Mertzes. They had television, and Wilma wore some nice rocks around her neck. They were raising very young children and dealt essentially with suburban life.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:40 AM
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6. On one side, the cartoon, "The Flintstones", on the other, the video game, "Mirror's Edge"
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 07:41 AM by Occulus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gsv_x7voj0

"Once the City used to pulse with energy; dirty and dangerous, but alive and wonderful.

Now, it's something else."

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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:49 AM
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9. These days "HarveyBirdman" - Attorney at law
is Successfully Defending Mr. Fred Flinstone from RICO Statutes. :wow:

Seriously though, the White Flight is over and some of those are lamenting that their Houses out in the suburbs are worth far less than the Houses they fled from in the inner City. The Children of the suburbs were not only taught that others were inherently evil. but the Competition and fear generated in the suburbs causes selfishness and Greed.

A very large problem is also the dissemination of information. The Grapevine is rather thick! as truthful information gets easily corrupted via "clever Editing". Propaganda is accepted equal to if not more than truth.

As well as the large amount of information causes people to "skim" to get through faster and accurate comprehension is lost. Add to that the blatant Propaganda presented, it is NO wonder some get it wrong time after time. And believe Only what they agree with.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:05 PM
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24. I loved that episode. Fred as Tony Soprano. lol!
I think the truth is that, for as long as I can remember, the U.S. has had to fight against racism and ignorance. Back then, it seemed like the racists and ignorant could and would be subdued - we were going to the moon!

then Ronnie Raygun made it safe to be racist and ignorant.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:56 AM
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10. Not to mention "the Jetsons".
Still waiting for my hover car.

j/k

Good post.

:kick:
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:10 AM
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15. I was about to say...
The Flintstones' sister show, The Jetsons, reflected America's optimism during that era, as well. After all, by the 21st century we'd be building pristine, utopian cities in outer space, we'd each drive our own little space vehicles, and we'd have robot maids cater to our every whim.

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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:32 PM
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28. Is it just me, or was Rosie hot?
Or do I just have a thing for female robots?
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:52 AM
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12. Yeah, how did a sawed-off runt like Barney rate a hottie like Betty, anyway?
(Thus was my train of thought before I grew up and became a sawed-off runt myself...:shrug:)
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:56 AM
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13. The rest of the world sees us so clearly
and we won't even look in the mirror. What a sad joke the US has become.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:10 AM
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14. that depends on prop 19, doesn't it?
Somebody told me that "yabbadabbaDOO" was sort of underground brand name for some California pot. Hannah=Barbera, the same people who brought us Scooby-doo. Scooby, who always has the munchies because, after all, "Scooby doobie do".

Don't bogart the hope, bro.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:34 AM
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16. Yikes. I thought they were going to take it off the air.
That show is "The History Channel" for fundamentalist creationists.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:09 AM
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18. maybe no more ‘Yabbadabadoo!’... but caveman patriarchy is becoming a cult
and in favor of a lot of men
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:27 PM
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22. What? What the fuck does the Flintstones have to do with "The Patriarchy"?
Keep it up, you'll end up like the guy who wants to turn every thread into a referendum on smoking bans.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:48 PM
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23. Or the other one who wants to turn every thread into a referendum on guns. -nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:06 PM
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29. The Flintstones could be used as a referendum on creationism.
That might work.
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 05:05 AM
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37. All I know is that The Flintstones Christmas special blew my mind


Right up there with if Goofy is a dog how can he have Pluto as a pet?

Or why is it that Donald Duck doesn't wear pants, but when he gets out of the shower he wraps a towel around his waist?

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 05:56 AM
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38. Pluto is a dog, wheras Goofy is a dawg. That's the explanation.
Don't ask me how I know that.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:44 AM
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41. Single issue activists can not see beyond the tiny, tiny sphere of their pet project
There is no more "big picture" for most Americans. They myopically focus on one thing and pour all their energies into keeping it in the minds of the media and doing what they believe will "move their agenda forward." Single issue people will never be a part of the solution. If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

We need to nurture Americans with the rare ability to think critically, to see many sides of the same issue and therefore come up with a true solution and not merely a band-aid. Americans need to see that the plight of African Americans DOES have an affect on latinos, on women, on the poor (who are mostly white by the way). We need to all be the champion for "the least of us" and not only our own favorite issue, our own interests.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:43 PM
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26. When you see FEAR you know the right wing is here - !!
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:46 PM
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27. The Flintstones would never get aired today.
At least not without revisions.

"We'll have a gay old time." would get them Teletubbied for sure.
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Moonbat2 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:48 AM
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35. An excellent point
and Pebbles and Bam Bam would be doing porn;)
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 03:13 PM
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47. BobTheSubgenius
BobTheSubgenius

Maybe not in US, but im not so sure about the rest of the world... I rembember, for many years ago, some had the opponion that the flintsons was "old fashioned" and wanted to revision it.. They got "shot down" by allmoust everyone who had an oponion about it, and the Flintsons was aired as it was.. Something is not nessesary to change I guess:evilgrin:
:evilgrin:
Diclotican
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:37 AM
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34. That's a pretty good article by Luckas vander Taelen.
It's odd that Americans think that we are the best country in the world simply because we were born here. I love reading what people like Luckas vander Taelen have to say about us because it gives me a different perspective on what people from other countries think about my country.

It isn't often that I sit back and ponder the demise of the Flintstones, but it was nice that show had an impact on Luckas vander Taelen's life.
I remember when Ann Margrock was a guest on that show.
And also when Stony Curtis appeared as a guest.

I have to admit, television used to be a tool that brought us together in the past.
Like when my whole family sat down and watched the funeral procession for JFK.
I was 7 years old then, and I have never forgotten the feelings I had during that week.
My grandparents had driven out here to be with us for Thanksgiving, so there were a lot of us watching it together. That was an extremely sad time for my family.

I miss those days of watching tv with the family.
But, not much.

Growing up watching the Vietnam War on tv was not something I wanted any future generations of American kids to go through.
I guess I didn't realize back then that if the media didn't want to, they would simply stop doing news reports from the "frontlines" of the war in Afghanistan.

Kids that will graduate from high school next spring were only 9 years old when that war started.
When Bush invaded Afghanistan back in 2001.
If I can remember the funeral procession of JFK when I was only 7 years old, I'm sure those kids can remember the start of the Afghanistan war.

So, tell me again, why are we still there?
I just don't get it.
Are we going to sacrifice yet another generation of young men to fighting unnecessary wars in the Middle East?
Haven't we had enough of the Bush bravado of "Bring it on" yet?
Didn't Obama get that memo?

If the Tea Party manages to upset the apple carts of a few caught up in the system that is in Washington today, so be it.
It's called "the American way", that's the peaceful process of "overthrowing our government".
If I really thought any of those assklowns could bring change to Washington, they'd get my vote.
But, as it is, they haven't convinced me yet that they aren't just crazier Republicans.

What Americans really want today is a choice.
We want a choice between the Republicans who have lied to us and the Democrats who have lied to us.
But, when they start telling the same lies, there is no choice.

I'd like to meet Luckas vander Taelen someday.
We probably have more in common than just our memories of the Flintstones.




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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 04:22 AM
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36. well that was a circuitous way to reiterate an oft made criticism.
+1 for mentioning the Flintstones, however overall i'd give this 5.0/10. Needlessly oblique twist on already well-trodden territory.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:57 AM
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43. Well, if you were a white male from 1960 to 1966, then yeah,
times were good. If you were none of the above, not so much.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 09:38 AM
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45. Good article, but I don't agree with everything he says.
The average American thinks that the right to own a weapon is more important than a generalized health policy.

I'll first point out that he seems to be misusing the word "average" when he means "typical", since I don't see how you can calculate a mathematical average of something like this. That said, I don't think it's true that the typical American thinks that gun rights are more important than health care. Certainly a large number do, but I doubt that it's even 50% let alone a majority.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:25 PM
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50. I grew up with the Flintstones.
It was a different time.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:31 PM
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51. That Barney Rubble,what an actor!
:shrug:
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