Question for people who believe that, overall, Che Guevara helped the people of Cuba...

[Boojatta]

For how long would a given group of workers have to be working in Saudi Arabia before it would be justifiable for them to attempt a revolution or coup designed to achieve the following two goals?

1. to become officially citizens of Saudi Arabia

2. to expropriate workplaces from the current owners

Regarding the title of this thread, please note that there are at least three alternatives to Che Guevara having helped the people of Cuba:

1. Overall, Che Guevara neither helped nor harmed the people of Cuba.
2. Overall, Che Guevara harmed the people of Cuba.
3. Che Guevara both helped and harmed the people of Cuba, and the help and harm are incomparable.

[Political Heretic]

1. Here's something embarassing:

I am so extremely backward when it comes to knowledge of and history on Che Guevara. How sad is that? :(

But, my philosophy background whispers in my ear that #3 is the more reasonable, more likely choice less subject to personal bias.

But I know nothing... probably shouldn't have posted lol.

[Boojatta]

4. "probably shouldn't have posted"

The reference to Che Guevara is associated with a procedural question: who will participate in this thread. It plays no role in the substantive question in the Original Post. Obviously I have no way to enforce my intentions regarding who will participate in this thread. People who confine their participation to requesting or supplying clarification or background information would probably be doing the right thing by participating regardless of whether or not, according to the title of this thread, the substantive question is for them.

[C......N......C]

2. They call it political science. But really it is art. Any comments only

represent the politics of the people looking at it. Ask Cheney what he thinks, if he will even lower himself to talk.

[C......N......C]

3. For instance I would think that there is a common goal that DU works toward,

but ask individuals how others help, support or detract from the process.

[ThomWV]

5. I suspect that the weed is a lot better where you are then it is here

And overall it would be near impossible to argue that Cuba is better off now for the efforts of Che Guevara - if not impossible then at least preposterous. Baptista (sp?) could not have continued long and Cuba was a 'more modern' country under his rule than it is today in many ways. So that leaves out your 1st option and lands right on the 2nd.

Your 3rd option is truly a masterpiece and does honor to good weed everywhere.

[Boojatta]

6. "it would be near impossible to argue that..."

Can you conclude that no members of DU believe it? I merely identified who the question is for.

[ThomWV]

8. No

I have no idea what people believe and what they do not. What I said is that it would be near impossible to make the argument that he improved the condition of the people of Cuba - that is because the condition of the people of Cuba has deteriorated since his involvement in the revolution. So if the argument is conditioned upon current state of the people of Cuba then no argument can be made at all, but if someone wanted to make the more or less absurd argument that Che made it better then but it is worse now for reasons other than the revolution and its effects - which he was in part a cause of - well, as I said, "it would be near impossible to do".

As for your other stuff about Saudi - what right does any guest worker have to take over the assets of his or her employer? Does your butler have a right to your candlesticks? Hell no.

[mdmc]

7. ..

How long -
1. as soon as they were big enough, powerful enough to secure a piece of the pie.
2. ditto..

[Boojatta]

9. The question is how long "before it would be justifiable."

Being big and powerful enough "to secure a piece of the pie" is a matter of feasibility. Something could be justifiable before it is feasible or unjustifiable despite being feasible.

[mdmc]

10. justified

ASAP