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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:16 PM
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Commanders getting fired, Carriers in the Gulf, does something stink?
Edited on Thu May-24-07 05:05 PM by FogerRox
Many of us have read about 2 US carriers entering the Persian Gulf 2 days ago for "excercises". I noted 2 DU posts in the last 24 hours. Here & here. Last October I posted a dairy that was meant to dispell some of the hype about US carrier groups, what they can do, can't do. I also wrote about some of the missiles owned by certain Mid East countries like http://rdanafox.blogspot.com/2007/01/modern-iranian-sam-missiles-can-they.html">Iran & Saudi Arabia. In a nutshell having 2 US carriers in the Persian Gulf just puts these ships in a duck pond. Iran could roll rocks of the cliffs along the coast of the Gulf and hit something. I have for a while had faith that no US CO would endanger their ships by doing something stupid while in the Gulf. In my mind an attack on Iran would put our carriers safely in the Arabian Sea.





One of the most effective bunker busters we have is the GBU-28, at 4400 pounds it maybe only land based bombers can even carry it. If so, there is no real reason for a carrier group to get close enough to Iran.



Another avenue to deliver bunker busters are a fleet of LA class attack subs which carry 12 vertical Tomahawk criuse missile launchers, coincidently the LA class subs can be equipped with the recently developed Tomahawk penetrator variant. I still believe that no US CO would endanger their ships by doing something stupid while in the Gulf. Except today something struck my eye, something made my stomach queasy. Donsu posted this in GD today: 6 Navy Commanders Sacked in 6 Weeks.

For the sixth time in as many weeks, the lead officer of a Navy ship has been suddenly relieved of command, DANGER ROOM pal Andy Scutro reports for Navy Times.


Oh gee, WTF are Bush and Cheney up to now? >sigh< SO lets have a look at these 6 officers:

1) April 16th Navy sacks EA-6B aircraft squadron CO.

The U.S. Navy said Monday it had relieved a top officer aboard the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower who is under an internal investigation on unspecified charges.


2) May 9th Navy sacks Destroyer CO, on the way to the Persian Gulf.

The captain of the destroyer now in the U.S. Central Command theater of operations has been relieved of command, the Navy announced Tuesday.


3) This is the strangest one of the bunch, May 11th Navy sacks CO of 210 yr old "Old Ironsides".


The commander of the famed USS Constitution was fired from his post yesterday, two months before his two-year term expired, because the Navy lost confidence in his ability to command the 210-year-old ship, officials said.


4) May 17th Navy sacks sub CO.

SAN DIEGO — The skipper of the fast-attack submarine Helena was fired from command Wednesday for “loss of confidence,” a Navy spokeswoman said.



5) May 18th Navy sacks guided missile frigate CO.

The guided missile frigate Samuel B. Roberts had to be assisted to port after having "engineering difficulties" during the UNITAS Atlantic exercise on May 11.


6) A 6th CO was sacked but that was Coast Guard.

The Coast Guard reassignment is more straightforward, however. Cmdr. Michael Sabellico, skipper of the 270-foot medium-endurance cutter Escanaba, was arrested in Key West on May 15 after an apparent bar brawl.


Capt. Scott Stearney was sacked on April 16th, but today (May 24th) he is quoted upon his return to Norfolk Virginia with no mention of the incident.

Capt. Scott Stearney, commander of Carrier Air Wing Seven, said Virginia Beach-based F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets assigned to the Eisenhower strafed and bombed targets attacking coalition troops in both nations.

Those aviators, as well as crew members of electronic jamming and surveillance planes and helicopters, often spent 12 to 14 hours a day in the air, much of it over combat zones, Stearney said. Of the 12,000 sorties flown by the wing's 61 aircraft, more than a third were combat flights.

"We supported the soldier on the ground," Stearney said. "They were being engaged in dire situations."


Capt. Scott Stearney flies the EA-6B aircraft, but is quoted about the F-18 Hornet pilots. Someone is ignoring getting fired, thats for sure. That second guy on my list, was CO of the Destroyer Higgins, which is now in the Persian Gulf. Heres a full accounting of what we have in the gulf:

other ships which made the transit include the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG 54) and the guided-missile destroyer USS O’Kane (DDG 77), guided-missile cruiser USS Princeton (CG 59) and guided-missile destroyer USS Higgins (DDG 76), amphibious transport dock ship USS Denver (LPD 9), amphibious dock landing ship USS Rushmore (LPD 47) and fast-attack submarine USS Scranton (SSN 756). Embarked aboard BHR is Amphibious Squadron 7. Also embarked aboard BHR, Denver and Rushmore are units from Beach Master Unit 1, Assault Craft Units 1 and 5, Tactical Air Control Squadron 12, Naval Beach Group 1, and Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 23. The 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) makes up the Marine force embarked with the ESG. Units of the 13th MEU include Combat Logistics Battalion 13; Battalion Landing Team, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment; and Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 163 - Reinforced.


I really don't see a strong enough pattern here, only 2 of the sackings had any connection with the Mid East. But it is weird, very friggin weird.

Vigilance.

ON EDIT: I think Bush is picking up where he left after Tony BLair told him to fuck off when the UK had 15 sailors held by Iran. Bush offered to fly fighters thru the edges of Iranian airspace to pressure Iran, Blair said no fucking way, in fact it appears Blair told Bush to get his damn carriers out of the area completely.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:18 PM
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1. What about the other posts today about low flying military aircraft over
various US cities? Training for bombing runs, maybe?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:19 PM
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2. Tell me more, much more, please
Edited on Thu May-24-07 04:21 PM by FogerRox
I completely missed that, and I did see an F-18 over NJ about 2pm this afternoon. Thought it was unusual, I'm 15 miles west if NYC.
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:48 PM
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42. It's Fleet Week....
There are a number of warships and aircraft in the area this week and for the Memorial Day weekend.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:23 PM
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4. Do you have a link for that?
I live just a handful of miles from Whiteman AFB and we've had no activity whatsoever today. It's been too quiet.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:30 PM
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9. Here you go (I hope)
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:47 PM
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17. Thanks, gotta cjheck that out, like I posted before
I saw an F-18 today and thought it was out of place.... ya know... ? It was low altitude, I havent seen a jet fighter that low since 9-11.....

>cough<
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:33 PM
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Thanks.
Like I said-I live next to a busy air force base. If they are out flying about I would have heard them by now and it's been almost still. We're the home of the 509th Bomber Wing, where the B-2 bomber is located. We're also the 442nd Fighter Wing.

Usually if the shit is hitting the fan I can tell before most. We usually get extremely active a few days before. Plus, I know something about someone I cannot talk about but if we were doing something right now he'd already be gone.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:05 PM
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38. Plus, subs are hard to track
The Navy doesn't post sub deployments on the net, but I think we'd possibly catch wind of subs going out, LA class mostly, though IIRc 4 Ohio class "Boomers" are converted to carry Tomahawks too. AFAICT Most of the conventional bunker busters are not delivered by carrier planes. So I see land based aircraft and subs being key to an attack on Iran.

Say hi for me....
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:49 PM
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43. Exactly.
Land-based and subs would be the key for attack.

There's been a decrease in activity w/ flights-the house isn't shaking as much. (lol but so true!) And I can't think of a single shake today, meaning pretty much no one is up and at'em. (unless they never came back... but I don't think so. I've noticed enough camo in the community today.)

And I'm sure they'd love to say hi back.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:20 PM
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3. New Pearl Harbor. Justification to launch, No one to blame for failure.
Edited on Thu May-24-07 04:24 PM by shain from kane
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:25 PM
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5. Not for nutin, but I just spent a couple a hours puttin this together
SO your Pearl Harbor comment kinda makes me want to reach out and touch someone. With a sledgehammer. I would ask that you redeem yourself and edit in some context, put some damn effort into your commentary...... please.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:56 PM
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23. Who gets blamed for allowing a New Pearl Harbor to happen? These officers and their

actions or inactions were investigated numerous times, even during the war. If you have some new people involved in the current crisis, how can they be blamed, and the military itself be blamed, if something happens? After all, there is a learning curve, you can't expect someone new to the job to anticipate planes being used as weapons.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband_E._Kimmel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Short

As far as the New Pearl Harbor reference is concerned, it is PNAC's terminology, Remember the Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, World Trade Center, the incident to be used to launch a war, for instance, with Iran.

With all the ships, airplanes, tankers, oil facilities, etc., it's becoming a little crowded in the Persian Gulf. Sort of like numerous ships being stationed in the bottleneck of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

A New Pearl Harbor is looming, an incident will happen to start the shooting match, and no military personnel will be blamed. The blame will go to those demonized Islamo-Fascists, and the war will be justified.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:55 PM
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36. Excellent comment, thank you.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:28 PM
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6. Hard to know if this matters unless we have other military officer replacement figures to compare it
I have no idea if this is normal or not. But we have officers leaving as fast as their little legs will carry them, so the likelihood is that we are stressed for experienced officers...so we're dumping them?

Okay, I'm going with odd.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:33 PM
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10. Um, yeah, I've spent time googling Navy ships
But today this topic showed up, ancilliary issues like this don't just pop up thru a google search, not usually.. ya know, if this sort of firing was common I should have seen it in previous googling, but I haven't, its just friggin weird.

Vigilance.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:29 PM
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7. Bush has 606 days to make a splash. I am sure he will.
This guy feeds his ego with our tax money and army and any thing else he can get his hands on. I am sure we will see some bad things coming down before we get this screw ball out of the WH. The money should be cut off.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:29 PM
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8. You realize that two carrier groups have been in the region since February?
Edited on Thu May-24-07 04:54 PM by onenote
The Stennis and Eisenhower were deployed to the region in February. The Eisenhower recently left and the Nimitz took its place.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:45 PM
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16. >Sigh<, I'm sure you'll want to edit that comment
Edited on Thu May-24-07 04:45 PM by FogerRox
The Nimitz was off the coast of Somalia, while the Stennis was in the Indian Ocean, after being in the Persian Gulf from March 27th to April 4th. Prior to that, the Stennis had not been in the Persian Gulf during this deployment.

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html

Carriers don't spend a lot of time in the Gulf, its a stupid/small place for a carrier. I'm sure you mis-spoke, and didn't really mean the "Gulf".
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:56 PM
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24. stand corrected. The Stennis arrived in the area of operations in February
Yes, its a big area of operations that includes the Arabian Gulf, Arabian Sea, Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman and parts of the Indian Ocean.

http://www.cusnc.navy.mil/articles/2007/030.html
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:36 PM
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11. Very "Seven Days in May..."
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:38 PM
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13. Except for the military hating Georgie's guts.
Which is, as ever, the big juicy fly in his empire ointment.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:41 PM
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15. Some of the military, I grant you. But not nearly enough. Not yet.
in other words, someone was willing to do his bidding to "relieve" those commanders...
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:38 PM
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12. The goal is to goad Iran to strike first.
and the sacklings are likely being replaced with those more amiable to blowing the ever loving fuck out of the entire middle east.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:40 PM
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14. The simple explanation is worrisome enough
Tightening the leadership ranks is one sign of securing the hatches and getting ready for wartime. others signs would be more ships on exercise, leaves canceled, Naval personnel pulled out of shore duty, officer changes and reassignments(but not too chaotic if the time is nearing). The care and suddenness of moves tells of a posture, a plan and steps, much larger and more automatic than individual mysteries.

We need more info on this. If admirals were to react in the way the generals have done we would see resignations there, but the Navy and how the Bushistas interact with it is very different. Actions are swift and then over, unlike the quagmire among the foot-soldiers. Most are not in the drastic complaining stage except for the terrible attrition to abused airplanes policing Iraq.

This Iran thing is still on. The schedule would seem to be anytime now until the fall and that mystical faux date Bush can't begin to justify for resolving Iraq. Provocations, covert ops, verbal attacks- all the desultory reruns of the lead up to full scale war. The naval at sea buildup has been in progress for some time now. The clear long range planned intent is to use it.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:51 PM
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19. Excellent comment, thanks.
I would just note that we had 3 carriers in the region, and now we are down to 2.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:20 PM
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40. According to Cheney's "shadow gov't" people, they're waiting on Israel to get into it
with Iran. Israel is looking for some excuse to hit Iran...maybe retaliation for hitting themselves & blaming it on Iran, but Israel has to find the right time to start the altercation so we can swoop in for the rescue.

:kick:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:49 PM
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18. Congradulations!!! This is the 1 billionth DU "about to attack Iran" thread
:toast:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:53 PM
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20. I suggest you re-read it, carefully this time
I clearly make the case we wont attack while carriers are in the Persian Gulf. I state it twice, you must have overlooked it twice.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:55 PM
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22. sorry, I kneejerked
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:10 PM
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29. No problem. Hint: When you see one of my
posts that look like a spent some time at it. The dirt is in the details, check out my journal for some whoppers. Then my blog is loaded with crap, some of it quite in depth. http://rdanafox.blogspot.com

But do you think I did a good job of formatting, I mean look at all the quotes and links and all that cool stuff.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:58 PM
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26. probably my posts were just too much for him
to be objective
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:59 PM
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27. yes, thats it
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:13 PM
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30. An honorable person stepping up to shoulder the blame
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:39 PM
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33. Humble works and mad wanderings
:hi:

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:45 PM
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34. It’s the same kind of story
That seems to come down from long ago
Two friends having coffee together
When something flies by their window
It might be out on that lawn
Which is wide, at least half of a playing field
Because there’s no explaining what your imagination
Can make you see and feel

Seems like a dream
(they) got me hypnotized

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGViCpJnIN8
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:04 PM
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37. but it's a mystery to me
Edited on Thu May-24-07 06:07 PM by seemslikeadream
:hug: vous êtes trop doux mon ami
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:10 PM
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39. Whoa, looks like you got the right era in that pic
No Peter Green and no Stevie Nicks, very nice. Have you seen the old Peter green era videos on You tube? Very cool stuff.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:07 PM
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44. with a name like this
what would you expect?

Now don't get me started, looking for Green and found this, well found more but.... LUV Mayall, have you got Peter's links?


I'll be back there 'fore long, sweet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdymlS0QEco

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:47 PM
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47. Albatross
Edited on Thu May-24-07 08:00 PM by FogerRox
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:32 PM
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49. Help me take my blues away! BRING IT TO ME
trop doux!

vous remercier si beaucoup, mon ami





I cant help about the shape Im in
I cant sing, I aint pretty and my legs are thin
But dont ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

Oh well

Now, when I talked to God I knew hed understand
He said, stick by my side and Ill be your guiding hand
But dont ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

Oh well
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:54 PM
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21. Thanks FogerRox
I've been crazy all day :banghead:


6 Navy Commanders Sacked in 6 Weeks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x958801

Is the impending attack on Iran the explanation for the Dems' cave?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x958882

Massive covert operation to ignite a religious war in the Middle East
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x957431

THE MADNESS OF GEORGE W. BUSH:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x958641

NINE WARSHIPS CARRYING 17,000 PERSONNEL HAVE ENTERED THE GULF
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=949751&mesg_id=949751

Looking for links to news stories about Afganistan, Bin Laden, Taliban, pre 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=949535&mesg_id=949535
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:57 PM
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25. Yes.
Edited on Thu May-24-07 04:57 PM by mmonk
Do we really need all this for Iraq?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:00 PM
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28. Did our Dems make a Deal about Iran Invasions? Was it a "Done Deal" by Bush
and that's why they are "caving" to him? Was the case he made SO GOOD that they backed down? The Media Empire is hurting...ad revenue is really down because of their crappola infotainment. Don't they all NEED A NEW WAR to HYPE...DON'T they need the INFOTAINMENT to be a RELIEF to the IDIOT VIEWERS who will "Tune In" for relief from Outrageous Gas Prices, Environmental Collapse and Problems with their Kids because WHAT KID COULD DEAL WITH THIS SHIT THAT BUSH HAS MADE OF AMERICA!!!!!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:28 PM
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31. Peeee Yewwwww on the corrupt republicon cronies
They are up to something SUPREMELY STINKY here, I suspect.

Why do republicons HATE America?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 05:51 PM
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35. Dats right.....
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 06:24 PM
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41. looks like MIHOP to me. K&R, n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:20 PM
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45. see even Olbermann
is talking about it!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:34 PM
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46. Reeks.
Which is saying a lot considering the 7 year stench we've been living in.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:39 AM
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55. Yes, there is a different smell to this "crap"
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:27 PM
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48. Which explains why B* dropped that fascist power grab executive order last week.
Edited on Thu May-24-07 08:42 PM by jazzjunkysue
It all makes perfect sense.

If we're attacked, he becomes the dictator, and the GOP is his again.

And all this firepower will set of Almadinajon, or whatever the moron's name is.

And the regular admirals and captains would never allow this unorthadox misuse of their fleet. But the new appointees will do whatever they're told.

OK> I'll go get the link.

Got it. ("I'm the decider, blah blah blah...")

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive



White House News


NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

Purpose

(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Definitions

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:50 PM
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50. Thats right, I'm the decider
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:13 PM
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51. K&R! n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:19 AM
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52. K*R


There's too many firings for there not to be some pattern there. One explanation could be the overwhelming stress level senior commanders experience. It has to be something really huge, though,
because these captains, commanders thrive under stess.

Keep it up, get the damn story already. It's important and you've got me hooked.


Mike
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:34 AM
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53. Oil Companies Can't Wait For Bush To Bomb Iran
as soon as it happens, look for gas to go up very quickly to around 7 to 9 dollars per gallon as oil companies have predicted. Who will stop them? Nobody. CNN said the people at the gas pumps did not know why gas prices are so high, I call the bullcrap! I am tired of the corporate news networks! GREED!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:27 AM
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57. $100 to $150 per brl... yup
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:59 AM
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54. As pointed out by others this is a dangerous provocation
and not at all safe for the US carriers...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:10 AM
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56.  trigger a sufficient Iranian counter-strike against US forces in the Gulf
Edited on Fri May-25-07 11:11 AM by seemslikeadream
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