Gig Ed has words for Jon - on his radio show now

[CatWoman]

www.wegoted.com

He's also disgusted with that "both sides do it" bullshit.

[sabrina 1]

1. What I think Ed, Keith et al should do is to simply provide

some examples of Rightwing (Fox) facts as spouted by Beck, Hannity et al, then challenge Jon to provide similar examples from those on the left that he named.

Lies V Facts is the difference. I'm sorry he failed to understand that.

[Esscena]

2. Go Ed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never miss Ed nor Keith.

[whathehell]

3. Yep....I'm with him on that...false equivalence is so lame...I thought Stewart would be gutsier. n/t

[tishaLA]

4. I was disappointed Rachel backed Stewart last night

Surely she doesn't think Keith, at least, is the same thing as Beck or Hannity.

To use Stewart's driving metaphor, it's impossible to believe we can be in a culture in which "you go....now I go...and now you go" when the other side is driving blind with its foot on the gas pedal.

[mzmolly]

17. I missed it. What did she say?

:shrug:

[tishaLA]

26. "I have two things to say about Jon Stewart's speech...

Number 1: Bravo. And Number 2: Bravo. I'm a small l and capital L liberal and that "you go, I go, you go, I go" principle, I believe it and I am really happy that in my country over 200K people turned out to cheer that. No joke."

[mzmolly]

33. Thanks. I can understand her being supportive of the speech and the premise

of the thought behind it. I enjoyed the rally and the speech as well. But I took issue with comparing Beck to Schultz, of course.

[flamingdem]

34. That's right the other side is bashing your car, Koch will pay the damages, rright nt

[FirstTimeVoterAt37]

5. Ed, Keith, and Rachel get me through the day

Not always without some screaming, but they get me through the day.

[LostInAnomie]

6. Hard to believe that people who have a vested interest in over-hyping the news...

... you yelp when they are hit with the idea that over-hyping the news is destructive.

[KansasVoter]

8. No, comparing Beck to Olberrman is the issue.

[LostInAnomie]

11. That doesn't mean that Olberman and Ed don't knowingly take part in over-hyping...

... or sensationalizing stories. Even if it isn't to the insane lengths that Beck goes to, it is still taking part in the destructive media pattern that cares more about ratings than good reporting and investigation.

[KansasVoter]

39. Wow, are you serious? Ed and Keith actually give a shit about real Americans. No Fox news person do!

[LostInAnomie]

42. Why are you so intent on comparing Keith and Ed to Fox?

That wasn't Jon's point at all. He was saying that hyperbole and sensationalism are corrosive to our national dialogue. Keith and Ed were included in the montage because at times they have been guilty of using hyperbole and sensationalism. Jon wasn't saying, "Oh my God! Keith and Ed use hyperbole so they are the exact same as Beck!!!". He was saying "The use of hyperbole and sensationalism in the 24/7 cable media is destructive to our country and we should stop it."

[gkhouston]

52. +1. If this were about right vs. left, Rachel Maddow would certainly have been

in that montage, yet she wasn't. Why? Despite her firmly held beliefs, she is one of the most even-handed and level-headed voices out there.

[Winterblues]

31. Neither Keith or Ed over hype the NEWS, They give the NEWS as fact

What Jon showed was both of them expressing opinion and they NEVER ONCE conflated it with being NEWS as is done at FOX.

[KansasVoter]

7. Ed is 100% correct. Jon, who I used to love, was a stupid ass Saturday!

[AndrewP]

9. +1

[otohara]

13. Why

what did he do to piss you off?

[KansasVoter]

38. The whole 'both sides are at fault' is a joke. Show me one Dem acting like them!

[name not needed]

64. He called out Schulz and Olbermann for becoming left wing clones of O'Reilly and Hannity.

[mzmolly]

67. Again, Keith and Ed have not inspired deadly

violence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9425496&mesg_id=9425496

[name not needed]

68. They're still part of the problem.

Just because I might agree with what they're saying doesn't negate the fact that what they are doing is detrimental to political discourse in this country.

[mzmolly]

69. Answering blatant liars

is not the problem. The problem, is not answering them. I believe Stewart quoted Edmund Burke yesterday.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

[dave29]

10. Cognitive dissonance

Jon was not making an apples to apples comparison, he was showing angry people screaming at the camera. This is what Jon is complaining about. Stop screaming, start solving. This is how he brought down Tucker Carlson and Crossfire. He's making the exact same point. That Ed, Keith, etc are taking it so personal points to their own egos. Nobody likes to be called out, but what they are not "getting" is that Jon is pointing out specific behavior, not the veracity of their statements.

And I say this as someone who is angry at Jon for his treatment of Obama, especially considering Obama embodies the behavior Jon seems to want from the media.

I guess nobody gets what they want. :)

[tishaLA]

12. I think Olbermann tweeted....if we get more quiet, it won't change Beck

or Hannity or O'Reilly. They'll still be loud and they'll still propagate lies. Being quiet is essentially unilateral disarmament.

[dave29]

14. yes, because screaming back has been a resounding success

you don't "win" by screaming

[whathehell]

61. The Right Wing seems to "win" that way.

[mzmolly]

16. "This is how he brought down Tucker Carlson and Crossfire."

Jon has the ego problem. Does he think he can continue to dictate who gets to be on cable news?

[LostInAnomie]

19. Right. The idea that media personalities should stop sensationalizing stories...

... and calm the hyperbole is so egotistical.

[mzmolly]

21. Yes, we should be calm about war and unemployment and people

without health insurance. MLK should have stopped "sensationalizing" civil rights as well. :sarcasm:

[dave29]

23. you don't have to sensationalize a story to be truthful about it

right?

[mzmolly]

30. War is sensational all on it's own. So is losing a home, health care

your lively-hood. Very different than sensationalizing falsehoods like "Obama is a secret muslim, socialist, anti-christ, tyrant."

[dave29]

37. war is also a playground for propaganda for a lazy media

as we learned in Iraq. Our media sensationalized the idea of weapons of mass destruction to the point of absurdity (Yes, Iraq is going to attack the US and hope it is not wiped off the map??, OK). There are plenty of ways sensationalism can be used to screw up the truth, and get people killed. Did we need a counterbalance, yes, but I do not believe that the counter-argument is just screaming louder than the guy before you. You don't win any hearts or minds that way, you preach to your own choir and piss off any other choirs in the vicinity.

[mzmolly]

41. I wish we had Keith, Grayson, Ed back

then.

[dave29]

62. All we had was Dean and Gore

and the media discredited them non-stop. The reality is, we were all screaming about it... at least those of us who could tell wtf was going on (most of us) but it did not matter. I don't think having a few pundits on our side would have made a difference. The media could not wait to get their correspondents in tanks with troops, because shock and awe is "cool"

[mzmolly]

66. It might have mattered.

eom

[LostInAnomie]

24. Haha... your calling Jon egotistical while comparing Keith and Ed to MLK!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mzmolly]

28. I'm saying that Jon Stewart had a rally suggesting that Ed and Keith

peddle fear. I am also saying that at times it's appropriate to be fearful, and passionate about the issues that face this country.

I'm guessing all three men have an ego to an extent. We all do. But only one has been credited with dictating who gets to appear on cable news. That person, apparently decided that Ed and Keith = Glenn Beck to which I say, Bullshit.

[dave29]

35. Jon is not dictating squat

he is asking that people "settle" down a bit in their discourse. He does not have the power to make them stop, or get them fired. That is the call of their bosses. He does not call, himself, for them to be fired, but to be fair minded and reasonable. Again, nothing horrible about that. And he does this, and has done this, via satire, for years and years. If all these folks lost their job, Jon would not have one. Still, does not stop him from saying his peace, and I respect that, as much as I find him hypocritical for attacking Obama for being fair minded and reasonable and not screaming at the top of his lungs at the Republicans.

That any pundits take such great offense is more about them than Jon. I've watched Jon dissect many a Republican without raising his voice, and both folks leaving with a smile on their face, even though the Republican knew he just got his ass handed to him. Jon knows that the way to win an argument is through persuasion, not screaming.

[mzmolly]

43. Do you really think that people who assert that Obama

is a secret, muslim, nazi, socialist, anti-christ are going to settle down anytime soon? Or, that we on the left shouldn't call them on their lunacy, and instead pretend they have valid points?

As I've said MLK didn't "settle down" and "listen" to the other side. He didn't invite the KKK to a calm discussion. Had he done so, we'd still be "talking" about civil rights and there would be no President Obama.

I agree that Stewart is gifted. He's also a comedian and his job is to keep things a bit light. That said, I ask how many people would tune in to his show if everyone on T.V. were just like him?

[dave29]

63. of course they won't

and that's the point. Nothing Ed, Keith or anyone else has said has stopped it. They have provided some cold comfort to our team, but they have had no impact on the hearts and minds of the idiot brigade.

[mzmolly]

65. They haven't stopped it by they answer it.

And, I for one am glad we finally have someone in the media, doing so.

[LostInAnomie]

36. Keith and Ed were included in a video montage when they were using hyperbole.

They were not the sole targets. Jon was not and has not been credited with dictating who gets to appear on cable news. He was pointing out that non-stop sensationalism and hyperbole from the media is destructive to our country's political discussion.

He did not say Keith = Beck. He was establishing that the 24/7 cable media thrives on outrage for the purpose of ratings and the actual outcome of that outrage is secondary.

[mzmolly]

40. I saw the rally, thanks.

I think it's a nice thought that we can reason with Beck, Limbaugh, Palin and others. When Stewart is able to calm down that crowd, with his calls for reason, I'll support the notion that we on the left should calm down as well.

As for me, I'm glad that we FINALLY have an answer to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, with Ed, Keith, Grayson and others. I'm sorry some find answering the R/W, destructive.

[dave29]

20. he did not intend to bring it down... he just did

by speaking truth to the cacophony. I think it's fair to say it had nothing to do with Jon's ego.

[mzmolly]

22. Yes but he understands his track record and he apparently decided

that Ed Schults and Keith Olbermann deserve to be "brought down"?

[dave29]

25. umm, no, they were included in a video montage

brought down were my words re: Crossfire. Again, not his intention, just like the Rick Sanchez thing. Some folks have truly thin skin. If'n your gonna scream at the camera, I suggest thicker skin.

[AspenRose]

44. Exactly!

"Jon is pointing out specific behavior, not the veracity of their statements." Precisely.

And as for the "we need to scream to be heard because they're screaming" - Rachel Maddow was not included in that video montage for a reason.

Because she can get the point across effectively *without screaming.*

I've seen people here mention before that Ed is not their cup of tea because he reminds them too much of Rush Limbaugh. Does that mean those people think he's the same as Rush? Of course not. His delivery and style, however, reminds these folks of Rush. They aren't against what he's saying, but how he says it. And so they turn the dial to Thom Hartmann, or Mike Malloy, or whoever.

I do think that Jon's "you go, then I go" example is a bit too idealistic for the current political climate, but I can respect it because it's high-minded. But it's still unrealistic.

I can't believe DUers are getting all worked up, being obnoxious and calling each other names because they disagree with Keith and Ed's delivery style. Nowhere did these people say they disagreed with the content, or that they were huge fans of Jon to the exclusion of Keith and/or Ed. I don't think that's what Jon was getting at, either.

If you love Ed or Keith, fine. If you don't, that's okay too. You can love Jon in addition to Ed and/or Keith. Different strokes for different folks. We're all on the same team here.

[mzmolly]

47. I think it's a lovely idea. But some aren't interested in solving

problems. They're interested in defeating Democrats, at any cost. There is no way to rationalize with them.

[pacalo]

49. Fixed News is well known for its lies & propaganda. It's got a bad reputation.

Neither Keith or Ed lie. They don't have to -- the thugs' dishonesty & outrageous behavior write the news for them. And since Keith & Ed are among the few who actually report what's really going on (ahem...the Fourth Estate has left the building), I can't blame them for one second for being occasionally outraged. I've seen Rachael flabbergasted a few times, too. Because the thugs are that outrageous!

I love Jon for all the extraordinary work he's done since we entered the Twilight Zone & for the brilliant, successful rally he organized, but he made a mistake when he lumped in two earnest newsmen -- without whom we would have had nowhere to turn for hope -- with a "news network" that has to lie to its viewers because they can't seem to knock down the Democrats with the truth.

Further, Keith prides himself with his integrity. Do you watch his show at all? He gave a graduation commencement at Cornell, his alma mater, years ago in which he talked about the direction he saw the news going. He was one news person who refused to toe the corporate line & do what all the other news was doing at the time: shallow, nonstop coverage of President Clinton. Keith has done touching stories about his mother & father, weaving their health problems into the reasons a national health care system is so vital.

I love Jon Stewart for the magnificent work he's done, but I think he needs to right the wrong he's done to both Keith & Ed. These two guys do not lie or spread propaganda to their viewers.

[AspenRose]

51. He never said they did (lie or spread false information).

I was there. He said no such thing.

[pacalo]

57. His montage suggested they were equal. I never claimed it was spoken outright.

[whathehell]

56. "I guess nobody gets what they want".....

Except Jon Stewart, I guess.:eyes:


The man is all but "teflon" here.

[dgibby]

15. I think you mean Big Ed,

not Gig Ed. Not to late to edit.:hi:

I don't blame Ed and Keith. I'd be upset to be compared to those loons on the right, too.

[CatWoman]

45. LOL

I had to make a run and just got back.

Sorry; too late to edit now :(

[mzmolly]

18. Great show! K and R.

direct link >>>>>>>>>> http://www.wegoted.com/members/ed-audio-mac.asp

[G_j]

27. on one hand we have the desire for universal HC, the other thinks Obama

wasn't born in the US, and might be the anti-Christ.
:shrug:
there is zero comparison

[MissMarple]

29. Left wing talk is mostly accurate, it also keeps our base engaged.

The primary purpose on the right to obfuscate and maintain fear levels with propaganda, as we know. The left wing counters that but only people on the left believe them, consequently they tend to cater to the left. So, we remain divided. I think breaking through the noise machine that shields the righties from reality will take a true calamity. I wonder how long the Nazi fear machine would have remained viable if they had won. Perhaps that would have been a moot point, which is what I'm guessing the corportists are counting on. Me, I still have faith in the overall decency of the American people. We will prevail, but it may not be easy or pretty. We have done this before. The government actually backed the factory and mine owners when workers first tried to unionize. Haymarket is a case in point. We have moved past that, sadly, too many of us have forgotten.

Civics and history...we have to find better ways to teach them. Without them the sciences become the tools of the corporations.
Damn, I'm moderate. How far we have fallen for me to say that.

[Poboy]

32. Ed is a champion for workers. Thank you Ed. -nt

[mzmolly]

46. To the caller "Kevin" whose on Ed's show now.

:yourock:

[mzmolly]

48. "He could have told the truth..." ~ Laurel

"Now we're all nuts too."

:toast: to you!

[and-justice-for-all]

50. Keith and Rachel need not be invoked into this...

they are on our side, so let us not forget that.

[LawnLover]

53. Both sides DO do it

Maybe not to the same degree, but both sides are guilty of over the top bullshit. The only difference is that our side gets it right.

[seabeyond]

54. having a network of propaganda and rw talk show is a HUGE difference from "both" sides

though i have heard KO not tell all the story to lean story (which i did NOT like being informed and knowing he did this) is a big difference from what fox and rw mouths do. and the same in the political realm. though i hear what stewart is saying, he has his own contradiction. in interview with obama he called obama out for doing exactly what he demanded politicians do at the rally, yet in the interview did exactly what he criticizes.

but the over all message of the rally, and the rally itself was good.

but there is no way be can compare "both sides".

[krawhitham]

55. Both sides do it, Faux gets more press when it does it

[whathehell]

58. Yup...and that might be because?

Fox has been on about FIFTEEN years longer than any equivalently "left" network or show and because a pro-corporate right wing message dovetails better with M$M corporate goals?...That alone argues against some bullshit stance of "equivalence" by Stewart or anyone else.

[spanone]

59. hey ed, let's discuss this after the election. we have work to do.

[Odin2005]

60. Sorry Ed, you missed the point.