I Am Getting Worried About Iran - Talk is Really Ratcheting Up

[leftyladyfrommo]

What is going on? Just in the last few days there has been a huge uptick in stuff about Iran. This is really scary stuff.

And we just happen to have a bunch of maniacs in charge here. Really, really bad timing.

I wonder what would happen if we actually attacked Iranian soil? Would Israel be the first target? Or would we simply be attacked in Iraq?

This new, super rhetoric has me worried - for the first time. I just never in my wildest dreams thought that Bush would attack Iran. We don't even have the equipment for our troops in Iraq. We don't the forces.

And we certainly don't have the right to attack another Mid Eastern Country who has not attacked us or its neighbors.

Man, I hope I am wrong about this one.

[bryant69]

1. I don't know - i mean it's 100% clear in my mind that they want to attack

Hell some of Bush's supporters are clearly upset that we haven't attacked already.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[niceypoo]

2. Every claim they made or make about Iraq turned out to be false

I am amazed that their crap is even given airtime.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. as will every claim they will make about Iran.

as you already know.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. unfortunately,

this is but a taste of things to come.
Wait 'til Rice, Darth, Snowflake, Bush and others start their fool court press, blaming every single death in Iraq on Iran. Even though the Saudis are most ikely the most cuplable

[hamerfan]

5. Mess with Iran,

and you'll have Syria and China coming at you from different, but equally deadly, fronts. Bad news any way ou cut it. Try sincere diplomacy, without the sneers and goofball name-calling. Amazing what you can accomplish when you treat opponents as equals....
dumpbush

[justiceischeap]

11. China's best weapon against the United States

Is calling in the markers for the loans they've given us. They wouldn't need to spend a single bullet to bring the US down.

[w8liftinglady]

6. I share your concern.The motivation may be multi-factorial

the oil
the power
a smokescreen against increasing complicity in crimes against the nation.
They have proven they have no regard for anything other than their own interests.
Impeachment is the only recourse.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. I don't think impeachment will happen. But I do think Bush may be

forced to resign. If it becomes so apparent that he is nuts and that everyone just wants him gone it could happen.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. it won't change the policy. because Bush is not making it.

the people behind him, Cheney et al, are the ones in charge, and having a raving lunatic drive a tractor towards the press corpse is just the kind of thing that Douglas Adams suggested in hitchhikers. have a crazy enough person as president, and he will confuse everyone and allow those truly seeking this Iran invasion hidden under cover.

[leftyladyfrommo]

7. This talk sounds exactly like the talk before they invaded Iraq.

Bush was building up forces in the Middle East. And all the while denying that he was going to attack.

And the media blitz was going crazy - all the reasons for war. All false.

And we have absolutely no way to know if any of this hyped up rhetoric is even true - or whether they are just making it all up again.

One thing we have going for us this time is that no one believes these guys any more. And I think most people think they are more than half crazy. And I don't believe there is any support for starting another way - none.

This is all just so completely nuts. It is absolutely unbelievable. A bunch of total wackos making these decisions.

I saw a Bush interview on ABC News a couple of nites ago. He wasn't even making sense. Really. He sounded like he absolutely didn't have a clue about anything. Actually, he sounded stoned on something.

[zanne]

10. Exactly.

I'm not so sure that "no one believes these guys anymore". With the help of the media, I think Bush and his cronies can ratchet up the old patriotism machine again and spit out alot of timid Democrats who won't want to be seen as unpatriotic. I'd love to see a roster of congressional Democrats who approve/disapprove of invading Iran. Congress scares me more than anything.

[bdamomma]

24. the man is not well, we need to call our Senators to invoke

the 25th Amendment or is Fitz, going to come up with some damaging information on Cheney and Bush. God, we got to stop this.

[mmonk]

9. Dave Lindorf on the subject

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/
We are, it appears, about to witness the American equivalent of Hitler’s suicide orders to the German people as he scurried to his bunker in Berlin.
-snip-

If Senators and Representatives pass a resolution barring the use of any military forces against Iran, or the expenditure of any funds for war against Iran, Bush will not be able to push the country over the precipice. American military leaders would have reason to ignore any orders that would put them in violation of the law of the land.

-snip-

This would be a historic moment—a reassertion by Congress of its Constitutional primacy in matters of war and peace.


-snip-

[bdamomma]

25. does the military really want to follow bush's sick orders and

kill millions of innocent people.

[mmonk]

27. I don't know if wanting is the right description.

They are trained to follow orders from the CIC.

[FormerDittoHead]

12. It's a matter of military timing and money...

You should understand that talk is a TOOL for these guys (ie: THE MILITARY)

THIS (through March) is THE time of the YEAR to attack in that part of the world. It's got something to do with the weather, the lunar cycle, sun spots, for crying out loud, etc. I recall we attacked Iraq on almost the last possible day of this 'window'.

If we don't attack in the next 2 months, it would become to our tactical disadvantage, and it would make us sit out there in the aircraft carriers and the supporting ships for a whole year.

Remember when Bush did his 'mission accomplished' stunt and wanted only to turn the ship in the other direction so as not to show land in the background? I remember hearing that simple maneuver cost over $100,000 in added fuel, etc.

So there they are, looking at the alternatives: 1) provoke an engagement NOW, and save hundreds of millions if not billions or 2) sit on your ass for 8-10 months leaving the carriers tied up there when other things may be going on 6 months from now...

[seemslikeadream]

13. I've been exttemely worried about this for months

their kingdom is crumbling and they've nothing left to loose. The techtonic plates are shifting

Are Josh Marshall's TECHTONIC PLATES finally starting to move?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4002813

[toddaa]

14. Replacing the 'Q's with 'N's

The Bush administration believes in recycling.

[waiting for hope]

15. Keith Olbermann had

a chilling comparison of Bush Speak last night - from 2002 Iraq justification to his latest comments about Iran. He basically is using the same language to describe the situation in Iran that he used for Iraq. It's scary as hell - I'm firmly for impeachment and it needs to happen soon. I've been looking for the video of that section from Countdown, haven't found it but when I do, I'll repost it to this thread.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. that was a great segment. Pity he is right.

and history will repeat itself.

[leftyladyfrommo]

18. Josh Marshall said that Bush is like a Death Row Prisoner

planning a one in a thousand chance to break free.

Well, that certainly sucks as a foreign policy.

[waiting for hope]

28. Here's the link to the video....

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=955a4668-d3dd-428a-86e4-2551fb44ce1a&p=News_Comment%20-%20Analysis&t=c1149&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/&fg=

[Lerkfish]

19. unfortunately, you AREN"T wrong.

those of us who have been trying to warn everyone about this for the past year, and accused of being tin foil hatters, will be proven correct, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

No one wants this, except the neocons.

[freedom_please]

20. Iran War Mongering... Here's The Deal:

Here's why you're hearing more about Iran:
http://snipurl.com/Iran_War_Soon

[no_hypocrisy]

21. Why does all this remind me of the plot of Stephen King's "Carrie"

where the two kids could have been stopped, but weren't. They manage to successfully pour buckets of pig's blood on Carrie and her date -- and all hell breaks loose as a result.

This is not funny. This is real. This about the way things are going to be until the day most of us die (and who knows how much sooner that is going to be).

[Jacobin]

22. Late February or early March

is what the scuttlebutt is. Whether its an Israeli airstrike, supported by the U.S., or some 'provocation' by Iran 'justifying' retaliation, or whatever it might be, keeping 3 carrier groups in the gulf can't be done forever when bush has such an itchy trigger finger

[bdamomma]

23. I don't know but if we just stand by and let this madman attack

another country, should we start calling our Senators and Reps to put forth an impeachment or for this man to resign or are we going to stand by and watch this man kill people in our name. Geez I'm upset. Just my rant.

[leftyladyfrommo]

26. I think we can sure let Congress know how we feel about a strike

against Iran. Massive mail to them might do the trick.