i am listening to Hillary on C-Span right now

[jillan]

they are re-airing that dinner in NH.

I am finding myself liking her. She is saying what Biden said about the way we leave Iraq.
She is really hot on healthcare. geez!

I wish I knew for sure if Obama would pick Biden for VP, cause if he did - I would work my ass off for Obama.

This is really tough. I feel like I am being forced to settle for second best.

[monmouth]

1. That's just how I feel, and I do notice that the Obama and Edwards

supporters are really vile. No wonder we got so many sympathy/condolence posts. We were choirboys/girls compared to that nasty group...Geez. If Joe is on the ballot I'm going to vote for him or do a write-in. I can't vote for any of them.

[jillan]

2. I am still going to write Biden's name in on my ballot no matter what.

But I am going to start listening to the other candidates, and try and find my second best.

I have major, major, major issues with Hillary. But she is making sense today. She is saying alot of the same things as Biden - about Iraq, and about the environment. She used the words "Apollo Plan" when talking about her plan for the environment.
Plus she has done alot of great things for people like me - an in-home caregiver. That's a huge plus.

I think I am getting to stage #5.

[monmouth]

3. Well I have always admired your "think strategy" pirhana, so I

will check her out also. It's the Bill thing and the Bush, Clinton, Bush Clinton thing that bothers me the most....

[jillan]

4. It's her vote for Kyl/Lieberman that bothers the crap out of me.

Plus the dynasty thing. And how she is the #1 corporate funded candidate in both parties.

Geez- they talked about Biden being Mr. MBNA? Ha - look at this

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F03

play around with that site for awhile - she is unreal!


No one compares to Biden - dammit. :cry:

But I am listening.

[1corona4u]

5. In my mind,

the best thing about Hillary is, Bill. At least he didn't go around pissing the world off. He's pretty level headed in that regard.

[gateley]

7. I never liked Bill, but you have a point about him not pissing off the world.

I remember reading a long time ago, though, that he had plans to do more in Afghanistan but decided against it because it was in the midst of his Monica brouhaha and he didn't want additional criticism while he was fighting to remain in office.

So that purely political move on his part made me dislike him even more.

Joe would have done it, regardless.

Joe is an exception to the rule.

[elleng]

11. Remember

Wag the Dog? Allegedly scared of being so accused. Disagreements in WH about what to do, when. Richard Clarke wrote about it.

[gateley]

12. I remember there was a movie, but I wasn't aware there was a book???

And it was specifically about this issue?

[elleng]

14. Sorry for confusion.

Book by Richard Clarke discussed difficulties Clinton had in moving after ubl, and then bush too. Some thought clinton was slowed because of lewinsky b.s.

Some saw parallels with movie.

[gateley]

6. Regardless of what any of them are "saying",

I don't believe them like I believe Joe. They are all talking "campaign-speak". What they say means nothing to me -- they're just telling us what we want to hear - not what we need to know :-)

[jillan]

8. gateley -

make sure you watch that video that Shari posted in her media post, and I also started a seperate thread on it.

You and tsegat have got to see it.

[gateley]

9. Okay -- I'll do it now. Will it piss me off? I'm trying to be emotion-free for

a few days :7

[jillan]

10. Yes - it will make your blood boil.

If you don't watch it today, promise me you will watch it when you are ready.
(It's about the MSM)

[gateley]

13. That was EXCELLENT! Has it been posted on DU? nt